The Passion of Christ

The 1st?!😑

Originally posted by Kes
The 1st?!😑

:: Joins Kes in disbelief :: 😑 😑

well the first rated R Christian movie, sorry i should have explained it better 😄

hey the pope liked it so its got to be good! 😇

its kind of funny that mel gibson is a born again christian, jsut look at the lethel weapon serie. hahah but a good man he is!

Originally posted by botankus
It will be a powerful movie for several reasons, depending on who you are and your beliefs.

If you are an atheist, you will probably treat this movie as a fictitious, yet brutal, story nicely conceived and presented to the screen by Gibson.

Originally posted by The Force
well the first rated R Christian movie, sorry i should have explained it better 😄

While it may be the first "hardcore" R-rated Christian movie in terms of graphic violence, it is not the first R-rated Christian movie.

The Last Temptation of Christ is an R-rated Christian-related movie, though it was not endorsed by Christians as a whole.

Or maybe you mean 1st R-rated pro-Christian??

Originally posted by botankus
While it may be the first "hardcore" R-rated Christian movie in terms of graphic violence, it is not the first R-rated Christian movie.

The Last Temptation of Christ is an R-rated Christian-related movie, though it was not endorsed by Christians as a whole.

Or maybe you mean 1st R-rated pro-Christian??

actually i meant it was the first R rated Christian movie that i had heard of.

i think that it's interesting how everyone is up in arms about the movie's possible anti-semetic message. i've been snooping around on different "passion" related websites and i found something super cool. (i don't think i can post the site b/c i'm still so new here, but if you want the address you can e-mail me at [email protected])

anyways, this website lists ten reasons why Mel Gibsons movie ISN'T anti-semetic.

1] Respected Jewish authorities who are not part of the ADL have pointed out the hypocrisy of the ADL’s position.

2] Respected Christian leaders like Billy Graham, James Dobson, Charles Colson, Cardinal Francis George and many, many more who are supportive of the Jewish people are unanimous in their praise of the film.

3] The involvement of the Jewish Pharisees in the plot to have Jesus killed is a biblical fact.

4] This biblical fact is verified by the Jewish Talmudic writings as pointed out by noted Jewish author and historian David Klinghofer.

5] Showing the involvement of Jews in a first century event should have no bearing on treatment of Jews in the 21st century.

6] People seeing this film will not be motivated to hate the Jews since Jesus, while on the cross, said "forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing."

7] In one of the flashbacks of the film, Mel Gibson shows Jesus teaching his followers to love their enemies.

8] The blame for the death of Jesus is not placed on the Jews alone. In fact, Gibson skillfully shows the involvement of Satan, Judas, Peter, the Romans, God the Father, and you and me and the sins of the whole world.

9] The film shows that no one took Jesus' life from Him, but He freely gave it up for you and me and the whole world, including His chosen people, the Jews.

10] This movie does not inspire hatred, but love, appreciation and thankfulness

TruthMedia>a biblical fact.

isnt that a contradiction in terms?

my name aside, i still think those are pretty good points. what do you think mook?

Originally posted by TruthMedia
my name aside, i still think those are pretty good points. what do you think mook?

i wasnt talking about your name i was talking about the concept of the bible being fact...

but yes you make some good points.

well i know for a fact that this is biblical fact, but if you do not believe that the Bible is true, then that's just what you believe, it doesn't affect if it is true or not, but since i am a Christian I find it to be true 👆

Originally posted by The Force
well i know for a fact that this is biblical fact, but if you do not believe that the Bible is true, then that's just what you believe, it doesn't affect if it is true or not, but since i am a Christian I find it to be true 👆

i respect that but you cant say anything in the bible is 'fact' as religion relies on faith - believing something because of what you feel not by any proof.
if it was fact then everyone would be christian as the bible would be a factual document.

Originally posted by mook
if it was fact then everyone would be christian as the bible would be a factual document.

If that were true then everybody would be patriotic because of the constitution but we know that isn't the case.

Originally posted by botankus
If that were true then everybody would be patriotic because of the constitution but we know that isn't the case.

your constitution is irrelevant to a discussion on the validity of a holy text.

OOPS, forgot you lived in Europe.

Getting back to the point, discussions like these go nowhere because of the inability of any faith vs. fact argument to change anyone’s beliefs or even get anyone’s point to be taken seriously by others.

Originally posted by botankus
OOPS, forgot you lived in Europe.

Getting back to the point, discussions like these go nowhere because of the inability of any faith vs. fact argument to change anyone’s beliefs or even get anyone’s point to be taken seriously by others.

not really - im saying that the bible can never be true 'fact'.

this is why people have to have faith to believe it.

the reason its rated R is because of all the realism in it of violence towards christians lots of fighting i believe

Originally posted by mook
not really - im saying that the bible can never be true 'fact'.

this is why people have to have faith to believe it.

then only reason ppl have faith that the Bible is true is because God talks to us (Christians), and we can talk to him. It's the truth, i've done it. I can tell you about experiences if you would like to know

Ppl dont turn this into a religious thread. That topic is not allowed.
Lets stick to the movie.