RP General Discussion

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
That does seem consistant though. The implication seems to be that being very proficient with the force requires careful study and meditation, and that doesn't seem to fit the idea of the renegade in general. To be a renegade you need to somehow be impatient or unsatisfied with the limitations of the council.

Ehh, I don't really agree with that, though; it's possible to be dedicated to study and meditation but still disagree with the Council or feel that they aren't doing enough.

So, question, Ush... my girlfriend set up a Heretic template, but obviously that's unavailable. Could she play any template and just make it a non-Jedi one by taking the Uncivilized Merit?

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
That does seem consistant though. The implication seems to be that being very proficient with the force requires careful study and meditation, and that doesn't seem to fit the idea of the renegade in general. To be a renegade you need to somehow be impatient or unsatisfied with the limitations of the council.

Originally posted by REXXXX
So, question, Ush... my girlfriend set up a Heretic template, but obviously that's unavailable. Could she play any template and just make it a non-Jedi one by taking the Uncivilized Merit?

Why she can`t take Cultist, it is very similiar to Heretic?

She could. She was limited to just that before so things have opened up more.

Any new joins would have to use the new templates if we adopt them. 'Uncivilised' does not turn any template into a Dark Side equivalent.

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Meanwhile, I am agreeing to de-restrict Seduction, though in some cases I may require justification.

Meanwhile, no forcey-Renegade is a stylistic issue. There's no real thematic gap for a Renegade there (nor was there any significant demand).

Qui-Gon gave us the Ronin. If Yoda had been a Renegade it might be different.

You have to move away from the idea of 'Renegade version of...' and leaving at that. That is 100% what I was trying to get away from- creating templates just because they could be imagined in a rules-mechanic sense. The Ronin is 'Jedi without a Master' and the Freelancer is 'Jedi Mercenary', and I can tie them together with the same social penalty, but beyond that the themes run dry. We only think about there being equivalents of each type as that is how I had set it up before.

You can conceive of 'Jedi who wanted to go and study stuff away from the Council', but where the theme fails is them taking up a lightsabre and going out and fighting things. Scholars are part of a police force, but Renegades need to be self-motivated to get into these insanely dangerous stories and their desire for action is what covers it. So whilst that template would have a broader skill set, it would have fewer force powers, fewer fighting powers, and wouldn't really be interested in getting involved in the plotline. I was really bending to create the backstories for Wanderer and Seeker and was never happy with them.

(This is also why we don't see where Ascar learned from- because it would be, fundamentally, extremely dull.)

That being so, having Renegades not as a mirroring of the Jedi structure but instead as a way of creating distinctive Light Side characters- in the way the Brute and Corsair are distinct Dark Side ones- works much better, thematically.

Originally posted by Lord Melkor
Maybe there could be a merit to turn a Scholar or Athlete into Renegade?

Related to the above, most certainly not.

I think Rex meant any Dark Side template being able to have never been a Jedi.

And I can understand that.

Originally posted by Peach
Ehh, I don't really agree with that, though; it's possible to be dedicated to study and meditation but still disagree with the Council or feel that they aren't doing enough.

Our take on the Renegades has always been- more combat experienced, less good with the Force. Tpt is right that a Renegade's issues restrict them. We would be wary of the idea that you can learn the Force just as well without the Temple; that might undermine of the whole point of the Order.

Originally posted by Bespin Bart
I think Rex meant any Dark Side template being able to have never been a Jedi.

And I can understand that.

Well no Dark Side template is ever an ex-Jedi by default; it's not in the descriptions. You don't need Uncivilised for that.

I'm certainly not complaining. Xeth needs more badasses than he needs thoughtful types on his team. As Kovanis showed.

So you could technically even be a Bane and never be a Jedi? Interesting way to change that... I like it.

Indeed yes- the Bane is a Dark Sider who survived, is all.

Saying you are ex-Jedi is a good way to explain it so the Bane is a good choice for a Dark Jedi, as is the Marauder. But one of the whole points of the change here was there being not having half the Dark Side templates be mandatory Dark Jedi, which forced the pace there.

Some templates expressly can NOT be ex-Jedi, like Bane, Corsair or Orphan. And obviously Outcast.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Any new joins would have to use the new templates if we adopt them. 'Uncivilised' does not turn any template into a Dark Side equivalent.

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Meanwhile, I am agreeing to de-restrict Seduction, though in some cases I may require justification.

Woo hoo! Get in!!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Our take on the Renegades has always been- more combat experienced, less good with the Force. Tpt is right that a Renegade's issues restrict them. We would be wary of the idea that you can learn the Force just as well without the Temple; that might undermine of the whole point of the Order.

Doesn't that rather contradict the fact that you dislike how many of us Darkies are former Jedi and that many of the Dark Side templates are indeed quite good with the Force, though?

Originally posted by Ushgarak

Meanwhile, I am agreeing to de-restrict Seduction, though in some cases I may require justification.

Originally posted by Newjak
Hmm I may have to rethink Xavier's xp spending cause if he went ahead and changed it around he could get Seduction 5 in one go 😛

😂

No 😛

Buy it next time 😊

Besides, good luck justifying that in the first place 😄

Originally posted by Peach
Doesn't that rather contradict the fact that you dislike how many of us Darkies are former Jedi and that many of the Dark Side templates are indeed quite good with the Force, though?

Dark Side is quicker and easier though.

Originally posted by Peach
😂

No 😛

Buy it next time 😊

Besides, good luck justifying that in the first place 😄

And I'll just say Xavier learned from Rianna how to seduce women by asking her a bunch of questions about women! 😄

Originally posted by Newjak
Haha but I want to seduce the Seer dang it 😛

And I'll just say Xavier learned from Rianna how to seduce women by asking her a bunch of questions about women! 😄

Somehow I don't see that working out as planned 😛