" hulk may be able to run at 500 mph but how often does he use his sprinting ability in a fight? I mean honsetly. And like you said Godzilla could just stomp his foot to cause that kind of shockwave, (It's a technique that's been used to stagger faster characters like the flash so there is absolutely no reason why it wouldn't work on the hulk). So what if the Hulk jumps up to avoid it? Godzilla can still blast him with his fire breath, since according to you things seem to be easier to hit when they're in the air."
Since when did Hulk have to jump directly into Godzilla's line of sight to be hit? I'm not trying to "make you crazy" but you're just bringing up nothing but off topic nonsense. How often does Hulk use sprinting in a fight? Not often but we know he has it. How often does Godzilla use his getting stronger with rage and planet destroying capabilities? Oh, never.
Hulk hasn't breathed out gamma fire or shown that he is incapable of growing to insane sizes. Shall I say that because he hasn't been proven incapable, it doesn't mean he can't? Or are we going to concur that when someone doesn't do something it usually means that they lack the ability?
"(and please tell me when grounded tanks that haven't been uber modified in some way have ever stopped godzilla) I just watched one of his movies a couple days ago, and a vollley of tanks couldn't even stop madura (mothra before the moth transformation)."
Didn't realise this was a Mothra thread and I also didn't realise that I had specified Tank type. So they've been modified. What? It's nothing more than just explosive rockets and electricity beams they use. Hulk has taken an omega beam to the chest and kept coming. Proportionately that would kill Godzilla if electricity and rockets can floor him.
"Now on to the Godzilla's strength debate......Okay it's completely logical to say that Godzilla is as strong as hulk (at base level) or perhaps even stronger,,,,,like you said i have no proof, but a monster that's hundreds and hundreds of tons should easily be put into the hulk strength class. Can hulk out strength Godzilla? well,,,,eventually he could, but he'd have to survive long enough and get angry enough to do so. He doesn't reach his "Limitless strength levels" right off the bat."
Yes he may very well be near Hulk's base strength. No need to assume he has Hulk's ability, because he doesn't. Hulk could quite easily survive long enough and I don't think fighting a giant dinosaur is gonna keep you calm. Hulk will obviously be getting more and more pumped up, stronger and stronger by the second.
"You say that Godzilla doesn't get stronger, but like I said, Godzilla won't be able to fry a creature,,,,,then after he gets pissed, he's able to incinerate it. To me that's a sign of becoming stronger, did i say he had all the powers of the hulk? hell no! (another "assumption" on your behalf) I just said that it seems like godzilla gets stronger. There are plenty of occurances to indicate a theory like that may be true, and there is really no proof, or even that much evidence for the opposite to be true."
You are confusing increase of application with increase of strength. Godzilla got wrapped up by King Ghidorah and almost choked out. He began foaming at the mouth. Where was his increased strength then? He got out because he STARTED struggling against the monster. He started APPLYING the strength that he ALREADY had. If he was struggling continuously to no avail and then all of a sudden broke out, THAT would be another story. He hasn't. You are just basing all this on the fact that it seems like it, that seems to be good enough for you, which is rather ridiculous. He hasn't made any indication to being capable of what you claim he is. So there is no reason to believe he is and as a result you're giving him more credit than he deserves by assuming he can. You are so off topic with all your points that it's untrue.
"Hulk as never had to encounter the absurd weopons that the army has to specially make in order for Godzilla. It's not like Godzilla is just going around fighting regular military with regular weaponry (when that happens the military gets stomped by godzilla as well)."
Hasn't he? Missed the time when Ross brought in the Omega shock tanks? Must have. Assumptions, assumptions. They don't just stroll up to him with AK47's and say "stick em up". You're whole debate on this relates to how big Godzilla is. Proportionately they are nothing close, Hulk is far superior. Godzilla's height works to his disadvantage here.
"You keep trying to call everyone out on assumptions but you do the same things, and don't say that you don't don't cause you'll ruin your self proclaimed no-lie record. cut it out, it's freaking annoying when you're being so hypocritical about the situation."
I've never lied nor been hypocritical. I stay on point and use knowledge to put across what I'm saying. You stray so far off because of your endless need to find stuff to aid you that you accuse me of having some kind of crazy influence over you. Not everything comes down to me. Accept responsibility for your own foolhardy debate nature.
"Anyways, the sheer physics alone are all the support i need in my argument. Irtmu was right about Hulk not being able to flip Godzilla over."
Like he was right about the shockwave? Hercules tipped Godzilla over, Hulk could easily. Secondly, when did this become about physics? It's a Marvel fight not a science class buddy. Godzilla's size isn't a plus.
"but one boot from godzilla is going to send hulk into the ocean if not out of orbit. (that's not an assumption it's just logical)"
Have you seen how far Godzilla can move his leg back? It would knock Hulk far but then of course, you have to refer to space and out of orbit as a failsafe. Funny.
"godzilla can also fly,,,,i don't know what that has to do with anything but apparently people voting in hulks favor seem to think that hulk being able to jumb high means something in this fight so,,,,,,Godzilla can fly under his own power. so what?"
Hahahahaha. And you said I took the humour out of this. You are the living incarnation of the phrase "clutching at straws".
"As far as Godzilla not being able to hit Hulk with his atomic breath, your reasoning doesn't hold water. Hulk can run 500 mph, but Godzilla can hit fighter jets that routinely fly faster than the speed of sound (761.18 mph). Mind you, not all of the jets that he hits are flying towards him. He also hits jets that are also flying away from him (after firing their missiles at him) as well as the jets that are circling him."
It holds perfect water. In desperation, you get technical. That's fine by me, only aids me. If you watch Godzilla's movies, he isn't standing there fighting stealth bombers or concordes. I dunno where you got this speed of sound thing from. They're normal fighter jets. Flying away and toward is basically a straight line. Which, oh look, is the path Godzilla's beam travels in.
"All Godzilla has to do is tilt his head slightly in the Hulk's direction (the ground) to adjust the line of fire of his atomic breath. I don't see how doing this would make it so much more difficult to hit the Hulk if the Hulk was running around on the ground or even in the air. Besides, with the spread and width of Godzilla's blast, he wouldn't have much difficulty at all hitting the Hulk with it."
Godzilla's actual beam isn't that wide. It's wide but it's not gigantic. It comes out of his mouth, he can fit a tank in his mouth. Which isn't really that big. It barely covers a tank when he hits one. I can get techical to, except I have all the movies here to back me up.
The fire hose theory: Is the fire hose water coming out of my mouth? No. I can take the hose into my arms and aim it at the ground. It's closer to the ground and my arms are more maneuverable than my head and neck. Godzilla can barely move his upper body independantly. Watch Godzilla Vs King Ghidorah. He comes out of the water and a new copter is flying around him. He moves his WHOLE BODY around to keep it in sight. He doesn't turn his head because he can't move that freely. So is Godzilla gonna be able to hit Hulk on the ground with his extremely rigid upper body movement? No he is not. Lets say I have water in my mouth that I wanna spray out, seeing as we're going there. I can bend down to get closer to what I'm spraying it at. Godzilla cannot. He isn't that flexible. He's like a giant stiff board. I'm basing everything I'm saying off all of what I've seen/not seen in his movies and comics. You are going by his powers. What's more reliable? Exactly. Godzilla has such a complete lack of ways to win this that it's not even funny. You go so far off topic to gain an edge and I just indulged you. Still proved your points redundant. It's not happening and I am as big a fan of Godzilla as any on this board. Have been for years. Doesn't mean he's winning this fight.
-AC
okay first off the your making me crazy thing was again,,,,SUPPOSED TO BE HUMUROUS "assumpitons assumptions" (shakes head)
" hulk may be able to run at 500 mph but how often does he use his sprinting ability in a fight? I mean honsetly. And like you said Godzilla could just stomp his foot to cause that kind of shockwave, (It's a technique that's been used to stagger faster characters like the flash so there is absolutely no reason why it wouldn't work on the hulk). So what if the Hulk jumps up to avoid it? Godzilla can still blast him with his fire breath, since according to you things seem to be easier to hit when they're in the air."
please tell me how this is off topic, or what is has to do with hulks "planet destroying" capabilities.
once again you're making assumptions as well, you say godzilla can't stand up to omega beams,,,,,well proove it then,,,oh that's right you can't either. My point was that you try to make it seem like godzilla gets taken down by regular military means, when infact that's a load of crippity crap and you know it. and tell me when godzilla was put down by tanks shooting electricity bolts? even if that's so, who cares, Hulks been KOed by a lightning bolt before,,so what? Godzilla thrashes entire armies the same way that Hulk does.
Like I said the MU incarnation was at and above class 100 strength, the incarnation I'm reffering to G2K would waste the MU Godzilla.
despite what you say you are hypocritical, and insulting in a way as well, it's easy to understand why there are so many people on this board with contempt for you.
the orbit thing isn't a failsafe (if you wanna assume it is fine but that doesn't change the fact that) it's true.
Godzilla's beam sometimes spreads out in a v pattern after exiting his mouth. so it's not as wide as a tank all the time, sometimes it's exceptionally wider.
the reason why Godzilla can't trun his head as easily as you or me (or at all for that matter) is because he's a little asian man in a big rubber lizard suite!
in the comics he has no problem turning his head.
My debating abilities aside, I don't have to be good at it for this thread (way to be arrogant though), esp. when Godzilla's winning this debate.
just because you say otherwise doesn't mean that he'll lose either.
Godzilla just sits there and waits powering up for a repulsion blast, Hulk jumps on Godzilla because brute strength is his only offense, Godzilla lets loose with the repulsion blast Hulk flies apart in 40 peices.
Hulk runs towards Godzilla, Godzilla looks down and punts hulk into the next continent.
Hulk tries to smash godzilla, Godzilla blasts hulk with his breath until Hulk doesn't exist anymore.
yeah Godzilla's so outclassed here.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Well, to scale, a roach moves about the speed of a Formula 1 race care. How well do you could you shoot a roach moving more than twice it's normal speed?
Well of course you're gonna have hell trying to hit it with a bullet or a water gun. Now, put those aside and try a flamethrower or a firehose. How well could you do then?
"please tell me how this is off topic, or what is has to do with hulks "planet destroying" capabilities."
Haha where did I mention Hulk destroying planets? This has nothing to do with The Flash or Mothra or anyone else. You seem to like involving them.
"once again you're making assumptions as well, you say godzilla can't stand up to omega beams,,,,,well proove it then,,,oh that's right you can't either. My point was that you try to make it seem like godzilla gets taken down by regular military means, when infact that's a load of crippity crap and you know it."
Am I saying Godzilla can't stand up to omega beams? Really? Find where I said that. I said Hulk has, I never said Godzilla couldn't. I'm not gonna assume he can, like you would do though.
Secondly, you are taking it as though I referred to conventional military means. I never made any specifications, you did.
"and tell me when godzilla was put down by tanks shooting electricity bolts? even if that's so, who cares, Hulks been KOed by a lightning bolt before,,so what?"
Hulk was temporarily knocked down by a lightning bolt to the head of monsterous proportions. Godzilla is damaged and harmed by electricity cannons in Godzilla Vs King Ghidorah.
"Godzilla thrashes entire armies the same way that Hulk does."
Hulk doing it, given his size in comparison, is much more impressive. He does it with his fists and strength. Not his foot.
"Like I said the MU incarnation was at and above class 100 strength, the incarnation I'm reffering to G2K would waste the MU Godzilla."
Does it say G2K Godzilla in the thread title? No. Is this G2K Vs MU Godzilla? No. This is Godzilla Vs Hulk. However I could get Maestro Hulk involved if I wanted to and this would be more ridiculous than it is now.
Out of curiousity, are you refering to the Godzilla with the giant two spikes protruding from his back, when you say G2K? Be careful how you answer.
"despite what you say you are hypocritical, and insulting in a way as well, it's easy to understand why there are so many people on this board with contempt for you."
Yes and when you say things like that it's easy to see why they have contempt. I shake it off, doesn't bother me. I'm not insulting anyone so it's all in how they take it. Are you gonna make this debate focus on me just as they tried to? Or are you gonna be more mature than they are (Like I genuinely believe you to be) and keep as on topic as possible? I'm not being hypocritical. Nothing I've said is hypocricy. Either way, I'm not fighting these two. So I'm not relevant.
"the orbit thing isn't a failsafe (if you wanna assume it is fine but that doesn't change the fact that) it's true."
Godzilla couldn't kick Hulk out of orbit and to assume so is rather illogical. If you've seen Godzilla movies you'd have seen him kick cars etc. They don't go flying more than a couple of hundred metres down the road. Not into space.
"Godzilla's beam sometimes spreads out in a v pattern after exiting his mouth. so it's not as wide as a tank all the time, sometimes it's exceptionally wider."
It's sometimes not parallel, I agree, but it's not exceptionally wider. That would depend on how we define exceptional though.
"the reason why Godzilla can't trun his head as easily as you or me (or at all for that matter) is because he's a little asian man in a big rubber lizard suite!
in the comics he has no problem turning his head."
So are we referring to just the comics? If so that would make alot of what you've said, irrelevant. Godzilla in the comics got whooped by Hercules.
"My debating abilities aside, I don't have to be good at it for this thread (way to be arrogant though), esp. when Godzilla's winning this debate."
Keep telling yourself that if it helps. Nothing but obvious to me as to why you're saying it.
He's winning the poll. When you take into account those who've posted in here, he's not winning the thread. I'm going by more fact based information than you or anyone else. Not saying you are not using fact, you have. You've also used more outrageous assumption on the part of Godzilla, than anyone I've seen. You've gave him such huge benefits of doubt that it's got ridiculous.
"just because you say otherwise doesn't mean that he'll lose either."
You're certainly not giving me reason to say he'd win. You're just ignoring my reasons as to why he'd lose. Either that or you combat it with something you believe Godzilla is capable of.
"Hulk runs towards Godzilla, Godzilla looks down and punts hulk into the next continent. Hulk tries to smash godzilla, Godzilla blasts hulk with his breath until Hulk doesn't exist anymore. yeah Godzilla's so outclassed here."
A) Isn't gonna happen and I've proven so.
B) Again, gave many reasons, credible and provable reason as to why this is very unlikely to happen.
C) You said it.
-AC
yeah i'm sorry for attacking you as a person, but the way in which you present yourself is,,,,,well arrogant, and hard to deal with.
anyways,
dude i'm considering the character for how the character should be potrayed, Godzilla kicks a car in the movies it flies a couple of feet cause that how far a normal person in a rubber suite is going to be able to kick a hotwheel, for Godzilla's comparative size and strength if he kicked a car the thing shouldn't even be in one recognizable piece by the time it hits the ground.
and by G2K I mean godzilla from Godzilla millenium.
you say this isn't G2K vs. MU godzilla,,,,,well it's not Hulk (or herculies for that matter) vs. MU godzilla either but you sem to be confident enough to use that for your debate.
"He's winning the poll. When you take into account those who've posted in here, he's not winning the thread."
see it's things like that, that's why people can't stomach you (no offense) but that sounds like a very pompous thing to say and it's kind of insulting to everyone who's defended Godzilla so far. And in terms of sheer numbers Godzilla's winning this fight, you may say numbers don't mean squat but in a fight where fans decide the outcome,,,,,well it kinda does. Like i said there are about twice as many people voting Godzilla than Hulk so how can you say team hulk is winning this debate.
that aside, a lot of your "facts" have been opinions on whether or not Godzilla can catch hulk with anything, in either case it can be argued both ways.
I haven't said Godzilla is capable of anything we haven't seen him do before, i never said Godzilla had unlimited strength either that was your assumption.
you say I ignore how godzilla would loose but you do the same, you simply disregard anyones theory on godzilla with a it wouldn't happen answer.
All Godzilla has to do is wait for Hulk to try and jump on him or near him and then release a repulsion pulse, the fight should be pretty one sided from there on in and Hulk has absolutely no way of defending himself against that.
"dude i'm considering the character for how the character should be potrayed, Godzilla kicks a car in the movies it flies a couple of feet cause that how far a normal person in a rubber suite is going to be able to kick a hotwheel, for Godzilla's comparative size and strength if he kicked a car the thing shouldn't even be in one recognizable piece by the time it hits the ground."
BUT.......this revolves around SHOULD. What you believe SHOULD happen. Godzilla has done nothing of the sort in comics or movies alike. So while I see what you're saying, the people who created the character obviously don't use "should".
"and by G2K I mean godzilla from Godzilla millenium.
you say this isn't G2K vs. MU godzilla,,,,,well it's not Hulk (or herculies for that matter) vs. MU godzilla either but you sem to be confident enough to use that for your debate."
Do you mean Godzilla 2000? The movie? I swear you just said that we're not dealing with men in rubber suits.
Second, since when did you have some power to determine what Godzilla is involved? It just says Godzilla in the title. You can't make up your mind as to whether we're referring to the comics or the movies. When you think of Godzilla, or the common person thinks of Godzilla, they don't conjure up an image of Godzilla 2K. They think of the one everyone knows. Why are you bringing in something for no good reason or relevance?
"see it's things like that, that's why people can't stomach you (no offense) but that sounds like a very pompous thing to say and it's kind of insulting to everyone who's defended Godzilla so far. And in terms of sheer numbers Godzilla's winning this fight, you may say numbers don't mean squat but in a fight where fans decide the outcome,,,,,well it kinda does. Like i said there are about twice as many people voting Godzilla than Hulk so how can you say team hulk is winning this debate."
Yet it's perfectly ok for you to outright claim he is winning? Now who's being hypocritical? I'm not insulting anyone. If you wanna back Godzilla then go for it. It doesn't erase the fact that whether it's one, two or eight people against me, all that you and others have used so far, essentially is "He's bigger, he should be able to do this." I've used fact from comics and movies. If there's a debate on anything, 5 Vs 1. If those 5 people are debating their hearts out with nothing more than unfounded assumption, opinion and preference, it doesn't matter. If the other guy uses fact and knowledge to disprove or counter what they are saying, is the judge or overseer gonna say "Well....there are more of them than you buddy."? No he's not. Numbers are fine and dandy but multiple people saying lots of nothing is as good as nobody even debating at all.
"that aside, a lot of your "facts" have been opinions on whether or not Godzilla can catch hulk with anything, in either case it can be argued both ways."
I'm going by what I've seen and stated why I believe that. It DOES make it a little difficult when you are shifting between comics and movies the whole time. First it's not about a man in a rubber suit, then it is, then it's not. Again, make your mind up. If it's about the movies, alot of what I've said regarding his stiffness, uncapable maneuverability and such, still stands and so do my points regarding it. If we're talking about the comics, then they are Marvel comics. Hercules tipped him and so could Hulk. Godzilla is the one specified in the thread title, no Space, Mecha or Future Godzilla.
"you say I ignore how godzilla would loose but you do the same, you simply disregard anyones theory on godzilla with a it wouldn't happen answer. All Godzilla has to do is wait for Hulk to try and jump on him or near him and then release a repulsion pulse, the fight should be pretty one sided from there on in and Hulk has absolutely no way of defending himself against that."
So now all it takes is a repulsion blast? Where are you getting all these abilities from?
Godzilla Vs Ebirah: Gets caught in a vice grip for ages and cannot break out. Where's this repulsion blast?
Godzilla Vs King Ghidorah: Gets wrapped up and choked out. Where's the repulsion blast?
Godzilla Vs King Kong: Gets attacked by a giant octopus, where was his repulsion blast?
Was Godzilla standing there thinking "Goddamn it. I should be able to just destroy the planet. I mean come on, I should." Should doesn't cut it. He's still standing there getting crunched.
I've heard "But he always wins in the end." Hello? They're Godzilla movies. People don't go to see him lose.
-AC
BUT.......this revolves around SHOULD. What you believe SHOULD happen. Godzilla has done nothing of the sort in comics or movies alike. So while I see what you're saying, the people who created the character obviously don't use "should".
just cause the asian guy in the rubber suite can't trun his neck i guess we're supposed to beleive that he couldn't do it in comic book land either huh? wrong.
Do you mean Godzilla 2000? The movie? I swear you just said that we're not dealing with men in rubber suits.
Like i said the idea of the character and how he is supposed to be (not how I may or may not believe him to be, but how he would be if it weren't a big rubber suit,
(off topic)
I mean hell even batman couldn't move all that well in the batman movies due to his rubber latex suit, so i guess we're supposed to believe that's how immobile he really is huh? nope.
No he's not. Numbers are fine and dandy but multiple people saying lots of nothing is as good as nobody even debating at all.
(off topic) ummmmm presidential elections anyone? lol.
"all that you and others have used so far, essentially is "He's bigger, he should be able to do this."
but...
"I'm going by what I've seen and stated why I believe that."
see, you DO do it too.
"Godzilla is the one specified in the thread title, no Space, Mecha or Future Godzilla."
nor is herc so why bring him up constantly?
"Where are you getting all these abilities from?"
Godzilla vs. ...wait, you said you've seen all the movies, you tell me.
"But he always wins in the end." Hello? They're Godzilla movies. People don't go to see him lose."
so that's a good reason to discredit his feats? the same could be said for the hulk.
You're right about one thing if this thread was more specified I might succumb, but like I said the way that Godzilla is supposed to be and how he is portrayed in the comics, movies, and other comics, and movies, and other movies, are all totally different, but that's what happens when so many companies get ahold of one liscense for a character.
(off topic) but hell if it's moive godzilla vs. tv/movie hulk he could just pick him up and drop himand hul would die like in death of hulk, (before alpha goes off on that one) i'm saying that cause it was a funny random thought .
"just cause the asian guy in the rubber suite can't trun his neck i guess we're supposed to beleive that he couldn't do it in comic book land either huh? wrong."
Exactly, wrong. Where did I say he couldn't do it in the comics? You constantly refer to comic medium then movie medium. Make up your mind as to which we're dealing with.
"Like i said the idea of the character and how he is supposed to be (not how I may or may not believe him to be, but how he would be if it weren't a big rubber suit"
He's not in a rubber suit in the comics is he? Did that stop him from getting knocked flat on his back by a guy who is about 5 leagues below Hulk? Apparantly not.
"I mean hell even batman couldn't move all that well in the batman movies due to his rubber latex suit, so i guess we're supposed to believe that's how immobile he really is huh? nope."
Yeah so post this again when there's a Batman Vs Godzilla thread. You sure do say off topic alot. Surely staying on topic isn't that hard.
"ummmmm presidential elections anyone? lol."
Off topic AGAIN. Damn. I'm gonna go create a Bush Vs Kerry thread and then a Godzilla Vs Batman thread after. Until then, keep them out of this. You proved my point though, the guy victorious wasn't the better guy. He was and is the wrong guy for the job. Godzilla was voted for, Godzilla won. Does it change that Hulk is better? No.
""all that you and others have used so far, essentially is "He's bigger, he should be able to do this."
but...
"I'm going by what I've seen and stated why I believe that."
see, you DO do it too."
So drastically misinterpreted it's untrue. I base what I believe and think on FACT and reason. What are you going by? "Well based on what I believe he would be like", "He would do this", "He can do this.". Where are your proof-laden statements to back up each? You have none.
""Godzilla is the one specified in the thread title, no Space, Mecha or Future Godzilla."
nor is herc so why bring him up constantly?"
There's a difference between using an example and actually involving an unspecified combatant in the fight. I'm not bringing in Maestro Hulk, because the thread title doesn't say that does it? Does it say Godzilla 2K? Hmm? Nah. Infact, if we're going by any incarnation we choose, Godzilla 2K? That was a man in a rubber suit. Godzilla 1999 wasn't. That was an actual lizard. Wanna tell me how he was killed? Oh, the brooklyn bridge and missiles. If you wanna involve the whole "Yeah well if he wasn't a man in a suit..." then I can just involve that or the comics. Both of which have seen him handled.
"Godzilla vs. ...wait, you said you've seen all the movies, you tell me."
Exactly, I did. He hasn't got em. You seem to have an ideal image of what he should be and should be able to do. That's fine and dandy but it has no place here. Like I said, you can say "Godzilla hasn't proven incapable of destroying planets or growing stronger with rage. So why should we assume he can't." If that is the rationale, can I assume Hulk has eye beams and fire breath? He hasn't proven incapable after all. Yes now you see how ridiculous it is to give such unfounded benefit of doubt.
"so that's a good reason to discredit his feats? the same could be said for the hulk."
It could? Hulk has battered people in their own comics. Outside of his own series. Some people might very well buy Hulk's comics to see him win but the fact of the matter is that Hulk doesn't just win in his own comics. Godzilla lost to King Kong. When it's Godzilla or Godzilla Vs then he always wins.
"You're right about one thing if this thread was more specified I might succumb, but like I said the way that Godzilla is supposed to be and how he is portrayed in the comics, movies, and other comics, and movies, and other movies, are all totally different, but that's what happens when so many companies get ahold of one liscense for a character."
Agreed but it's pretty obvious that TOEI Co, the one's who produce the rubber suit originals, are the creators. If anything is how he's MEANT to be, it's those movies.
"(off topic) but hell if it's moive godzilla vs. tv/movie hulk he could just pick him up and drop himand hul would die like in death of hulk, (before alpha goes off on that one) i'm saying that cause it was a funny random thought ."
I don't think it'd even take Godzilla to fight Lou Ferrigno. Godzuki could pretty much have some playtime with him haha. Or even Godzillasaurus. Gotta jet out now so I'll reply when I can. Genuinely hope that you aren't taking this too seriously. I'm enjoying it. Just think it's a bit of a ridiculous fight.
-AC
Damn, Why is this so hard to be accepted?
Hulk is (or could become) stronger than Godzilla. A "thermonuclear blast" will not kill Hulk, and if it could Hulk will regenerate. He is virtually indestructible. This is not my opinion. According to the official Marvel Encyclopedia: Incredible Hulk, Hulk is virtually indestructible. He can regenerate from scattered, gamma charged atoms. This also, is from the official Marvel Encyclopedia: Incredible Hulk. It is also evident in TIH volume 2 #260.
Hulk can only be permanently killed if Bruce Banner is killed, or if he is completely robbed of his gamma energy. These are FACTS. Learn them people. Throwing him into the sun won't kill him. Suffocation won't kill him. Virtually indestructible means virtually indestructible. His only weaknesses are certain sedatives and telepathic attack.
I reiterate, Thermonuclear energy will NOT KILL HULK. He has survived nuclear bombs, and far worse, so the "thermonuclear blast" argument is nullified. If Godzilla decided to kick Hulk, Hulk would use his superior speed, reflexes, flexibility, agility, intelligence, and strength to grab his leg and chuck him hammer style into a mountain. While Godzilla's struggling to get back up Hulk is going to be pounding the crap out of Godzilla. Eventually, Hulk will shatter Godzilla's skull, or such. Long fight, but Hulk wins.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
...Hulk is virtually indestructible. He can regenerate from scattered, gamma charged atoms. This also, is from the official Marvel Encyclopedia: Incredible Hulk. It is also evident in TIH volume 2 #260.Hulk can only be permanently killed if Bruce Banner is killed, or if he is completely robbed of his gamma energy. These are FACTS. Learn them people. Throwing him into the sun won't kill him. Suffocation won't kill him. Virtually indestructible means virtually indestructible. His only weaknesses are certain sedatives and telepathic attack...
Maybe Godzilla will force Hulk to watch a couple of his movies, then when the green guy falls asleep and turns back into Banner, the lizard will have him at his mercy!!!
Just kidding guys. I thought it was a funny idea...
Still think Hulk wins easy.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It holds perfect water. In desperation, you get technical.
Desperation? Please.
Where do you get a sense of desperation from a post that is simply trying to counter one of your points? Or do you routinely believe that all posts that don't necessarily agree with you are desperate attempts?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you watch Godzilla's movies, he isn't standing there fighting stealth bombers or concordes. I dunno where you got this speed of sound thing from. They're normal fighter jets.
Yes, and normal fighter jets regularly travel at mach speeds. I don't know what type of "normal" jets protect your country, but the normal fighter jets that protect my country can hit and exceed Mach 2. And since when are stealth bombers and concordes the only aircraft that can fly at the speed of sound? My point is that if Godzilla can hit a state of the art fighter jet traveling at top speed or even at its cruising speed (which is STILL faster than the Hulk's top speed of 500 mph), he'd have no problem hitting the Hulk running on the ground.
For the sake of argument, say that the Hulk hits a top speed of 500 mph on the ground. Godzilla can routinely blast jets that are travelling much faster than that and that are in the air. Aiming and hitting a moving target in the air (at eye level or higher) is much harder than hitting a moving target that's on the ground, especially if the target in the air is traveling at a much faster rate of speed than the target on the ground.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Flying away and toward is basically a straight line. Which, oh look, is the path Godzilla's beam travels in.
Yes, and if the Hulk approaches Godzilla, it's going to be in a straight line. Don't tell me that the Hulk is going to tip toe, juke, and zig zag towards a 50 meter beast to hit it/punch it/lift it, etc. The Hulk is going to come straight at Godzilla hard and strong for maximum impact.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Godzilla's actual beam isn't that wide. It's wide but it's not gigantic. It comes out of his mouth, he can fit a tank in his mouth. Which isn't really that big. It barely covers a tank when he hits one. I can get techical to, except I have all the movies here to back me up.
Why would you even relate the size of Godzilla's mouth to the width/spread of Godzilla's beam when it hits a target? Since when is the width/spread of the flames that are hitting a target at a distance equal to the size of the diameter of the flamethrower's nozzle? If you're on the other end of a fire hose, is the heavy spray of water that's hitting you the same size/width as the width/diameter of the hole of the nozzle? Please do get technical and while you're at it, use all of the movies at your disposal to back you up because your rationale on this is completely flawed.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Lets say I have water in my mouth that I wanna spray out, seeing as we're going there. I can bend down to get closer to what I'm spraying it at. Godzilla cannot. He isn't that flexible.
Why would he even have to? He wouldn't have to bend down. He can hit objects at a distance with his beam, so why would he even need to bend down to get closer to hit an object on the ground?
I still think that the Hulk will win this battle, but there's no way that he's going to be able to avoid Godzilla's most devastating weapon during their battle.
"My point is that if Godzilla can hit a state of the art fighter jet traveling at top speed or even at its cruising speed (which is STILL faster than the Hulk's top speed of 500 mph), he'd have no problem hitting the Hulk running on the ground. For the sake of argument, say that the Hulk hits a top speed of 500 mph on the ground. Godzilla can routinely blast jets that are travelling much faster than that and that are in the air. Aiming and hitting a moving target in the air (at eye level or higher) is much harder than hitting a moving target that's on the ground, especially if the target in the air is traveling at a much faster rate of speed than the target on the ground."
All of this and you're still assuming the speed of things that Godzilla is hitting. I didn't know you could see inside the cockpits. He's not hitting jets at mach speeds, he's hitting model planes. Secondly, Godzilla cannot hit Hulk on the ground. He is too immobile.
"Yes, and if the Hulk approaches Godzilla, it's going to be in a straight line. Don't tell me that the Hulk is going to tip toe, juke, and zig zag towards a 50 meter beast to hit it/punch it/lift it, etc. The Hulk is going to come straight at Godzilla hard and strong for maximum impact."
Don't tell you that Hulk is going to use his incredible agility and speed to his advantage? Why? Because that would give him the ed....ohhhh 😉. I getcha.
"Why would you even relate the size of Godzilla's mouth to the width/spread of Godzilla's beam when it hits a target? Since when is the width/spread of the flames that are hitting a target at a distance equal to the size of the diameter of the flamethrower's nozzle? If you're on the other end of a fire hose, is the heavy spray of water that's hitting you the same size/width as the width/diameter of the hole of the nozzle? Please do get technical and while you're at it, use all of the movies at your disposal to back you up because your rationale on this is completely flawed."
All the movies I've seen show Godzilla's beam barely covering the tanks it's hitting. Like I said before though, it's all in how we each define "exceptionally wide." It's all in perception. Still doesn't change the fact that Godzilla cannot aim at Hulk on the floor. Godzilla can barely, BARELY, hit small objects on the floor as it is. Let alone one that is of intelligence and strength.
"Why would he even have to? He wouldn't have to bend down. He can hit objects at a distance with his beam, so why would he even need to bend down to get closer to hit an object on the ground? I still think that the Hulk will win this battle, but there's no way that he's going to be able to avoid Godzilla's most devastating weapon during their battle."
Godzilla can't fire multiple beams at once and lets be honest, he gives fair warning as to when he's gonna blast. If Hulk dodges one, which he could, he can make it very very far before Godzilla even charges up another one.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
All of this and you're still assuming the speed of things that Godzilla is hitting. I didn't know you could see inside the cockpits.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the jet fighters firing at Godzilla are travelling faster than 500 mph since the average of today's jet fighters' cruising speeds are at least 700 mph.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He's not hitting jets at mach speeds, he's hitting model planes.
I thought we're talking about the abilities of the character of Godzilla and not about the abilities of a guy in a rubber lizard suit stomping on cardboard buildings.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He is too immobile.
He's mobile enough to hit fighter jets that are zipping around him in the air, yet too immobile to hit an object on the ground traveling at a much slower rate of speed than a jet fighter?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Don't tell you that Hulk is going to use his incredible agility and speed to his advantage? Why? Because that would give him the ed....ohhhh 😉. I getcha.
Don't tell me otherwise, not just because it would give him the edge, but because it's exactly what the Hulk would do. With Godzilla being so big, the Hulk would come straight at Godzilla with as much momentum as possible to use that momentum to aid his strength to knock/punch Godzilla into next week. He's not going to build up that momentum by hopping around like a flea, or juking around.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
All the movies I've seen show Godzilla's beam barely covering the tanks it's hitting.
His atomic breath barely covers tanks? He's taken out tank formations with it. Maybe you should see more Godzilla movies.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Like I said before though, it's all in how we each define "exceptionally wide." It's all in perception.
Oh, so now it's all "perception" is it? But before, you said you could get technical and had all the movies to back you up? If that's the case, your perception is skewed.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Still doesn't change the fact that Godzilla cannot aim at Hulk on the floor. Godzilla can barely, BARELY, hit small objects on the floor as it is. Let alone one that is of intelligence and strength.
Still no idea why you keep insisting that Godzilla can't aim at the Hulk on the floor. I don't know where or what Godzilla movie you saw where he actually had trouble hitting a small object with his atomic breath. The Hulk is about the size of a small tank. If Godzilla can hit an object as "small" as a tank, he can certainly hit the Hulk.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Godzilla can't fire multiple beams at once and lets be honest, he gives fair warning as to when he's gonna blast. If Hulk dodges one, which he could, he can make it very very far before Godzilla even charges up another one.
The fact is that Godzilla is able to shoot his breath for extended periods of time (see Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster). He can certainly hold it long enough to encompass the entire vicinity that the Hulk is dodging around in.
"I thought we're talking about the abilities of the character of Godzilla and not about the abilities of a guy in a rubber lizard suit stomping on cardboard buildings. "
So did I but Jinzin is referring to both. So am I.
"He's mobile enough to hit fighter jets that are zipping around him in the air, yet too immobile to hit an object on the ground traveling at a much slower rate of speed than a jet fighter?"
It's still 500mph or just below and the closer it gets the harder it is to hit. Especially on the ground.
"Don't tell me otherwise, not just because it would give him the edge, but because it's exactly what the Hulk would do. With Godzilla being so big, the Hulk would come straight at Godzilla with as much momentum as possible to use that momentum to aid his strength to knock/punch Godzilla into next week. He's not going to build up that momentum by hopping around like a flea, or juking around."
That's one way he COULD do things I agree. I still don't get how you know he'd do exactly that. We're arguing for the same winner anyway.
"His atomic breath barely covers tanks? He's taken out tank formations with it. Maybe you should see more Godzilla movies."
I've seen them all. I'm talking in Godzilla Vs Ebirah when they send in one at a time and he starts blasting them.
"Oh, so now it's all "perception" is it? But before, you said you could get technical and had all the movies to back you up? If that's the case, your perception is skewed."
Well ever since Jinzen brought up the beam being wide I've said it all comes down to how we view the term "exceptionally wide". Not sure what you're getting at. When I say "all about" I refer to the beam thing.
"Still no idea why you keep insisting that Godzilla can't aim at the Hulk on the floor. I don't know where or what Godzilla movie you saw where he actually had trouble hitting a small object with his atomic breath. The Hulk is about the size of a small tank. If Godzilla can hit an object as "small" as a tank, he can certainly hit the Hulk."
Hulk isn't gonna be travelling anywhere near as slow or as straight as they do. That IS a fact.
"The fact is that Godzilla is able to shoot his breath for extended periods of time (see Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster). He can certainly hold it long enough to encompass the entire vicinity that the Hulk is dodging around in."
Extended periods of time and bursts are two different things. If Hulk runs under the point of impact then Godzilla's upper torso isn't mobile enough to trace it.
This is all so riduculously off topic considering that we believe the result is Hulk as the winner. This has nothing to do with the fight, just abilities and how they're used.
-AC