Godzilla vs The Hulk

Telling me not to assume and then going on to assume I'm offended isn't the best way to go. Those comments were posted in an open forum of which I've been an able participant. I have as much right to reply as you have, and did, when I was debating previously.

" And as far as Godzilla's strength is concerned,,,,,well we don't actually know that he doesn't get stronger do we? It's not like anyone's asked him, not that he can mono- about it for several panals but nontheless. What do we know?......"

Yeah it's perfectly credible for you to assume he has the potential to destroy a planet just because he hasn't done it. Rather illogical. He has never gave any proof to show that he does get stronger with rage, nor do any of his powers or attributes suggest it. You are assuming that Godzilla CAN get stronger with rage and that he CAN destroy a planet PURELY based on the fact that he hasn't failed to do so.

If we're judging on what he can prove he CAN do (which is the logical way), then he cannot destroy a planet and he does not grow stronger with rage. He hasn't gave you, I or anyone else reason to believe so. IRTMU said "He got pissed, ran in his mouth and blasted him apart." So? All the anger served was that he got amped enough to ran into his mouth and blast. Blast just as he has always blasted.

You are making assumptions in all the WRONG places and your arguement is weaker for it. Until Godzilla proves he grows stronger with rage or is capable of destroying a planet, there is absolutely no reason to assume he can.

Are you gonna continue to say he had the potential to do things without even proving it? I haven't proven to anyone that I can lift a car. Assuming that I could, just because I haven't shown that I can't, would be stupid wouldn't it? That's what you are doing.

My question once more: Have you seen the movie in which he uses the "Nuclear" shockwave that IRTMU claims he has, with nothing more than bad translation and one picture? Or are you trusting him?

"Godzilla vs. monster who's beating Godzilla+ Godzilla starts getting pissed off = Godzilla either rips/pounds/or blasts the monster into a state of FUBAR.
Sounds perfectly rational to say that godzilla gets stronger, he definitely gets more powerful at least, I mean you only have to see G2K to know that, the whole glowing Godzilla thing was pretty freakin impressive."

If I'm wrestling with someone and they are annoying me, I get pissed and over power them. The reason isn't because I get stronger, it's because I am more motivated to apply what I already have to the fight. Just like Godzilla does. Godzilla, when pissed, doesn't perform any feats he couldn't do before he was pissed. He just puts out more of what he already has.

There is no increase in strength, just increase in application. Lets understand this.

-AC

Well spoken. But seriously Alpha, I can fly, I've never done it but that's only 'cause I don't want to. Anyway, you've never seen me fail at it so you can't prove i can't.

Did someone flunk philosophy? Just curious.

The one thing I'm majorly curious about is this "nuclear" shockwave following.

IRTMU claims he has the ability to send out a nuclear shockwave and then posted a single pic of it, mid action.

Now, alot of people believed this would be the decider coz "Hulk cannot survive the type of heat at ground zero" due to it being a "nuclear" shockwave.

Have you seen the movie Jinzin? Has anyone besides IRTMU and I, seen this movie?

Just waiting till that gets answered before I move on.

-AC

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Well spoken. But seriously Alpha, I can fly, I've never done it but that's only 'cause I don't want to. Anyway, you've never seen me fail at it so you can't prove i can't.

Did someone flunk philosophy? Just curious.

I think Isaac Newton would likely disagree. Philosophy isn't the issue, it's scientifically impossible, thus provable.

"Anyway, you've never seen me fail at it so you can't prove i can't."

When you give me reason to believe that, besides your own word, you can fly, I'll give you the credit of being able to.

It's rather stupid to assume someone CAN possibly do something just because they haven't proven incapable. He hasn't destroyed a planet nor grown stronger with rage nor is there any evidence to suggest he is capable of either. Is there evidence to suggest he isn't capable? Yes. What is it? The fact that he has never destroyed any planets or grown stronger with rage.

-AC

Juggernauts withstood The Godforce, Hulk hasnt.
Hulks destroyed a planet, Godzilla hasnt.

Now argue that point.

Godzilla is easily capable of destroying most anyone in the marvel universe, theres no doubt in my mind The hulk is too, if godzilla were his size, but still had the same power, hulk would win, but the only thing stopping me here is the fact mass counts.

The hulks fists, being Blunt objects, may be extremely powerful to another combatant of his size, but when faced to a huge competitor ten or twenty times his size, I really dont think punching godzilla's foot is gonna do much, sure it would send someone else flying thats his size, but Godzilla's to big to be effected by it, even if it is a super powerful punch.

Now... Make Hulk godzilla's size, and this would be an ovbious fight.
The only thing keeping me from The Hulk on this, is the fact Godzilla is already amazingly powerful, and just too big to really be effected by Hulks fists, which are tiny blunt objects compared to Godzilla.

Whatever.

Edit: Alpha, what I meant when I said "Even though the movies in japanese, its ovbious..." and then you cut me off, is I meant its ovbious hes doing a super shockwave, lol, I wasnt deducing something that was being spoken in japanese, I meant its ovbious to see how powerful the shockwave can be.

"Godzilla is easily capable of destroying most anyone in the marvel universe, theres no doubt in my mind The hulk is too, if godzilla were his size, but still had the same power, hulk would win, but the only thing stopping me here is the fact mass counts."

This is just what you think. You have no evidence to suggest that this is likely to happen. Easily capable? No he isn't. Nor has he proven to be. Stop making assumptions based on what YOU want to be true.

"I meant its ovbious hes doing a super shockwave, lol, I wasnt deducing something that was being spoken in japanese, I meant its ovbious to see how powerful the shockwave can be."

You labelled it a nuclear or thermonuclear shockwave. Which is why everyone started backing Godzilla coz they said the heat would kill Hulk.

So I again ask my dodged question:

Has anyone besides me and allegedly IRTMU, seen the movie?

-AC

Since most everything Godzilla produces is thermo-nuclear in property, That blast had to have some property to it of his thermo-nuclear radiation.

"Yeah coz I somehow managed to watch all of his on screen appearances and have a good amount of the comics and still know jack.

Oh wait, I don't know jack. You are saying that because I believe Hulk would win, that I know jack. Which is factually untrue."

.....yeah you honestly think that I wouldn't think you were offended after that? whatever......

to answer your question, I have not seen this movie, but I'm not debating whether or not it's a thermo nuclear shockwave, I'm debating whether or not the force produced by whatever power it is would be enough to mess hulk up.......considering it leveled a city I'll go with a big yes to that question. It doesn't have to kill hulk just incapacitate him long enough for Godzilla to fry him for real, which i think godzilla has an honset to goodness chance of doing.

You people just keep saying that Godzilla wouldn't hit Hulk with his fire breath, and all I'm thinking is, well,,,,,,,if Godzilla can blast helicopters and fighter jets out of mid-air how is hulk going to evade the beam so easily? seriously you keep teliing me not to assume things, i wouldn't assume hulk's fast enough to simply dodge a lot of godzilla's beams at will, especially when any one of those beams can disintegrate a city block in 3 seconds or less.

And as far as the "prove that he can't" theory goes,
"just because venoms never been shown to beat superman doesn't mean he can't"
that would have been a ridiculous statement back in the day would it not? however, when these two did throw down, venom kicked his ass.
I know that seemed off topic but, we don't exactly know how much lifting power godzilla has compared to hulk and therefore, there is no way to say that Godzilla doesn't have the same amount of strength that the Hulk does. Same goes for the anger and strength thing, you say not to assume, but you assume he doesn't get stronger, however you have no proof....but say i submit, even if you are right, than we still have no idea what godzilla's real strength factor is at since he'd apparently be holding back from his fullest potential if that was the case.

You are very hypocritical man, I mean you disregard IRTMU's opinion because it what he "thinks", well isn't hulk beating Godzilla what you think, just cause you WANT that to be true doesn't make it so either.

Anyways.....Hulk is a big bad character in the MU and Godzilla is a bigger badder character in his respective universe....Godzilla fights and beats teams and groups of other giant monsters rugularly, and the hulk....well the Hulk gets beat by a hairy, "angry little man with sharp little knives on his hands". Despite the fact that you may call our argument weaker for the opinions facts and thoughts that we've conveyed, I might be inclined to agree with you except for two things,,,,,Godzilla won the poll, and there have been more people in support of godzilla winning this fight than in hulk's favor. nearly two times as many, Like i said before, Godzilla will stick hulk up his ass and crap him back out before finally stomping him out of existence. and that will be that.

somebody stated this earlier:
"GODZILLA DID CREATE A HUGE NUCLEAR PULSE THAT DESTROYED THE UNIVERSE, AND GODZILLA TOO" i think that pretty much says it all.

"...yeah you honestly think that I wouldn't think you were offended after that? whatever......"

Why am I relevant in all these threads? Where did you get the power to deduce through internet text, that I am offended? Nobody on this board could ever offend me over a comics character my friend.

Ok so Jinzin hasn't seen the movie and is judging by the "shockwave". IRTMU is deducing what it HAD to have.

Fact: The shockwave had no heatwave. It wasn't nuclear or thermonuclear. That wave? Notice how it's going across the floor, FROM the floor and all the buildings are still standing. Notice NO disturbance other than the floor.

Why? Because Godzilla, like Hulk, stamped his foot and created a mega tremor. IRTMU is lying to you. Tremors and shockwaves pass. Like waves, if you get over them, they are gone. Hulk can jump into space, he's going to be able to avoid a ground shockwave.

"You people just keep saying that Godzilla wouldn't hit Hulk with his fire breath, and all I'm thinking is, well,,,,,,,if Godzilla can blast helicopters and fighter jets out of mid-air how is hulk going to evade the beam so easily? seriously you keep teliing me not to assume things, i wouldn't assume hulk's fast enough to simply dodge a lot of godzilla's beams at will, especially when any one of those beams can disintegrate a city block in 3 seconds or less."

Those Helicopters and jets fly around at head height to Godzilla, toward him in many cases. They aren't hard for him to hit because he can see and attack them. It's easier to catch a moth than it is to grab a ferret. Why? Because they are up where you can grab or reach them. Same with Godzilla and the jets. Godzilla has trouble with tanks and armoured attack vehicles, they have downed him. No jets have. Why? Because commonly he cannot get to the ground based threats quick enough due to his maneuverability. Hulk runs at 500 mph on the ground. That's faster than anything Godzilla has ever dealt with on that scale. He isn't hitting Hulk with the beam.

"I know that seemed off topic but, we don't exactly know how much lifting power godzilla has compared to hulk and therefore, there is no way to say that Godzilla doesn't have the same amount of strength that the Hulk does."

There is no way to say that Godzilla isn't as strong as Hulk? Hulk has proved his strength, Godzilla hasn't. You are giving him a VERY VERY large benefit of doubt here. Which is silly. You are basically assuming he has that kind of power because he hasn't failed to show it. The reason I haven't lifted any cars lately might have something to do with the fact that I, you know, can't. Didn't it ever occur to you that the reason Godzilla hasn't done this is because he can't? That's the most logical but you're dodging it to give him the edge. Which still isn't giving him the edge coz it's a nonsense theory.

"however you have no proof...."

While you are clearly carrying enough proof to win this deba...oh wait. No you're not. The facts are on my side, he hasn't done anything or displayed power or action that suggests he has the ability you claim he has.

"than we still have no idea what godzilla's real strength factor is at since he'd apparently be holding back from his fullest potential if that was the case."

So we're gonna assume it's infinite? Rather presumptuous.

"You are very hypocritical man, I mean you disregard IRTMU's opinion because it what he "thinks", well isn't hulk beating Godzilla what you think, just cause you WANT that to be true doesn't make it so either. "

The man lied about what Godzilla had done to try and gain an edge. He also said "He has to be able to *insert outrageous ability claim*". Why does he have to? That's what IRTMU wants. I'm not saying anything that isn't true, I'm not saying anything false. IRTMU has outright lied and opinionated his way to where he is only to fall.

"Godzilla fights and beats teams and groups of other giant monsters rugularly,"

Where did you get the info he fights groups of giant monsters regularly? The most his battles have been is 4 way. In which everyone was fighting each other. He fights one on one regularly. It's a rare occurance that the actual fight is multi way. Such assumptions.

"and the hulk....well the Hulk gets beat by a hairy, "angry little man with sharp little knives on his hands"

Funny that coz Godzilla gets floored by the army, an enemy Hulk has trashed with his strength alone on every encounter.

"Despite the fact that you may call our argument weaker for the opinions facts and thoughts that we've conveyed"

Facts? Thermo/nuclear shockwave that melts cities? Lie.

Godzilla HAS to have certain abilities? That's an out of this world assumption that has no reason or valid back up.

Godzilla having strength equal to or surpassing Hulk and even the same strength/emotion increase ability? Ridiculous that because they are both radiation effected, you give Godzilla the abilities of Hulk. You made the extreme and unfounded assumption that he can do all this purely coz he hasn't failed to do them. He hasn't succeeded, he hasn't proven capable and he hasn't attempted to do them either. 3 to 1 there. Those ARE facts and they're on my side.

"Godzilla won the poll, and there have been more people in support of godzilla winning this fight than in hulk's favor. nearly two times as many,"

Yes Godzilla had more votes when the poll was closed. He may have won the poll but you're forgetting that people can come, vote and leave. The debate where people are presenting opinion is far less for Godzilla than the voting poll is. Godzilla is being hyped and backed on lies and unfounded, unbacked opinion. I'm supporting Hulk with fact and valid opinion. Everything I've said against Godzilla is fact. Those supporting Godzilla have said more unjustifiable opinion than fact and more assumption than fact.

"Like i said before, Godzilla will stick hulk up his ass and crap him back out before finally stomping him out of existence. and that will be that."

Why ruin a perfect decent post with a hypocritical, overblown and completely impossible, desperation claim? Shouldn't back someone without some kind of resourses.

"somebody stated this earlier:
"GODZILLA DID CREATE A HUGE NUCLEAR PULSE THAT DESTROYED THE UNIVERSE, AND GODZILLA TOO" i think that pretty much says it all."

It hasn't ever happened, ever. Fact. That pretty much says it all.

-AC

I thought it was pretty obvious that was sarcasm.

The same way saying Godzilla had an honest chance at winning this fight would be sarcasm.

has far as the fire breath goes, Godzilla doesn't have to be precise with his he can just zig zag the damn thing in waves and it will level everything around him including the hulk. hulk may be able to run at 500 mph but how often does he use his sprinting ability in a fight? I mean honsetly. And like you said Godzilla could just stomp his foot to cause that kind of shockwave, (It's a technique that's been used to stagger faster characters like the flash so there is absolutely no reason why it wouldn't work on the hulk). So what if the Hulk jumps up to avoid it? Godzilla can still blast him with his fire breath, since according to you things seem to be easier to hit when they're in the air.
(and please tell me when grounded tanks that haven't been uber modified in some way have ever stopped godzilla) I just watched one of his movies a couple days ago, and a vollley of tanks couldn't even stop madura (mothra before the moth transformation).

Now on to the Godzilla's strength debate......Okay it's completely logical to say that Godzilla is as strong as hulk (at base level) or perhaps even stronger,,,,,like you said i have no proof, but a monster that's hundreds and hundreds of tons should easily be put into the hulk strength class. Can hulk out strength Godzilla? well,,,,eventually he could, but he'd have to survive long enough and get angry enough to do so. He doesn't reach his "Limitless strength levels" right off the bat.
You say that Godzilla doesn't get stronger, but like I said, Godzilla won't be able to fry a creature,,,,,then after he gets pissed, he's able to incinerate it. To me that's a sign of becoming stronger, did i say he had all the powers of the hulk? hell no! (another "assumption" on your behalf) I just said that it seems like godzilla gets stronger. There are plenty of occurances to indicate a theory like that may be true, and there is really no proof, or even that much evidence for the opposite to be true.

perhaps Godzilla doesn't fight groups (to be honest I was thinking of destroy all monsters and it was late), but he does fight duets of giant monsters constantly. off te top of my head theres godzilla vs. mechagodzilla, megalon, 200 monster/spaceship. So that is something he does regularly parttake in.

Hulk as never had to encounter the absurd weopons that the army has to specially make in order for Godzilla. It's not like Godzilla is just going around fighting regular military with regular weaponry (when that happens the military gets stomped by godzilla as well).

And it is stated in the MU that Godzilla was above class 100 class, an incarnation of Godzilla which is for all intents and purposes less powerful, or nearly as strong as the godzilla incarnation we use in our debate.

You keep trying to call everyone out on assumptions but you do the same things, and don't say that you don't don't cause you'll ruin your self proclaimed no-lie record. cut it out, it's freaking annoying when you're being so hypocritical about the situation.

And I didn't think i ruined my post with that comment, I just put it in there cause i thought that it could use some humor,,,,,oh well you took care of that right quick now didn't ya?

Anyways, the sheer physics alone are all the support i need in my argument. Irtmu was right about Hulk not being able to flip Godzilla over. I mean besides that, Hulk will have to use all his strength to knock godzilla down or whatever, but one boot from godzilla is going to send hulk into the ocean if not out of orbit. (that's not an assumption it's just logical) Even if Hulk got on Godzilla, the big lizard could use his repulsion wave thingy to knock hulk off, and potentially hurt the shit out of him (ex-biolante). godzilla can also fly,,,,i don't know what that has to do with anything but apparently people voting in hulks favor seem to think that hulk being able to jumb high means something in this fight so,,,,,,Godzilla can fly under his own power. so what?

Anyways, Godzilla would crush, Logan, or thing, or iron fist (lol), or wedigo, or sasquatch, or nearly any of the other opponents that have given hulk such a problem in the past, even defeated him. no reason to assume that Godzilla can't beat hulk at all.

Dude I started to read your post but it's way too long. Just a pointer, make it sweet and to the point (just my opinion.)

yeah, i know,,,,,, 🙁 alpha's making me crazy.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Those Helicopters and jets fly around at head height to Godzilla, toward him in many cases. They aren't hard for him to hit because he can see and attack them. It's easier to catch a moth than it is to grab a ferret. Why? Because they are up where you can grab or reach them. Same with Godzilla and the jets. Godzilla has trouble with tanks and armoured attack vehicles, they have downed him. No jets have. Why? Because commonly he cannot get to the ground based threats quick enough due to his maneuverability. Hulk runs at 500 mph on the ground. That's faster than anything Godzilla has ever dealt with on that scale. He isn't hitting Hulk with the beam.

Since when has Godzilla had trouble with tanks, much less been leveled by them? I don't seem to remember Godzilla falling to any of Japan's tanks or masers, unless he was already badly injured by another monster he was fighting at the time, before being hit by said tanks or masers.

As far as Godzilla not being able to hit Hulk with his atomic breath, your reasoning doesn't hold water. Hulk can run 500 mph, but Godzilla can hit fighter jets that routinely fly faster than the speed of sound (761.18 mph). Mind you, not all of the jets that he hits are flying towards him. He also hits jets that are also flying away from him (after firing their missiles at him) as well as the jets that are circling him.

Now, right about now you might say that hitting a target on the ground is harder than hitting one at eye-level.

How?

All Godzilla has to do is tilt his head slightly in the Hulk's direction (the ground) to adjust the line of fire of his atomic breath. I don't see how doing this would make it so much more difficult to hit the Hulk if the Hulk was running around on the ground or even in the air. Besides, with the spread and width of Godzilla's blast, he wouldn't have much difficulty at all hitting the Hulk with it.

Think of it this way: we can take Godzilla's atomic breath and liken it to a fire hose. You take a fire hose and spray a target at eye level. Easy enough, right? Now what's so much more difficult about hitting a target that's on the ground? How much harder is it to hit a scattering roach or an ant with a fire hose than it is to hit a dragonfly that's flying at you or away from you?

If anything, I think it'd be harder to hit the targets that are in the air than the ones on the ground. If Godzilla can hit objects flying faster than 500 mph with relative ease, then he'll have no problem whatsoever hitting an object that's running around on the ground at 500 mph.

Whether it's 500 mph on the ground or 500 mph in the air, Godzilla's going to hit his target.......the Hulk.

Why don't you try shooting a fly and then and then realize or even swatting one with your hand for that matter.

I'm sorry, your point being?

If my comparison was beyond you I can't help you buddy.

Actually, your sentence structure is what needs help.

But from what I gathered, you're trying to say that shooting a fly is difficult, am I correct? True enough.

How does swatting at a fly with your hand or an object correlate to shooting a fly in the air?

Yeah I should of checked it. My apologies.

Hitting a fly with your hand is less difficult than shooting one but is still difficult.