Originally posted by abhilegendI've read that comic, you're not posting new information
Let's see how he does when he was trying to hurt Thor.He hurts himself on Mars and Thor no sells his point blank blast.
Anyone who thinks Surfer looked superior to Thor under Fraction is BSing himself. Thor went toe to toe with two worthies, Surfer shat himself trying to fight just worthy Attuma.
He hurts himself on Mars
That was it, "hurt", he didn't take any actual damage from it
Thor went toe to toe with two worthies, Surfer shat himself trying to fight just worthy Attuma.
Great way to oversimplify it. Firstly, Thor one-shot Angrir, he's not a threat to either Surfer or Thor so he more or less just fought one, who he admitted he couldn't defeat, BFRed him and then fell over and was in severe condition. Secondly, Worthy Attuma was also beating up Doctor Strange who could literally beat both Surfer and Thor by flicking his wrists. This doesn't support your case.
Even with that, you didn't counter anything else I posted, which is the majority of my post. Once again, what consistent feats does Thor have to take even 1 planet busting blasts
(Surfer's consistent stand alone feats are much better then Thor's. Thor hasn't shown he can tank or even really take planet busting attacks)
Originally posted by XLR87T3
I've read that comic, you're not posting new information
Copy pasting arguments from comicvine surely is.
That was it, "hurt", he didn't take any actual damage from it
Uh-huh.
Great way to oversimplify it. Firstly, Thor one-shot Angrir, he's not a threat to either Surfer or Thor so he more or less just fought one, who he admitted he couldn't defeat, BFRed him and then fell over and was in severe condition. Secondly, Worthy Attuma was also beating up Doctor Strange who could literally beat both Surfer and Thor by flicking his wrists. This doesn't support your case.
How's Worthy Thing less powerful than Worthy Attuma who was beating Surfer down? Namor did more to Attuma than Surfer did.
Strange beating Thor and Surfer while Depowered? Yeah, right.
Even with that, you didn't counter anything else I posted, which is the majority of my post. Once again, what consistent feats does Thor have to take even 1 planet busting blasts
You mean Surfer's blasts which are ineffective against anyone in herald tier? How about you show Surfer knocking out pretty much anyone in herald tier with his blasts?
(Surfer's consistent stand alone feats are much better then Thor's. Thor hasn't shown he can tank or even really take planet busting attacks)
Surfer busting planets is all fine and dandy. When it comes to actually fighting someone his blasts suck donkey balls.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
“(Surfer's consistent stand alone feats are much better then Thor's. Thor hasn't shown he can tank or even really take planet busting attacks)”That is completely untrue. Prob backwards if anything.
Surfer recently tanked the Shockwave of a planet exploding but then he was also literally liquified by a planet busting attack by Marduk in SS v4.
Good to see the Asgardian Fan Club still boasts such a huge number of members in here!
Always fun! Always such good natured jibing! It's always wonderful to see your heroes sodomized via message board.
Personally, I noticed the loss in popularity, as soon as the writers toned down Thor's "fancy talk". That is probably the reason.
I think we can all agree on THAT, at least. Right? Pals? It's only the loss of his "fancy talk" that has created such negative feedback?
Right?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWI completely agree!! There is nothing better than watching someone's hero being forced to wear a wig and lipstick, getting bounced from spanking to spanking.
There's nothing better in the universe.
I want to believe that things will change and Thor will soon get the power and respect that we... I mean, that HE deserves.
Alas, as of late, I have been troubled by visions of Thor, middle-aged, managing a Hair Salon.
And each time I return from hiatus, to these hallowed halls, I find that my peers have devolved further and further into an abyss that shuns the very light of Proud Asgard!
(Damn! That was pretty good!) Come on! Admit it...
"Proud Asgard!". You r ALL repeating that phrase. I know it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWSHIT!! I laughed. And, it was Out Loud!! And I HATE that!
Ass Guard?Proud Ass Guard?
Like... Proud Ass Guardians of the Galaxy?
1,000,000 points for me with you dead as a bonus.
"Ass Guard". Most excellent.
I have to notify my buddy that, as of tomorrow, he will permanently be known as "Ass Guard".
Yeah. Fine. Take the points.
But, I'm NOT DYING!!
Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean Surfer's blasts which are ineffective against anyone in herald tier? How about you show Surfer knocking out pretty much anyone in herald tier with his blasts?
In the same comic (Silver Surfer annual 7), Morg shit stomped Fire-Lord + Airwalker. Firelord alone consistently is shown as an equal if not slight superior to Thor.
Or how about in Fantastic Four #260 where he destroys a pre-jobbing Terrax
https://tinyurl.com/y7gc5zkd https://tinyurl.com/yb8s3bo6
The reason Surfer doesn't go around wrecking people with energy blasts is that he very, very rarely stops holding back and cuts loose(unlike Thor who hasn't consistently held back since like the 80's). I mean just look at Avengers Annual #11, the same issue Thor said Surfer could one-shot him where he almost one-shots Iron man(Something Thor has never done afaik including while morals off) and Iron Man still admits that Surfer is holding back
https://tinyurl.com/yby73jxz
Keep in mind for Iron man to KO Surfer, he had to redirect Surfer's blast back upon himself, which is another great feat for Surfer's energy blasts.
Or for another instance of holding back, look at the Morg fight. This is a dude who literally almost killed Surfer's friends and he still held back until the very end of the fight where he one-shot him.
Or for an even more recent instance look at Surfer's fights with the Ultimate Warrior, firstly in Silver Surfer vol 5 #6
https://tinyurl.com/ybr2477y
https://tinyurl.com/y8p7yzww
https://tinyurl.com/y8lowjh2
https://tinyurl.com/yd6mfyu4
Here we see Surfer doing literally no permanent damage to the Ultimate Soldier yet when we see them fight again in Silver Surfer vol 6 #11, things change a bit.(These fights both took place under the same author and during the same run, so it's not a difference of opinion about power levels)
https://tinyurl.com/yc77n9je
https://tinyurl.com/y85omktf
https://tinyurl.com/yckqecqd
When he stops holding back, Surfer literally one-shots him.
That's why Surfer's energy blasts are "donkey balls" because he holds back. And you still haven't shown Thor being able to take even 1 planet busting blast.
How's Worthy Thing less powerful than Worthy Attuma who was beating Surfer down? Namor did more to Attuma than Surfer did.And you honestly think that's consistent? I mean if you want to go this route I can show Thor losing to all kinds of people he doesn't normally. Stuff like failing to put down Wolverine, losing to White Tiger, etc.
Originally posted by XLR87T3
How about Morg? https://tinyurl.com/ybxs5m4l https://tinyurl.com/y9dl5ryfIn the same comic (Silver Surfer annual 7), Morg shit stomped Fire-Lord + Airwalker.
Morg had injured himself falling on the planet before that and was responsible for blowing up the planet along with Surfer.
Firelord alone consistently is shown as an equal if not slight superior to Thor.
In what universe? Firelord has never been able to KO Thor, he has koed Surfer thrice. Firelord isn't even class 100 in strength.
Or how about in Fantastic Four #260 where he destroys a pre-jobbing Terrax
https://tinyurl.com/y7gc5zkd https://tinyurl.com/yb8s3bo6
The reason Surfer doesn't go around wrecking people with energy blasts is that he very, very rarely stops holding back and cuts loose(unlike Thor who hasn't consistently held back since like the 80's). I mean just look at Avengers Annual #11, the same issue Thor said Surfer could one-shot him where he almost one-shots Iron man(Something Thor has never done afaik including while morals off) and Iron Man still admits that Surfer is holding back
https://tinyurl.com/yby73jxz
Iron man? Seriously? Thor almost killed Iron Man by mistakes and defeated him without mjolnir as well in Avengers Annual 8.
Iron man still defeated Surfer in the same annual and double koed Surfer in Sub Mariner 35.
Keep in mind for Iron man to KO Surfer, he had to redirect Surfer's blast back upon himself, which is another great feat for Surfer's energy blasts.
Why?
Or for another instance of holding back, look at the Morg fight. This is a dude who literally almost killed Surfer's friends and he still held back until the very end of the fight where he one-shot him.
Or for an even more recent instance look at Surfer's fights with the Ultimate Warrior, firstly in Silver Surfer vol 5 #6
https://tinyurl.com/ybr2477y
https://tinyurl.com/y8p7yzww
https://tinyurl.com/y8lowjh2
https://tinyurl.com/yd6mfyu4Here we see Surfer doing literally no permanent damage to the Ultimate Soldier yet when we see them fight again in Silver Surfer vol 6 #11, things change a bit.(These fights both took place under the same author and during the same run, so it's not a difference of opinion about power levels)
https://tinyurl.com/yc77n9je
https://tinyurl.com/y85omktf
https://tinyurl.com/yckqecqdWhen he stops holding back, Surfer literally one-shots him.
Warrior didn't have the planet gravity amping him and had drained his own life energy to find Surfer.
Context my friend.
That's why Surfer's energy blasts are "donkey balls" because he holds back. And you still haven't shown Thor being able to take even 1 planet busting blast.
And you honestly think that's consistent? I mean if you want to go this route I can show Thor losing to all kinds of people he doesn't normally. Stuff like failing to put down Wolverine, losing to White Tiger, etc.
And so can I for Surfer if we want for Surfer. Like a brick from Karnak, admitting a wind elemental was too much for him etc.
You still haven't shown any single feat of Surfer able to ko someone like Thor by blasts. Planet busting can take you only so far.