there is a lot of garbage out there regarding the tx being a better terminator than t-1000. we have to base the capabiliites of each unit based on what we have seen in the movies. Most people make the conncetion that since the tx is an advance model that it is more advance thaan t-1000, there is no proof of that. The t-1000 was also more advance than arnie...destroying eithr was unlikely. Notice the t-100 was not mentioned in t3? There must be a multi pronged approach to which is a superior terminator. The purpose of a terminator is to infiltrate with the purpose to terminate. Tx is a terminator so this is her function as well. T-1000 is the best infiltrator. It can blend into many more situations ans desquise itself in more ways. It appeared to actually "better" duplicate the mannerisms of the being it created, tx apperaed to only copy the apperance, the mannerisms were more bizzare. advantage t-1000. The tx is "supposed to be more intelligent than the other terms, but i don't see where it was more intellgent nor was it said that it was more intelligent that the t-1000. As far as we have seen in the movies, the cyborgs have equal intelligence if we view ther actions..as a matter of fact, the only cyborg to outsmart another cyborg was the t-800 in t2. I have explained this in another post. So far intellgence is about equal. Speed the tx is supposed to be very fast..no proff it is faster than t-1000. t-100 is also fast and also chased a car on foot. This business about cutting through metal is nonsense and t-1000 coul esily from a steel rod and pierce either thee tx's skull or power cell. the t-1000 from his capabilities is a nano machine with no cpu, thus the tx would have to reprogram EVERY portion of the t-1000 and as said earilier, it' didn't work completely with the t-800. the tx was thrown around easier by arnie than the t-1000 was. Strength, they seem to try to convey the tx was strongest, but it was kinda back and forth, arnold certainly threw her around as much as she threw him around. As far as battel quckness, t-1000 was rarely faster than t-800 neither was tx, so strength and speed from the movies seem equal. As far as ability to be destroyed, the outcome of t1 and t2 and t3 would have killed tx, but t-1000 could not have been killed like tx in t3 not like t-800 in t1, t-1000 is simply harder to kill. In addition we would have to assum,e that the battle would be in an emply room. in relity there are wapons to accquire and both holding weapons, the tx and t-1000 would be equally armed. Dvantage t-1000. The disply of the t-1000 has not been shown, so we don't know what his ability to scan is, but i'm sure it doesn't have dna. The idea that the t-1000 coudn't detect tx is nonsense, althiugh it copies clithing, it is metal and thus would be detected, az arnold can be detected by t-1000 even with skin. An if we assume this to be becasue they were downloaded with enemy info, there would be non need to scan, they would be aware of the enemy by apperance. So that argument is nonsense. The tx' advantage from what the movies show it the dna. The weapons...suppossin the flamethrower would last forever, i doubt the t-100 would just stand there. It would likely morpsh out of the way and can dodge and liley from into the floor and escape the tx or more likely form a rod and stab her. If the plasma weapon immobolized arnie, it could immobilize a tx and a t-1000, assuming it is a true plasma weapon. ANd the weapons are not infallable, they could likely be jammed or detroyed by arnie or t-1000 or an accident, so the little advantage it might have is minimized and outweighed by the disadvantages. If tx were in t2, it would have been eliminated sooner.
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tx isn't really faster, smarter, more agile, is easier to kill, couldn't easliy program the t-1000 and was likey not to be able to do so and would need more than 15 second to reprogram such an advanced machine. It is easier to kill, struggled more with arnie, wade more tactical errors, cannot infiltrate better with the only advantage that with it's weapons it coul kill humans in greater numbers. so far the t-1000 has the advantage and it hasn't been proven to be any stronger. The argument that the tx is superior has yet to be determined. Unitl it is, t-1000 is the better terminator
No, i honestly think 1
mostow, if he'd let go of his pride could have done better
2 did pretty good considering he was taking over
3could have done better considering he's a fan and if i notice something wrong, he should have
3.he could not have done THAT much better because his talent nor his fil sucess are on par with camerons
4. I just think that although i give mostow credit, he could have done better, he was limited by his talent adn also limited by his willfull decisions. Also the scropt sucked and he had limited control on that. it was written befor he was picked. The script sucked.
Everybody here has excellent points, but yes t1 is the freakin best of the three(i'm glad tha people are starting to realized that) and that t2 is only good as it iw the scraps that they removed from t1.
James Cameron DIDNT want to to t2, he wanted to stop at t1. the ending was wrapped up well as was t2, allowing a sequel, but not leaving you scratching your head. the first two left you wanting for more of what you just saw, not"that can't be it.. thwy can'e end it like that the next better continue casue they need to explain this"THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. t1 and t2 left you wanted a sequel becasue f what was in it not what was NOT in it. T3 made me mad for what was NOT in it. I'm a fan and I anticipated this movies and wanted it so long, but was dissappointed. Beyand the cast, the timing and music lacked. The 'feel was missing and it went beyond the cast. Overall i dont' care who does a film as long as it is independent, yet true to the series, not one OR the other. Someone here finally sees my point. T2 did good in box offices becuse they wer fans of t1, t3 did well beacuse they were fans of t1 and t2..the hadn't seen t3 yet!! t1 earned it's stripes as a budget fil that suprise eveybody, with no coattails to ride on.. it's own merits. So the box office alon does not tell a good movie.. ther is more to it that that. And i agree that emotion or strain has no place ina terminator, but that includes"i know now why you cry"buklshit and the t-1000 scraming when getting shot and then more so when falling in the molten steel. or looking surprised when getting shot and when getting frozen. that was stupid.. even in t2 that';s what i mean. t1 was so seamless and t2 was too, but had problems, but the story and special effects technology saved it but t3 need more that better special effects and being differeent only for the sake of being different. The quality just wasn't there. T1 and t2 had the better endings and t2 ended good.
yeah thats what i feel about mostow as well, its not that just cause he took over we dont like him kinda thing, its the attention for details which i felt was the lack thereof, as far as the script i wasnt sure if it came out before a director was chosen or after, but that definatly wasnt a good script. In t3 i remeber one scene, the tx licks johns bandage to get a dna sample, only animals use thier toungue to taste so that the brain may process it etc, why would an advance machine need to lick it, by touching it cant it have processed the same sample etc, what next ...the terminators can pee too?? Arnie told john too based on pupil diliation etc he wouldnt commit suicede...that is how i felt a terminator would process certain things, ..so thats one scene i didnt like.
ok about the i know why u cry thing, when i saw t2 again later i on i also realised the same thing, that was stupid in a sense, but i know it was added to make the t800 more human of a character. But i didnt like it frnakly but it wasnt that bad i let it go. When the t1000 was shot and looked surprised, i understand..a machine should have a human facial expression like that but a partial surprise like unable to compute i think would be ok unlike in t3 remeber when arnie puts the hydrogen cell in the tx;s mouth and its facial expression changes as if its gonna cry!!!???What is this story for 2 year olds???See in T1 arnie as the terminator had only one serious expression from the start, till the end he looked evil there was no surprise expression or happy expression terminator! So yes t1 awesome, t2 falls 2nd, t3 hmmm...not so good. t4...i hope ..is awesome.
i agree, but frankly the terminators are aawar of thier limiteations, as expressed my arnold in t2 and in t3 he's arae of t1000 and tx capability and so they must be aware. T100 looke an the molten steel before he fell in it it it's jsut they put thier own safety second to the mission uless it can compromise the mission. i'm sure t1000 knew it's own limitations as well as arnies but never had to make achoice except when face with completeing the mission v.s self preservation. that is why it will not stop unitl yhe subject is deadl casue self preservation is not first. I i think the surprise look was stiull dumb. I understand looking more human, but that should be when blending in, and pretending, not ACTUAL EMOTION OR SURPRISE. the surprise look was not necessary nor was t2 screaming at th3 end. t-100 had no expression until he was talking to humans that were not targets.
don't know if it's been said or I am too late but in Terminator 2 special edition we see T-1000 malfunctioning, his mimetic aptitudes get uncontrollable when he reassembles himself in the factory.
A continued attack from T-X would end up destroying him besides T-X regenerates faster.
Is stronger than T-1000, Arnie and Patrick had almost the same strenght (ok T-1000 was A Little stronger) while T-X pushes arnie and sends him to the other side of the room and arnie's attacks seems to have no effect on her.
I liked more Terminator 2 than Terminator 3. And before seeing it I thought it was impossible to do a "better" enemy but I was wrong T-X is much better than T-1000.
i think a lot of us see the tx as the sucession to the t-1000 although its possible it may not be probable. The TX had an eksosletal structure just like a t 800, however the t800 had human skin grown for its outer covering, the tx went one steop furthur had a polymer covering to mimic skin, yes it still had moving parts, the t1000 had no moving parts was complelte made up of polymer it could blend into the floor for petes sake. Eventhough the t1000 did have malfunctions it was dude to the freezing scene and arnie shooting at its frozen form into all those pieces,
however if arnie crashed on it with a chopper would it have crawled out ripping its legs of like the tx? No it would simplly melt down to its liquid form and come out thru a crack. Yet the tx had its lower torso ripped and had to crawl. I still dont like the idea that the tx came back with weapons cause if the tx came back with a plasma blaster small enuff to fit a hand and the t850 was modified why not add a small plastma blaster in it as well...rip it open and put one in there right? But in t3 the premise of cant bring weapons back has just changed as an when they felt like it i guess.
the tx regenerates faster i would think because only its outter "skin" needs to be processed for changing, the t1000 however is all liquid every other inner mechanics if i may use that term needs to be processed along with the outter skin. The tx is still has a robotic structure underneath just like the t800, the structure is obviousoly more solid and advance than arnie's i would think he had little effect on her. However what ever has a skeleton can be broken, this is where the t1000 reigns superior, you can break it had it not been the fact that in t2 they crashed into the metal smelting plant, we wouldnt have seen it malfunction let alone be destroyed. However the tx was already badly damaged just by a huge accident, ie the chopper landing on her. I somehow doubt the hydrogen cell explosion would have totally stopped the t1000, i think it may still have been functional after that. Explosions and physical attacks never seemed to affect it at all right?
Originally posted by Viw
don't know if it's been said or I am too late but in Terminator 2 special edition we see T-1000 malfunctioning, his mimetic aptitudes get uncontrollable when he reassembles himself in the factory.
A continued attack from T-X would end up destroying him besides T-X regenerates faster.
Is stronger than T-1000, Arnie and Patrick had almost the same strenght (ok T-1000 was A Little stronger) while T-X pushes arnie and sends him to the other side of the room and arnie's attacks seems to have no effect on her.I liked more Terminator 2 than Terminator 3. And before seeing it I thought it was impossible to do a "better" enemy but I was wrong T-X is much better than T-1000.
don't know if it's been said or I am too late but in Terminator 2 special edition we see T-1000 malfunctioning, his mimetic aptitudes get uncontrollable when he reassembles himself in the factory.
A continued attack from T-X would end up destroying him besides T-X regenerates faster.
Is stronger than T-1000, Arnie and Patrick had almost the same strenght (ok T-1000 was A Little stronger) while T-X pushes arnie and sends him to the other side of the room and arnie's attacks seems to have no effect on her.
I liked more Terminator 2 than Terminator 3. And before seeing it I thought it was impossible to do a "better" enemy but I was wrong T-X is much better than T-1000.
these are silly arguments because the t-100 morphs quickly in battle when it encounter's damage it only morphs slowly when doing a complete metamorphasis. and c'mon if the tx was ffrozen solid she has the mimetic polyalloy skin it would malfunction too and if it was dropped in molten metal, it would melt too and t-1000 is not stronger than arnie and it would defy physics anyway, but t-1000 is quicker. arnie's body slams looke like they did damage to tx and he managed to hold her back with one arm preventing her from pulling away with both arms, so ther is no evidence that she is any stronger. an c'mon we know that if t-1000 kit arnie in the neck with his head over the edge of a aslab he would have knocked arnies head off too, if anothet t-800 hit arnie in the head it would have knocked his head off if arnie had her head in that position he would have knocked her head off like that. he body slammed her like a rag doll and t-1000 faird better against arnold than tx did, and lik i said if tx had her arm caught in a gear like arinie, it would have been torn off the same way. T-1000 has non of the limitations that t800 or t-1000 has..advantage again t-1000. and from the movies, she was the stupidest of the cyborgs that is based on what she did.
good point. is the scene were the t1000 malfuctions is that on the most recent dvd the one with the metal case and endoskeletan on the cover?
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Do some of the people around here know anything about liquid nitrogen and flame throwers?
If the T-X was to get frozen in liquid nitrogen, it would not survive, and its fuel for the flamethrower would run out eventually (and not affect the T-1000 at all). And she is the DUMBEST terminator yet. When she lost her legs, why didnt she use her minmetic polyalloy to morph a pair of legs rather than an angry face?
yeah the tx was really a bad terminator compared to the other 2. i think her polyallow morphing technology is only capable to be used on her outter layer ie apperance and not to morph any harder strucutre etc like legs unlike the t1000 as i said is definatly more surperior cause of that ability. When she changes to that angry then sad face..i thought it was so stupid.
Originally posted by dulobast25
yeah, to my eyes that was pur genius...to my mind that was the corniest things ive seen in a terminator film other than licking dna and talking to the hand
heh actually as far as blending in etc that scene wasnt to bad, actually it was fine but that licking the dna with her tongue thing was stupid...really dumb.