Originally posted by JuggernautFan
hulk possibley by haulting his blood flow through the use of iron, but not juggernaut since he doesn't have to breathe. if he can't hold magneto to the ground, he cannot hold juggernaut. as for all the things you said that magneto could do to juggernaut, are you serious??? people make a big deal of hulk or wolverines healing factor. when juggernaut literally has instantaneous healing factor. nothing magneto could do would put juggernaut down, for very long. even being stripped of his flesh blood tendons nerves muscles couldn't stop juggernaut. this was done from a "cosmic threat". magneto cannot immitate this kind of power.
Um, NO Juggernaut does not. Instant healing factor after Onslaught smacked his ass from Canada to New York? He could not tell his feet from his fingers. Mind showing me an authentic bio wherein it mentions anything about Juggernaut's alleged "instant healing factor?" You must be referencing his one-time being invulnerable as he, again, WAS at one point able to withstand a metric ****ton of punishment.
Magneto cannot hold Juggernaut? That's BS, it depends on who is writing him. It is ENTIRELY within his power to do so. Making more out of Magneto? Are you familiar with the character? Maybe certain writers' characterizations were less than spectacular, but anyone who can unleash a GLOBAL ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE (do you realize how powerful that is???) is oodles more versatile and dangerous than Juggernaut can EVER be.
Juggernaut = sheer brute strength. That is all. No quickness, no superior fighting ability, nada.
All the things I said Magneto could do to Juggernaut? Yes I am serious. Man will you consider coming over to Grant Morrison's messageboard? I'd like to post the query and see if he will respond.
Magneto cannot imitate WHAT power? You mean THIS Magneto?
"Although Magneto's power is not on the level of the Silver Surfer in his prime, it is for all practical purposes limitless." <----- LIMITLESS.
Magneto cannot imitate what power? Yes, the Gem can provide Juggernaut all of the oxygen and food that he needs, but uh if Magneto hurled him towards the sun? Extreme example but, AGAIN, certainly within his power.
well, once again, magneto failed to hold colossus to the ground. jean grey levitated juggernaut yet, he still advanced in the direction that he wished to go. despite having no physical footholds or leverage. so unless he binded metal to juggernaut, he wouldn't be able to throw him in a direction that he didn't wish to go. he doesn't have enough iron in his blood for him to directly manipulate. like i said, shatterstar gouged out juggernaut's eyes, in the next consecutive panel they grew back. he also cut juggernaut from head to to with his blades, yet in the next consecutive panel, they were all gone. juggernaut say's he heals Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal fast. he does have an instant healing factor. by the way the swords were mystically forged, that's why they could cut him. before you throw some lame excuse as to "if the swords could cut him, then magneto should be able to do this". as for onslaught, it was a junk crossover, the first battle wasn't even shown. all juggernaut remembers is that he was hit by onslaught, which could imply that it was an implanted memory. yes his helmet was on when he landed, but several times in the onslaught crossover, he had his mind read through his helmet, which is supposed to be psi proof. that's just like hulk being knocked out by a python....... bad writing. also the onslaught story, dr. strange says that onslaught severed cain marko from his connection with the ruby. that would imply that he was severely weakened.
also, a little help. there is a "what if" with juggernaut vs magneto, supposedly. is anybody aware of this???? it might help one side to clarify the situation a little better. even though what if's are sometimes way off base. sometimes they aren't. they also have no barring on mainstream marvel. but it could help one or the other in an arguement. anybody else heard of it before?
man, we can go on this for days, and i doubt either of us will change opinions, about the sword have to be mystical forge to cut him, didn´t wolverine cut him once? but let´s say it´s true because i actually believe it is, you can make him bleed anyway, look at the hulk class 100 tons he doesn´t need no mystical forge BS, it´s like superman and is invulnerability when he fought against doomsday he BLEED, so magnus has also class 100TONS, i do think he could cut his head, and one more thing if he needs metal mystical forge bla bla bla, to do it, he can use juggernaugh helmet because yes he can control ALL types of metal, he can manipulate his helmet into something sharp enough to cut him half, and i doubt it that like you say it would grow back.
well doubt away. no wolverine has never cut juggernaut. not even once. his claws have struck him, but they have never penetrated. who say's magneto can control a metal from another dimension? proof? ha ha, it's hard to debate when you have no proof. maybe magneto can control all types of metal from this dimension, but who say's he can govern a metal from another dimension. certainly marvel has never addressed the issue. so who's to say it's even possible. juggernaut has regrown eyes, and he's immortal, he's even been stripped over everything but a helmet and bone. i'd say it's a safe bet to say he could grow anything back. considering he has to be completely severed from his magic's to die.
who say´s juggernaught is immortal? proof? ha ha, it´s hard to debate when you have no proof. (what applies to me applies to you). One more thing so if juggernaugh goes to the sun (6000ºC on the surface and 10000ºC on the inside) what would happen to juggernaugh, are you saying that if he is connected to the gem HIS ENTIRE body would grow back? LOL sure it would.
i´m thinking maybe magneto can also disconnect him from the gem trough magnetism, maybe not i don´t have proof of that i´m just speculating, he did have sex with rogue (age of apocalypse i´m speculating they did since they´re together as a couple) NOW that´s something poor juggie can never do. but that´s not about that we are debating.
wasn't magneto having sex with rogue in some kind of chamber that shorted her mutant abilities? i remember reading it but cant remember off hand. as for juggernaut being immortal, he doesn't age, things that should have killed him dont. even hercules *who is immortal, as everybody knows* is stated that if enough of his body is displaced or destroyed he would die. something juggernaut has survived. unharmed. i doubt magneto could disconnect him from the gem using magnetics 1) thor using mjolnir couldn't completely sever him, 2)war hulks unlimited amounts of energy couldn't completely sever him 3) d'spayre used juggernaut's own magics against him, couldn't completely separate him.
but in all fareness onslaught was somehow doing it. with only the combined might of magneto and xavier. but it was shown to be on the astral plane. so it could be xaviers abilities that did it also. he trapped "his psyche" in the gem.
as for him getting chucked into the sun, you'd be surprised how many people bring this up. 1)magneto would have to bind enough metal to juggernaut to carry him, because he couldn't hurl his body directly, even then juggernaut would burst free of it. 2) would have to survive the vacuum of space. 3) would have to get close enough before juggernaut burst free to stop himself from going in a direction he wanted to go.
even then, who's to say that the sun would even eradicate his body? it's a physical attack. he's physically invulnerable. nothing that has to do with heat in the past has even given him notice. just because it surrounds his body makes no difference.
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
despite having no physical footholds or leverage. so unless he binded metal to juggernaut, he wouldn't be able to throw him in a direction that he didn't wish to go.
LoL, this tells me you know little about Magneto. Sorry, Juggernaut is not more powerful than one of the very primal forces on earth: gravity.
"Magneto may be able to project any of these. He has also been shown creating an anti-gravity field,<<<<<<<< and presumably does so whenever he levitates a non-magnetic object.<<<<<<<<< Hence, Magneto may be living proof of the longsought Unified Field Theory that all forms of energy are related."
Not my words; his bio. Of course Juggernaut is able to be stopped when he is AIRBORNE. What on earth would make you think otherwise?
jean grey levitated juggernaut yet, he still advanced in the direction that he wished to go.
Issue and page # please?
juggernaut say's he heals Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal fast. he does have an instant healing factor.
Profile? Marvel quote? Anything? Bueller...? He does not have an instant healing factor. Period.
all juggernaut remembers is that he was hit by onslaught, which could imply that it was an implanted memory.
Dear God. You are really reaching now. Onslaught backhanded Juggernaut from Canada to New York...in real life. "Implanted memory." 🙄
yes his helmet was on when he landed, but several times in the onslaught crossover, he had his mind read through his helmet, which is supposed to be psi proof. that's just like hulk being knocked out by a python....... bad writing.
LoL, as if Onslaught was just your run-of-the-mill "regular psi?" Can also opine that Juggernaut EVER beating Hulk is "bad writing," right? Since he IS "Earth's Mightiest Mortal."
who say's magneto can control a metal from another dimension? proof? ha ha, it's hard to debate when you have no proof.
If it is ferrous-based/able to be magnetized, Magneto controls it. Can come out of Anna Nicole Smith's cleavage...he still is master of it.
1)magneto would have to bind enough metal to juggernaut to carry him, because he couldn't hurl his body directly, even then juggernaut would burst free of it.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. He does not have to BIND METAL to him. How on earth do you think Magneto levitates HIMSELF and others? By binding metal to them? No!
All good points Never....I have to respect u for using the word Jabberwocky on another thread...Jean Grey might not be able to stop Juggy, but comparing her telepathy to Magneto's power is crazy, Magneto is on a whole different level...Juggy had his skin and muscle ripped off, however, it has been demonstrated that attacks to his peripheral nervous system can stop him, therefor if u cut off his head, he will at least go unconscious if he doesnt die....im guessing he would die...Nimrod's attack was NOT psionic, or mystical, it was physical...stopping the chemical neurotransmitters in his brain, so his synopsi work the same way as all of ours, thus if u cut off his head, or damage his brain, his synopsi and neurotransmitters would be much more hindered than they were when Nimrod attacked him...I will repeat, D'spayre blasting off all his skin and muscle had nothing to do with his peripheral nervous system...in fact i think the writer got a little carried away...anyway, we see from Juggy getting popped by Onslought that he does not heal instantly, and no bio will ever say that he does...additionally that battle also showed that he had finite stamina...if he healed instantly and had unlimited stamina, he would have gotten up at 100% and never been taken back down by Bishop...however u wont reply to anything i just said and will start making up some fantasy about juggy...i think u and wolverine8888 should have a thread where u argue with DBZ fans.
i will address all your issues individually, then let you have the whopper at the end.
"Juggy had his skin and muscle ripped off, however, it has been demonstrated that attacks to his peripheral nervous system can stop him" -- nimrod simulated psionics.plus his nervous systemwas disentegrated too. as long as it's physical it cannot stop his brain from functioning.
"D'spayre blasting off all his skin and muscle had nothing to do with his peripheral nervous system...in fact i think the writer got a little carried away" -- so because juggernaut performs a feat, it's carried away, but when something truely stupid, like the onslaught crossover happens, it's legitimate. please explain.
"wesee from Juggy getting popped by Onslought that he does not heal instantly, and no bio will ever say that he does" bio doesn't have to say it, he has already demonstrated it and stated it himself. why do you dispute facts???
"...additionally that battle also showed that he had finite stamina" -- even his bio will tell you that he has unlimited stamina. i dunno why on earth you would state this in your arguement. another reason why the onslaught crossover wasn't true to juggernaut's character.
"never been taken back down by Bishop...however u wont reply to anything i just said and will start making up some fantasy about juggy" juggernaut took bishop and gambit out just by jumping out of the water.
disregard onslaught, can anybody state anywhere in juggernaut's history that he has been hurt by physical force. or not demonstrated that he couldn't stand toe-to-toe with anybody he has faced. besides nimrod whom simulated psionics. juggernaut's weakness. everywhere i go, people cling to onslaught as thier savior as to why this person or that person can beat juggernaut. it wasn't true to his character. it was a farse.
as for the "what if" which actually has no barring on main stream marvel, i found a summary of it. it actually means nothing, and the fight could obviously go a different way, but here you have it...........
"The battleground was a lethally irradiated wasteland and Magneto blames The Juggernaut for causing it. They start fighting and the Juggernaut keeps running a conversation with Magneto so Magnus won't notice that Cain is steadily smashing through all his metal assaults. Eventually the Juggernaut has closed on Magneto and Magneto is weakening and can no longer fend off the Juggernaut and maintain his forcefield at the same time. The Juggernaut keeps coming and Magneto's forcefield fizzles out exposing Magneto to the radiation. There's no need to continue after that and after they talk for awhile Magneto dies at the Juggernaut's boots as Cain stands over him."
that was what if vol. 2 #94 "the kingdom of cain"
apparently i'm not the only one that thinks that juggernaut can defeat magneto.
"If it is ferrous-based/able to be magnetized, Magneto controls it. Can come out of Anna Nicole Smith's cleavage...he still is master of it." -- nobody said it was ferrous based. there is no evidence or even anything that would make one theorize that it is possible for magneto to be able to control it.
Not my words; his bio. Of course Juggernaut is able to be stopped when he is AIRBORNE. What on earth would make you think otherwise?
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jean grey levitated juggernaut yet, he still advanced in the direction that he wished to go.
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Issue and page # please? -- uncanny x-men #13. one of his first appearances.
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juggernaut say's he heals Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal fast. he does have an instant healing factor.
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Profile? Marvel quote? Anything? Bueller...? He does not have an instant healing factor. Period. -- juggernaut has demonstrated a healing factor against thor and shatterstar. shatterstar cut his skin all up (mystically forged blade) healed next consecutive panel. shatterstar gouged out his eyes, healed next consecutive panel. thor negated his mystical energy, was suddenly able to harm/hurt juggernaut. when the energy returned he was......... you guessed it, instantly healed. i should have stated this sooner, it must have slipped my mind. --
"The Juggernaut's body is completely invulnerable. His skin cannot be broken and he is incapable of feeling pain or sustaining any form of injury from any conventional physical attack,regardless of the amount of force or energy exerted against him. He can however be jarred or dazed and has some susceptibility to sensory attacks though he is affected considerably less than a normal human being and will recover completely almost as soon as the attack is over"....... in case you didn't catch that last part "AND WILL RECOVER COMPLETELY ALMOST AS SOON AS THE ATTACK IS OVER"....
straight from the official handbood of the marvel universe. now that i have told you, and marvel's handbook has told you i don't think you should argue with the healing factor part.
"Wrong, wrong, wrong. He does not have to BIND METAL to him. How on earth do you think Magneto levitates HIMSELF and others? By binding metal to them? No!" -- doesn't matter, he can't hurl his body directly, he cannot force him in a direction that he doesn't want to go. how many times do i have to say it.
Originally posted by JuggernautFandisregard onslaught, can anybody state anywhere in juggernaut's history that he has been hurt by physical force. or not demonstrated that he couldn't stand toe-to-toe with anybody he has faced.
Sure thing. Juggernaut gave gladiator a full punch to the midsection and gladiator didn't even blink (that in itself stopped juggernauts forward momentum). Then gladiator backhanded juggernaut to the next island. care to debate?
how can you compare jean grey telekinesis, with magnus magnetism, you can´t , off course he would levitate him if he want it. Look do you remember a TV series call Highlander, they were immortal, but if you cut their heads they would die, i´m just saying this because you are calling jugg immortal because he doesn´t age, but he can be KILLED.
and you don´t know magneto. by the way did you discover that he HAS telepathy, he only use it for protecting himself against thelepaths, and can also read mind at first base, i´m not saying he would stop jugg that way, i´m just saying that you don´t know magnus.