Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
While Lucas doesn't necessarily "owe" anyone anything, he knows full well that legions of kids grew up on his movies, and this marks the 2nd time that he has made changes to the original movies, which some feel were flawless to begin with. He went against the wishes of the people that made him a billionaire, and added them anyway, although the movie was fine the way it was.I can understand touching up the picture thanks to modern technology, but to disrespect Sebastian Shaw, by replacing his Jedi Spirit with Anakin is unacceptable, not to mention disrespectful.
Lucas is indeed evil, and has a reputation for caring less about his fans over the years, and more about lining his pockets. If this weren't true, why is it he'll claim that "the originals do not exist", he refuses to release the original movies on DVD unaltered, and it's only 4 disc set, where is there is a 9 disc "Alien" Quadrilogy. He's a horrible director, a horrible writer, and a miserable overall human being with no regard for those who put him where he is.
Mark Hamill said it best..
"You are surrounded by an army of sycophants who say that, even when you blow your nose, you are brilliant."
Yeah, he's a horrible director, that's why he's made A New Hope, THX, American Grafitti(Sp?) and helped direct Indiana Jones. It's not disrespecting Shaw, he did it because in the story arc, Anakin's ghost would be from when he died after the fight with Obi wan, that's when Anakin died, and Darth Vader was born. So they have the Jedi ghost from when he was actually a jedi, and not a sith, it makes no sense to have a sith jedi ghost, which was what Shaw was. Also he does not make these changes to piss people off, he does because he thinks it makes the films better and more complete. How many people piss and moan that Peter Jackson released Extended versions of all the LOTR movies. The originals were excellent, why did he have to change them? It's pathetic how people set such double standards. Or how about many other movies that have changes from the theatrical versions to the dvd versions, or how about Tolkein who went back to change the Hobbit so it matched what was said in the LOTR books? They are all the same thing as what Lucas is doing.
Originally posted by cal31
[B]Yeah, he's a horrible director, that's why he's made A New Hope, THX, American Grafitti(Sp?) and helped direct Indiana Jones.
Are those supposed to be representive of the quality of his directing? "THX-1138" is a highly overrated college Sci Fi project, and Lucas only directed "American Graffiti", which wasn't much of an accomplishment to be honest. I'm not a fan of "Indiana Jones", personally, and feel it's a boring franchise.
Keep in mind he also wrote "Captain E.O." with Michael Jackson, "Willow", and "More American Graffiti", in addition to alot of the "Young Indiana Jones" episodes, which were subsequently cancelled, regardless of the name sake. Not to mention the pathetically scripted new Star Wars movies, and his hand in "Howard the Duck".
It's not disrespecting Shaw, he did it because in the story arc, Anakin's ghost would be from when he died after the fight with Obi wan, that's when Anakin died, and Darth Vader was born. So they have the Jedi ghost from when he was actually a jedi, and not a sith, it makes no sense to have a sith jedi ghost, which was what Shaw was.
Shaw was in Jedi robes at the end of ROTJ, wasn't he? How could he overlook such a huge foul up in the 3rd movie of a franchise?
Also he does not make these changes to piss people off, he does because he thinks it makes the films better and more complete.
Well, he has thought wrong, considering the backlash he's recieved, and subsequently ignored.
How many people piss and moan that Peter Jackson released Extended versions of all the LOTR movies. The originals were excellent, why did he have to change them?
The Extended Editions were made to include more of the book, for those who read the 1,000 page novel, and wanted a more complete story. The mainstream movie goer wouldn't normally sit in a theatre for a 4 hour movie, so with the LOTR movies, save ROTK, clocking at right at 2 1/2 hours, these were released for fans of the book. That said, I am not aware of anyone complaining about the E.E.'s, as most everyone who bought the 1st DVD were ade aware of an extended version available later.
It's pathetic how people set such double standards. Or how about many other movies that have changes from the theatrical versions to the dvd versions, or how about Tolkein who went back to change the Hobbit so it matched what was said in the LOTR books? They are all the same thing as what Lucas is doing.
The movies do not change, as nothing is omitted, only added, and are marked accordingly. When things are omitted, edited, or reworked, those are usually Director's Cuts. Lucas would call the "OT" he is about to release his "Director's Cut", but the difference is that this marks the 3rd time they have been altered, and new footage is added which was produced over 20 years after the movie was already completed.
What he's doing is ignoring the people who made him who he is, and furthur sticking his pompous ass in those peoples faces, making it either "his way" or no way at all.
Keep this thread in mind when Episode 3 is out, and you see all those Star Wars toothbrushes, socks, baby toys, snack crackers and all the other shit his fans don't want or ever asked for in lieu of the movies we grew up with, and not his raped and bastardized "grand vision".
If you don't think THX, Indiana Jones, or American Grafitti are good films, then I can see why you don't think he is a good director. But to other people, they have gotten great reviews and are widely regarded as very good films.
It is his films or no way at all. He did not make these films to please the public in the first place. He even stated this himself, he made them because at that time there were no movies coming out that he would want to see, so he decided to make them himself for himself. It's not that he changed his mind, he's always made these films for himself and his children, as he has always stated. It's his story and he can change it to how he wants it to go. It's just like if you were to write a story when you are say, 14 years old. Then, 30 years later you go back and say, boy I made some dumb mistakes, then you go and change them to fit how you want it to. Again it's the same thing Lucas is doing, only his story many many people liked and wasn't a private story. As he also said, how could he make the films trying to keep the public happy? If he kept the old films the way they were, some people would complain saying the special effects are outdated and look fake, or like many many people have said, the Emeror in ESB looks nothing like the one in Return of the Jedi. If he does change them, then the purists are upset saying the films were perfect, nothing needed to be changed, he ruined the films. So as you can see it's a lose lose situation, so all he can do is make the flims how he wants them, if you don't like em', watch your laserdiscs or vhs, if you do like them, more power to you.
Guess I should clarify that my beef is with the 1997 Special Editions. I've viewed the changes on the DVD set, and have since warmed up to them.
However..
watch your laserdiscs or vhs, if you do like them, more power to you.
Fans of the original movies shouldn't have to resort to obsolete mediums of the movie if they want the original movies. It would just be nice if he'd stop lying and use the original negatives he used for the 2004 DVD to release the real original trilogy, which will probably happen once Episodes 7,8, and 9 are done, when the big 16 disc set is released.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Guess I should clarify that my beef is with the 1997 Special Editions. I've viewed the changes on the DVD set, and have since warmed up to them.However..
Fans of the original movies shouldn't have to resort to obsolete mediums of the movie if they want the original movies. It would just be nice if he'd stop lying and use the original negatives he used for the 2004 DVD to release the real original trilogy, which will probably happen once Episodes 7,8, and 9 are done, when the big 16 disc set is released.
Yeah, I see where you're coming from saying he should release both versions and people who don't like them shouldn't have to watch the movies on out of date tapes. But I like that he is making it one trilogy, not two where there is one group of an updated version and one where nothing is changed, he's just making one ultimate version.
Originally posted by BackFire
I think it's really stupid putting Hayden Christiansen in there instead of the old man who was originally in there. That's so tacky. Lucas needs to stop screwing with shit and leave his movies alone.
Ok that's fine you hate it, but he did it to better fit the story arc of Star Wars, which it does.
No, it does not.
If you watch Return of the Jedi, at the end with all of the spirits standing around, you'll notice that they are all old. Obi Won's spirit still looks like the old man from the original, yoda still looks old and puppet like, it doesn't fit in for Anakin to be the only one who in spirit form looks young.
What next, when Luke takes of Darths mask, will they digitize Christiansens face over the old mans?
Originally posted by BackFire
No, it does not.If you watch Return of the Jedi, at the end with all of the spirits standing around, you'll notice that they are all old. Obi Won's spirit still looks like the old man from the original, yoda still looks old and puppet like, it doesn't fit in for Anakin to be the only one who in spirit form looks young.
What next, when Luke takes of Darths mask, will they digitize Christiansens face over the old mans?
The reason Obi wan and Yoda are old as their ghosts is because they died as jedi when they were old. When we see Vader die in Return of the Jedi, that is Vader dieing, not Anakin. Anakin died after the fight with Obi Wan when he fell into the lava, that is when Anakin ceased to exist and Vader was born. So because Anakin died when he was young, that's when they show his ghost from, not when he was Vader. So yes it does fit, you just have to understand why.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
which will probably happen once Episodes 7,8, and 9
How many effing times...there's not going to be Eps. 7, 8, or 9.
I don't agree with GL putting Hayden in the end of ROTJ...and the explanation of it being Vader dying, not Anakin, is (in my opinion) bull, because just before he dies, he turns back to the light side. Meaning he WAS Anakin when he died.