Witch craft

Granted. I will not bring up your age again. I do, however doubt your statement that you know what you are talking about. You say I have "no right" to cast aspersions on you or anyone else's beliefs. How is that consistent with the viewpoint that you seem to be promoting? You relish your freedom of religion, and therefore you must grant others freedom of speech, yes? What I'm saying is that if you want to come at me and say I'm wrong, go ahead, as long as you back it up with hard facts. However, telling me I "have no right" defeats your own argument. Also, it's completely redundant to point that what I say is my opinion. Also, as far as I'm concerned, I'm not entitled to it because I'm another one of God's children, or American, or whatever rationale states my entitlements. I'm entitled to it because I'm right, it makes sense, and because my views do far less harm than those who disagree with me. Generally, when it comes to important things, I tend to choose my opinions based on what makes sense, not what feels good. My opinion is merely that people who talk about spells, cures, the "power of Mother Nature," God or gods, or anything of that nature as concrete parts of real life are not to be trusted and rarely respected. Hell, one of my best friend is a Christian, and it bothers the hell out of me, but since fighting over a flaw that he isn't going to change about himself will only lead to misery, I overlook it. That's why it's easier to be honest on the Internet-- there's nothing to lose by telling the weak-minded how weak they are. Nothing except valuable time that could be spent on schoolwork or other constructive activities. Gods bless the Internet.

herr logan i dont want to enter in to the arguement, but just state my mind, i don't clame to be wican or a witch or mystical, i believe in chi, or energy, i believe that i can feel the chi and in some ways control it, i would in no way try to "convert" anyone, i am happy to talk about it with anyone and hear their oppinions, now don't try and say that i am miss-guided or weak-minded, cos i am a counsiler at a local college and i am fairly down to earth, but since i found my chi, i have been happier, with myself and my surroundings.

Originally posted by thorncrawler
herr logan i dont want to enter in to the arguement, but just state my mind, i don't clame to be wican or a witch or mystical, i believe in chi, or energy, i believe that i can feel the chi and in some ways control it, i would in no way try to "convert" anyone, i am happy to talk about it with anyone and hear their oppinions, now don't try and say that i am miss-guided or weak-minded, cos i am a counsiler at a local college and i am fairly down to earth, but since i found my chi, i have been happier, with myself and my surroundings.

Wow, I must have spent all my hostility on the other 8 or so posts I just made. I don't feel the need to tear you a new one, yet, thorncrawler. Give me time, I'll recover. 😉

My point of view on chi and so forth is the same as it is for anything that can't be concretely proven. It's not real, but it's real for you. People who believed in it gave it a name, and therefore created it. I have nothing against it, overall. It's how some people choose to look at themselves to get them through this hellhole we call life. It's the same with religion, but the problem lies in that religion has contributed to more horror, cruelty, hatred and bloodshed than any other organized human phenomenon. Chi doesn't hurt anyone, I suppose (except in video games like Tekken).

All I can say is, don't expect me to have much respect or tolerance for this New Age/ancient technique stuff. My fiance, with whom I live, is just this side of being a granola-crunching, sandal-wearing, hackey-sack kicking hippie, and it's hard enough to reign in my cynicism in everyday life at home. I don't have enough tolerance left to show it to people on the Internet who come off like crackpots.

You stated your case well, and I see nothing overtly stupid, harmful or excessively deceitful about what you said, so I've no problem with you.

thank you for accepting me, i feel that like you put it "get them through this hellhole we call life." is exactly why i work with chi, cos life is a b!tch, and i used to be really angry, but im not now!

its good to know tolerance is practiced so well here at KMC...I don't care what people do with their freetime, or what religion they choose to be, but the only thing I ask is for people to actually respect me. You can hate me, love me, hell want to kill me (yes there is an ex out there that is currently under a restraining order for this) but if you want me to respect you then you have to respect me. I am laid back, Ush and yerssot and guys can cover that. After reading your posts Login I will say that I was upset, but if its your thoughts, views and beliefs, so be it. I will not fault you for such.

Originally posted by FireTiger
its good to know tolerance is practiced so well here at KMC...I don't care what people do with their freetime, or what religion they choose to be, but the only thing I ask is for people to actually respect me. You can hate me, love me, hell want to kill me (yes there is an ex out there that is currently under a restraining order for this) but if you want me to respect you then you have to respect me. I am laid back, Ush and yerssot and guys can cover that. After reading your posts Login I will say that I was upset, but if its your thoughts, views and beliefs, so be it. I will not fault you for such.

Real nice. "I will not fault you for such." I get this crap from hardcore pansy-ass Christians, too. That patronizing no-judgment nonsense. I'm not impressed with your vapid, blindly accepting outlook. If you're upset with what I said, it's either because I'm wrong and you don't like that, or I'm right and I hit you where you live. I'd ask you to clarify which is it, but I don't expect you have the insight to admit what some part of your intellect must be telling you, and I don't expect you will even try to present a valid basis for objection if you choose to believe I am wrong.

All that aside, I have a question. What are the circumstances leading to your ex's restraining order? Does it have anything to do with Wicca, or is it just the typical ******* stalker routine? I think it's terrible that this kind of thing happens. Don't feel you have to talk about it if you don't want to. I just can't stand it when people act like predators. I hope you don't have further problems with this guy.

As for the non judging thing...I was brought up that way...not to judge others. My parents raised me thus, nothing to do with my religion. As for the vapid and blind outlook, I have looked over the situation and decided that I rather than continue such an argument, I'd rather find the middle ground, why spend the rest of my life arguing. I could be doing something better, like learning another language.

As for the stalker ex, he has valid reason to want to see me, but I have told him no over and over again. He threatened to kill me is my reasons for not wanting to see him and he has decided since I was carrying his child during our relationship that we should be closer, and together still...Not to be rude, but no man will dictate what I can and cannot do with my life.

That's not rude at all. No man or woman should be able to dictate what you can or can't do, barring criminal restrictions. I hope he doesn't bother you again. However, you should never let your guard down as long as he knows where you are. I'm a criminology and criminal justice major, very interested in this kind of behavior, and I know that the danger of situations like this one should never be underestimated. Good luck to you.

Let me ask you something, Logan...what exactly are your reasons for not believing in a god? There is nothing wrong with that, by no means. I'm simply curious. I study Wicca because I like the things they believe. If there is a god, I like that witches make "him" both male and female. I'm not so sure that it's really possible to cast spells, but who is? I'm not a witch, or a christian, or anything like that. Maybe i'm quasi-agnostic, I don't know. I'm just wondering what happened in your life that made you not want to believe in a god.

Right. It must be a deep-seated trauma that makes me an agnostic, right? That's the only thing that could make me take the position that to worship an imaginary friend and expect others to do the same is lunacy, right? Is this supposed to sound like compassion and understanding? That's an ignorant, naive point of view.

I'm comfortable being honest here because I'm at no risk from anyone who disagrees with me, I'm right, and no one who talks about figments of their imagination as if they were real and had power over the world can possibly prove otherwise. I have, among other things a condition called dysthymia. It's basically depression for your entire life. You know how most people who get depressed have occasional periods of misery and then they're fine afterward? It doesn't work like that for people like me. I've seen plenty of misery in my life, and it never made me choose to not believe in a god. If anything, it made me entertain paranoid ideas about a sadistic God who liked to write my life like some kind of twisted sit-com for his amusement. And just when I was convincing myself to go ahead and off myself, something would come along to attract my attention to keep me around for a while longer. I figured that was God giving me just enough of a break to keep me around for more sadistic fun.

Those are, or were my beliefs on God. The difference between me and the weak-minded, pretentious sheep who claim to worship or know anything about God (or gods) is that I never tell anyone else they should spend time on an imaginary deity. I am more honest and have more integrity than anyone who has ever said to another person "God is like this" or "you must do this for God" or anything like that. I can admit that my beliefs are simply delusions. If you can't, then you're a filthy coward who isn't worth my respect. That's my view of all people who claim that God is real. It's a delusion, because no one can prove it. I have my ideas, and they stay ideas, not gospel.

You understand the difference now? I like that you at least said "If there is a god," and didn't tell me a fairy tale in the form of fact. That means you aren't a filthy coward like the Christians I have encountered. Wiccans aren't even worth calling cowards and liars, because it's almost always a temporary phase in youth. Only crazy people stay Wiccan long-term. These are the people who get hauled into family court and have their children taken away because they are unfit parents. That's a tiny percentage of Wiccans. Most of them are high school girls who don't have a lot of friends or confidence in themselves. I was an outcast, too. You don't see me claiming to "practice magic" or in any way relate to the primal forces of nature to make it all better. That's pretentious nonsense. You respect nature, fine. Don't romanticize it and expect me to care or respect it. Almost every soul on this planet who claims to love nature doesn't really understand it. Nature is beautiful and powerful and it is also dangerous and unforgiving. It is everything you have ever seen in your life and everything you ever will see. the word "nature" describes everything, and therefore nothing. Don't give me that romantic nature nonsense. It's meaningless.
I use my imagination to escape, just like Wiccans, but I don't profess my delusions to be real, like billions of dishonest cowards do.

post to long hurts my eyes 😛

I can completely understand where you are coming from, and I respect your beliefs. I also hate those "holier-than-though" christians who tell others that they have to act a certain way to get in to "heaven". That's the very reason I despise organized religion as well as church in general. What I like about Wicca is that they don't tell you how you're supposed to worship. They don't force you on a belief structure and say "If you don't do this, then you're going to hell". They don't even believe in a hell. And if you are Wiccan, then you also have the right to practice other religions. I think that's a good thing, assuming you want to practice a religion at all. Those are just my feelings. But as I said, I completely understand yours, and by no means am I going to say they are wrong, because they aren't.

i hate people like that too

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and im catholic i dont care about cursing or witchcraft whatever floats your boat

I'm a christian, and witch craft no matter what form is spawned from hell.

You're completely mistaken, berserk. Wiccans don't een believe in hell OR Satan...so how is it spawned from hell?

I don't care what they believe. Thats what i believe. So whats your point? their entitled you their beliefs and I'm entitled to mine. To answer your question; the reason all magic and witch craft is spawned from hell is because it is writen very clearly in the bible, which I believe in.

Berserk, isn't it time for your nap? What a little sheep you are. Everyone get a good look at this guy. He's exactly what is wrong with people who have "faith." Wiccans are just as bad as Christians when it comes to intelligence. At least the old-school Wiccans accidentally came up with a lot of medicine. They may be stupid, but at least the hardcore ones don't try to convert people and tell them which unholy dimension they'll spend the rest of their life. And real Wiccans do not call themselves "witches." I'm not defending Wiccans, because they are stupid, just like all religious people, but there is a distinction. It's a way to tell the real loonies from the fad-chasing teenagers.
You Christians need to grow up. It's a book. It was written by mortal men. Don't expect anyone with half a brain to take you seriously when your best argument is "because it was written in the Bible." Moron.

logan, I really feel sorry for you. are you so angry that you resort to isulting my inteligence? thats pretty pathetic, and just so you know I have a doctorate in history so I am not a "moron".

"They may be stupid, but at least the hardcore ones don't try to convert people and tell them which unholy dimension they'll spend the rest of their life" can't really spend the rest of your life somewhere if your dead can you?

at what point in my post did I try to convert anyone? I simply stated my opinion on the topic and my faith. it's really sad to get angry over a internet forum, and it's pretty pathetic and weak to insult someone in one as well. coward

Originally posted by berserk

it's really sad to get angry over a internet forum, and it's pretty pathetic and weak to insult someone in one as well. coward

not trying to be an ass or anything, just pointing out that you may want to practice what you preach.

Originally posted by berserk
logan, I really feel sorry for you. are you so angry that you resort to isulting my inteligence? thats pretty pathetic, and just so you know I have a doctorate in history so I am not a "moron".

"They may be stupid, but at least the hardcore ones don't try to convert people and tell them which unholy dimension they'll spend the rest of their life" can't really spend the rest of your life somewhere if your dead can you?

at what point in my post did I try to convert anyone? I simply stated my opinion on the topic and my faith. it's really sad to get angry over a internet forum, and it's pretty pathetic and weak to insult someone in one as well. coward

"Resort" to insulting your intelligence? I was born insulting your intelligence, churchy. You and every other brainwashed sheep who can't think for themselves. You're nothing but a slave, and it means nothing that you feel sorry for me when you aren't even sorry for your own failure as a human being. Human beings are quite a magnificent animal, imbued with the potential to create beautiful and horrible things. Most of us are able to use 10% of this brain, but you don't even do that much, do you? A doctorate, eh? Well, that sure shows me what's what. I'll tell you, if I was a hard worker, I could be working on my doctorate, too, or a law degree or something. Congratulations, you've proven you have enough smarts to jump through hoops in graduate school like a dolphin. Now try proving that you're smart enough to use your mind and not some antiquated piece of slavery-promoting propaganda. Your mind is enslaved, and you deserve it, because you allowed it to happen and you haven't broken free in the amount of years it takes to grow up and get a doctorate. Honestly, I figured you were a pre-teen or something when I saw your post, but apparently, you're three years older than I am. I'll remember that next time I feel insecure about how much I should have accomplished in my life thus far. I'll always know I use my own mind, free of religious deceit, and at least I'm not a 25-year old Sunday-school slave. Have a blessed Sunday, and may your wool keep you warm. Sheep.