First of all, where did I say you were ignorant? Second of all, YOU focused on Mystique's skin being blue; I referenced her acting which was HARDLY on point. But then again you are barely familiar with Mystique the character, so how would you know?
Never said ANYTHING about "blue humans." LoL, no clue why you went galloping off on that tangent hence my highlighting it and saying "you MIGHT want to think about this comment" (in other words, it has NOTHING to do with my argument).
basically because the conversation at hand was about race, and you brought up Romijn Stamos. didnt exactly see why, since mystique was blue. and her acting wasnt bad anyway, just that Mystique speaks alot more in the comics and not so much in the movies. but that isnt Rebecca's fault, now is it? also, you didnt have to say i was ignorant. its just the way that you write posts. it seems as if everytime you write, its dripping with sarcasm and a superior tone. i havent been here three weeks, and i already picked up on that.
I write with a "superior tone?" Damn right, am quite confident in MY writing ability. Any issue anyone else has with my writing would be between them and THEIR insecurity.
Her acting wasn't "bad" because she speaks a lot in comic books but not in the movies? Odd, considering it was a movie ***based*** on the comic book, is it not? Her portrayal of Mystique sux0r3d. Magneto was horrible, Halle as Ororo was pathetic, Wolverine was way too damn tall but was tolerable. And how would you know about Mystique when you just started reading comic books, sir?
Regardless, you assumed you knew what I was referencing regarding Rebecca. Difficult to discuss RACE when the comic book character is BLUE (not to mention that Raven Darkholme is...erm...German?), right?
Well this being a Elektra thread DareDevil is still closely related.
I dont think they are making a second cuase Affleck dosent want too, but its pretty obvious Bullseye got set up for the Adamantium process but really all the Marvel movies are easilly set-up for sequals.
anybody......
glad/pissed they are not making a sequal?
expecting a DareDevil cameo in Elektra?
pretty much dont care about either?
Never, the actors and actresses dont write their own lines or do much of anything besides do what they are told. its the writer's fault she didnt get many lines, its the director's fault if the portrayal is wrong, the costume designer's fault if they look shitty. granted, if the actor/actress does a shitty job of delivering lines, it is their fault.
i know plenty about comic books and characters, i just started collecting them(as i stated in another thread) but my father has passed down many comics to me. not all of them old, but not exactly in today's main stream. Gold Key, Epic, Innovation, Broadway, and other more obscure companies mostly.
Point being that it is incumbent on the actor/actress to convince the audience via a stellar performance. Directors are also oftentimes VERY amenable to suggestions that are counter to what shows in the script - ad-libbing, for example. One of Halle's most HORRIBLE lines ***in my opinion*** in X-Men (first one) was during her battle with Toad. "Do you want to know what happens to toads when lightning strikes them?" No emotion in her voice, face expressionless - Ororo is a TIGER who is VERY expressive. She was regarded as a GODDESS, for Christ's sake.
Plus she could fight, and Mystique (if I recall correctly) tossed her around? Ororo who beat the Cheesy Poofs out of Callisto of the Morlocks? Ororo who thumped Marrow, stabbing her through one of her hearts after Marrow shoved that bone through Wolverine's throat?
Rebecca acted more like that damn alien in "Species." What the hell was that? Mystique is articulate, intelligent, cultured, and GORGEOUS (at least when certain artists draw her). Rebecca, on the other hand? Heh.
I personally refuse to put all of the blame on the directors for the actor's acting.
yea...i have to agree with you on Halle as Ororo. and Mystique should have had more lines, and better ones. in the comics she is a leader, not just Magneto's lackey, which is the impression i got from the movie.
i wasnt saying ALL of the blame goes to the directors, delivering lines(as in the Halle Berry example you mentioned), emotion, etc. goes to the actor/actress. i understand that Storm is more aggressive in the comics, but the producers of the movies tried playing toward the more popular X-Men, and although Storm has a good fanbase, Wolverine, Jean Grey, Magneto are way more popular, so they had larger, more well scripted roles.(err...not in the first movie...i thought that movie was just bad all around. X2 was good though)
Originally posted by Never
Does Kingpin "look evil" in comic books? No; no Ming The Merciless type sneer. No sinister, mustachioed countenance. Bald, big, square, and no facial hair. If you painted him white would there be any complaints? Hmmm. Why no comments about Rebecca Romjin-Stamos' portrayal of Mystique?
Not understanding your taking umbrage with Michael Clarke Duncan who is black yet endorsing Zhang Ziyi who is not white (greek)?
Yup, that's why I said "the closest I can think of right now." Not endorsing, just offering. I'd totally prefer a white (greek) actress over Zhang Ziyi for Electra if possible, but she has to definitely capture Electra's coldness and martial arts grace.
Hmm, how would "non comic-book fans" even KNOW Kingpin was supposed to be white? This makes no sense whatsoever. Kingpin is a fictitious character cast in a fictitious setting, so...? No regular movie goer knew Kingpin was an upperclass, elite WHITE mob boss in Daredevil, did they?
Ultimate Spiderman? Bah, the Kingpin I am more familiar with is the Kingpin from Frank Miller's run (who, need I remind all, introduced the "grim and gritty" style of writing into comic books). Frank Miller penciled him, and I ***think*** Klaus Jansen did as well. And wait a minute, why use Kingpin from Spiderman? Why not Daredevil?
For comparative purposes, may I?
On the other hand:
Dunno. When I heard MCD had the part I thought .oO(brilliant!) I saw Jennifer Garner and said "eeewww!" Will simply agree to disagree that he is more "believable" if he was white. I realllllly wonder what you are suggesting that blacks should be cast as in a comic book based movie.
Originally posted by Never
Will simply agree to disagree that he is more "believable" if he was white. I realllllly wonder what you are suggesting that blacks should be cast as in a comic book based movie.
I think we can agree that if movies just stay true to the way comics characters were originally drawn, then there would be no issue (which is pretty much duh). I'm just saying I'm not the only one who thought that MCD didn't look that imposing. haha..actually when I first read bout him being cast as Kingpin, I bought it as well since he had the massive body, the bald head, and he wasn't a terrible actor. But then a couple of friends explained to me about the whole racial stereotype issue and that's why I brought it up and when I watched the movie, I just didn't feel him. My mistake is comparing Kingpin to a sort of a huge Lex Luthor-ish megalomanic tycoon, running the upper echelons of elite society while actually being a corrupt underworld mob boss.
I'm sure if a black actor was casted in a movie having the role of an obviously Asian character in comics, it would raise some eyebrows too for fans. For non-fans, it would raise eyebrows too if for example, the fictional story involves: a disciple traveling to Chinatown to learn from a martial arts master and the master turns out to be some black guy with a flowy beard, sitting in lotus position, and speaking broken English. He might be Westley Snipes and there ARE black martial arts masters but that doesn't mean the non-comic audience would buy it. That's just plain stereotyping, but I hope you can see what I'm getting at.
Garner still blew though. 😆 Wasn't that what we agreed upon? 😎
There is a difference between "not feeling someone" and "not feeling someone because they are black," which is what it sounded as if you were saying; moreover, it sounds as if you are promoting racial stereotypes.
I am challenging them. I am not questioning your opinion at all. Am interested in why/how you formed it.
Re: "Corrupt underworld boss" - that does not necessarily mean white. That was my only point.
Agreed...Jennifer Garner sucked. And Bill Sienkiewicz's Elektra actually does have a nice ass 😉
kingpin would have been better if he was presented training as he is in the comics. i would have liked to have seen MCD wiping the floor with 30 black belts simultaneously. who knows, maybe all of this stuff we want will be on the R rated director's cut of DD coming out next year. either that or jennifer's supple chesticles.
if the movie is based on elektra assassin, and bush wins in 2004, i guarentee that fox will drop distribution of the movie. if you've ever read that book, you'll know how critical miller is of the contra war. that and DKR show just how much he hates reagan, bush, nixon, clinton, and carter. (the president=bush/reagan/nixon), (ken wind=carter/clinton). though in a way i kinda hope they do that and update it. would anyone else like to see dubya in a paranoid state on election night, sitting in front of the tube, fumbling with the black box, finger over the button, yelling: "that kerry f*ggot!! I'm the president!!! I'll push the button cause i have the balls to!!!"
ah hell there releaseing directors cut verisons of these films?!
crap.....Im gonna have to think of some way to self off my Marvel collection to get all the spiffy directors cut versions
btw I watched DareDevil this morning on HBO and didnt change the chanel while credtis were running and saw the little hospitalized Bullseye skit. pure greatness that fly had it coming