spider- man vs daredevil

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Originally posted by jrodslam
Wrong. More times than not, mind controlled guys are bloodlusted and thats why the fight sloppy. Instead of using their brains, they just swing with all their might and try to knock someones head off. When mind controlled, strength and speed wise, hes going all out. Thats why he swings wildly instead of direct, precise punches. Its not that hes fighting slower. Just wilder with no type of control.

Spideys not mind-controlled here. Whats the excuse?

He even says no matter how fast he is, he cant land a real solid hit on DD.

Spidey's always held back. Or do you think he was trying to off DD? Mind controlled guys are more like zombies. They don't use all of their speed or strength. Supes recently f**ked up Bats while MCed. If he'd been going all out Bats'd be dead. Spidey was choking DD while MCed. How come DD's windpipe wasn't instantly crushed? Because Spidey wasn't using his full strength and writers (and me) don't want a dead DD. Full strength Spidey'd crush DD's neck as like a grape as soon as he grabbed it. MCed guys rarely use full strength or speed

Originally posted by brainchild81
Spidey's always held back. Or do you think he was trying to off DD? Mind controlled guys are more like zombies. They don't use all of their speed or strength. Supes recently f**ked up Bats while MCed. If he'd been going all out Bats'd be dead. Spidey was choking DD while MCed. How come DD's windpipe wasn't instantly snapped? Because Spidey wasn't using his full strength. Full strength Spidey'd crush DD's neck as like a grape as soon as he grabbed it. MCed guys rarely use full strength or speed

Not in terms of speed. While mind controlled by the sin-eater, he WAS trying to off DD. In some cases, mind controlled guys are like zombies. They are using their full strength and sometimes speed, while the other is truly holding back in order not to hurt the one who is mind controlled and is trying to talk them out of it instead. In some cases, the one who is MC'd is also trying to fight the mind control and does hold back in a sense. However, when Spidey is MC'd he isnt trying to fight it. Its DD who tries to talk him out of it. When Captain Marvel(Billy) was MC'd and fought MM, he was helping to fight the mind control as well and was indeed holding back on strength. Yet when fighting Superman he goes all out. When Spidey had DD by the throat, he wasnt trying to choke him. He was trying to drown him. Thats why DD's neck wasnt snapped. Spidey was just trying to hold him under water so hed drown.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Wrong. More times than not, mind controlled guys are bloodlusted and thats why the fight sloppy. Instead of using their brains, they just swing with all their might and try to knock someones head off. When mind controlled, strength and speed wise, hes going all out. Thats why he swings wildly instead of direct, precise punches. Its not that hes fighting slower. Just wilder with no type of control.

Spideys not mind-controlled here. Whats the excuse?

He even says no matter how fast he is, he cant land a real solid hit on DD.

so spidey who has hit speed demon and quicksilver, isn't good enough to hit DD? Quicksilver has much better reactions than DD and probably speed demon as well.

Spidey is FASTER, STRONGER, BETTER REFLEXES, BETTER AGILITY, PHYSICALLY SUPERIOR IN EVERY WAY COMPARED TO DD.

yet he can't hit him? 😉

It's not a total loss for DD. I mean, he loses, but you gotta respect the dude's superior fighting skill.

And there's a difference. Quicksilver/Speed Demon just run around throwing weak punches until you get a hit. Daredevil will anticipate your every move and set himself up to win. It's really just sheer strength that wins this battle.

Originally posted by willRules
so spidey who has hit speed demon and quicksilver, isn't good enough to hit DD? Quicksilver has much better reactions than DD and probably speed demon as well.

Spidey is FASTER, STRONGER, BETTER REFLEXES, BETTER AGILITY, [B]PHYSICALLY SUPERIOR IN EVERY WAY COMPARED TO DD.

yet he can't hit him? 😉 [/B]

Why bring up Speed Demon and Quicksivler? They have nothing to dowith this. Namor has hit Speed Demon who is faster than quicksilver (or was at the time) and Daredevil has hit him. Whats your point? Are you trying to say that Spidermans reflexes are faster than Speed demon's and Quicksilver's just because hes hit them before? I doubt that. And please show where i ever said that Spiderman isnt good enough to hit DD.

Originally posted by Lord Magnus
It's not a total loss for DD. I mean, he loses, but you gotta respect the dude's superior fighting skill.

Originally posted by Lord Magnus
And there's a difference. Quicksilver/Speed Demon just run around throwing weak punches until you get a hit. Daredevil will anticipate your every move and set himself up to win.

DD's senses alert him to his surroundings. he must locate the danger, then decide how to avoid it, then actually avoid it. The spider-sense just tells peter how to avoid the danger, so Peter can avoid being hit.

Originally posted by Lord Magnus
It's really just sheer strength that wins this battle.

Don't forget superior reflexes, speed, agility and pretty much every other physical aspect. 🙂

Originally posted by jrodslam
Why bring up Speed Demon and Quicksivler? They have nothing to dowith this. Namor has hit Speed Demon who is faster than quicksilver (or was at the time) and Daredevil has hit him. Whats your point? Are you trying to say that Spidermans reflexes are faster than Speed demon's and Quicksilver's just because hes hit them before? I doubt that.

I was just trying to show how outclassed DD is here.

Originally posted by jrodslam
And please show where i ever said that Spiderman isnt good enough to hit DD.

I assumed you think spidey can't hit DD. surely if you knew spidey could hit DD then Daredevil is pretty much instantly unconcious. Afterall spidey has knocked out the Rhino etc etc

Originally posted by willRules
DD's senses alert him to his surroundings. he must locate the danger, then decide how to avoid it, then actually avoid it. The spider-sense just tells peter how to avoid the danger, so Peter can avoid being hit.

DD's senses already allows him to locate the danger. He doesnt have to stop and thinkof how to avoid it, he just does it. If he had to stop and think how to avoid something, hed always get his ass handed to him. Many times Spidey sense goes off and hemdoesnt eve know what it is.

Originally posted by willRules
Don't forget superior reflexes, speed, agility and pretty much every other physical aspect. 🙂

And it shows everytime they fight each other. 🙄

Originally posted by willRules
I was just trying to show how outclassed DD is here.

Nulled because Daredevil has hit Namor who has ko'd Speed demon. Your point was irrelevant.

Originally posted by willRules
I assumed you think spidey can't hit DD. surely if you knew spidey could hit DD then Daredevil is pretty much instantly unconcious. Afterall spidey has knocked out the Rhino etc etc

You cant possibly assume I think Spidey CANT hit DD when ive already stated that he could hit him. He cant land a strong enough hit to ko him however. Rhino doesnt have a sense that lets him know of the slightest muscle movement so you cant compare him getting hit by Spidey to Daredevil getting hit by Spidey. Daredevil is a highly skilled fighter. He knows how to take hits and knows when the hit is coming. Rhino does not. Thats why Spidey can knock Rhino out with less trouble than he can DD.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Not in terms of speed. While mind controlled by the sin-eater, he WAS trying to off DD. In some cases, mind controlled guys are like zombies. They are using their full strength and sometimes speed, while the other is truly holding back in order not to hurt the one who is mind controlled and is trying to talk them out of it instead. In some cases, the one who is MC'd is also trying to fight the mind control and does hold back in a sense. However, when Spidey is MC'd he isnt trying to fight it. Its DD who tries to talk him out of it. When Captain Marvel(Billy) was MC'd and fought MM, he was helping to fight the mind control as well and was indeed holding back on strength. Yet when fighting Superman he goes all out. When Spidey had DD by the throat, he wasnt trying to choke him. He was trying to drown him. Thats why DD's neck wasnt snapped. Spidey was just trying to hold him under water so hed drown.
Spidey just grabbing DD by the throat as hard as he can would kill him. It'd put holes in his neck.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Spidey just grabbing DD by the throat as hard as he can would kill him.

I dont doubt that.

But DD grabbing Spidey by the throat and squeezing as hard as he can wouldnt kill him either? The question is will the hold be permitted by either?

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont doubt that.

But DD grabbing Spidey by the throat and squeezing as hard as he can wouldnt kill him either?


Maybe...

But you seem to forget that SM's durability is a few levels above that of DD.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Maybe...

But you seem to forget that SM's durability is a few levels above that of DD.

In the throat area, his level of durability inst much higher than DD. But overal, sure.

Originally posted by jrodslam
DD's senses already allows him to locate the danger. He doesnt have to stop and thinkof how to avoid it, he just does it. If he had to stop and think how to avoid something, hed always get his ass handed to him. Many times Spidey sense goes off and hemdoesnt eve know what it is.

If someone went to Punch DD, he would locate the threat on his radar sense or through another sense. he must then decide what to do to avoid the action. Then he must actually avoid the action. thats 3 steps

1) Locating the threat
2)deciding how to avoid the threat
3) Actually avoiding the threat.

If someone went to punch spider-man, his spider-sense would tell him how to avoid the danger, then spidey must do it to avoid. thats 2 steps

1) Being warned of the danger
2) avoiding the danger

this isn't even including the fact that spidey has superhuman strength, speed and agility making it even easier to avoid or withstand a threat.

he doesn't even have to hit DD that hard.........look at this scan.

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Amazing_Spider-Man_32-03.jpg

Originally posted by willRules
If someone went to Punch DD, he would locate the threat on his radar sense or through another sense. he must then decide what to do to avoid the action. Then he must actually avoid the action. thats 3 steps

1) Locating the threat
2)deciding how to avoid the threat
3) Actually avoiding the threat.

False. DD doesnt have to locate the threat because he alreasy knows what it is and where its coming from. This is BEFORE the punch is even thrown or completed. Therefore, hes always gonna have enough time to avoid the threat. To the attacker, it would seem as if DD knew what he was going to do before actually doing it.

Originally posted by willRules
If someone went to punch spider-man, his spider-sense would tell him how to avoid the danger, then spidey must do it to avoid. thats 2 steps

1) Being warned of the danger
2) avoiding the danger

I also thing this is false becuae Spidey's sense would got off, but he wouldnt know what it was or the direction its coming from. Prime example is DD saving him from a sniper bullet.

Originally posted by willRules
he doesn't even have to hit DD that hard.........look at this scan.

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Amazing_Spider-Man_32-03.jpg

Dd doesnt even have to Sit Spidey that hard either......Look at these scans.


Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont doubt that.
Good. Then Spidey wasn't using full strength

Originally posted by jrodslam
But DD grabbing Spidey by the throat and squeezing as hard as he can wouldnt kill him either? The question is will the hold be permitted by either?
Wasn't Zombie Spidey able to get DD in that hold already when he was drowning him though? Spidey's way more likely to get DD in that hold than DD doing that to Spidey. Spidey'd instantly crush DD's neck. DD'd probably have to have the hold applied for a while in order to finish Spidey. Spidey'd knock his head off or rip his arms off before he finished.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Good. Then Spidey wasn't using full strength

Who said he was using full strength at that point? Ohhh, it was you who said DD's throat should have been crushed, while in fact Spiderman wasnt even trying to choke DD.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Wasn't Zombie Spidey able to get DD in that hold already when he was drowning him though? Spidey's way more likely to get DD in that hold than DD doing that to Spidey. Spidey'd instantly crush DD's neck. DD'd probably have to have the hold applied for a while in order to finish Spidey. Spidey'd knock his head off or rip his arms off before he finished.

When Spidey started drowning DD, thats when he applied the hold. Either one of them can get the hold on the other. I wont say one is more likely to get the hold on than the other. If Spidey applied enough pressure and DD sensed he was going to try and choke him, hed hit him with a nerve shot and disable his arm. It would take longer for DD to choke Spidey out. I dont think Spideys knocking off any heads or pulling any arms off because his own arms would be dead.

Originally posted by jrodslam
False. DD doesnt have to locate the threat because he alreasy knows what it is and where its coming from. This is BEFORE the punch is even thrown or completed. Therefore, hes always gonna have enough time to avoid the threat. To the attacker, it would seem as if DD knew what he was going to do before actually doing it.

False. DD may know what the threat is before it happens, but he still must decide how to avoid the danger and then actually avoid it. Its in the tree steps I just showed you. he has to rely on his HUMAN reflexes to dodge someone with SUPERHUMAN speed in this case.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I also thing this is false becuae Spidey's sense would got off, but he wouldnt know what it was or the direction its coming from. Prime example is DD saving him from a sniper bullet.

Spidey doesn't even need to know what the threat is just how to avoid it. it cuts out the middle man and quickens the reflex process. not only would it be quicker than DD's dodging, but Spidey's SUPERHUMAN reflexes increase this further again.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Dd doesnt even have to Sit Spidey that hard either......Look at these scans.


False. DD doesn't have to hit the Punisher that hard. Punisher isn't waayyyy faster, stronger, more agile and doesn't have better reflexes than DD. Spide-man does.

You say how can I compare speed demon and Quicksilver, when you are saying that DD can hit spidey cos he hit the Punisher? 😕 😉

Originally posted by jrodslam
Who said he was using full strength at that point? Ohhh, it was you who said DD's throat should have been crushed, while in fact Spiderman wasnt even trying to choke DD.
No. I said he wasn't using full anything, that's why DD is still alive. Do you get it? Spidey grabs DD by the neck at full strength and it's a wrap. He doesn't even have to hold him. He grabbed him, @ full strength that would be enough

Originally posted by jrodslam

When Spidey started drowning DD, thats when he applied the hold. Either one of them can get the hold on the other. I wont say one is more likely to get the hold on than the other. If Spidey applied enough pressure and DD sensed he was going to try and choke him, hed hit him with a nerve shot and disable his arm. It would take longer for DD to choke Spidey out. I dont think Spideys knocking off any heads or pulling any arms off because his own arms would be dead.
You don't get it. The instant Spidey applies spidey strength choking pressure, DD's neck is crushed. DD won't have time to do any nerve shots. Grab a tomato and squeeze it as hard as you can. Then try one w/just the tips of your fingers. The tomato is DDs neck. Get it now?

Originally posted by willRules
False. DD may know what the threat is before it happens, but he still must decide how to avoid the danger and then actually avoid it. Its in the tree steps I just showed you. he has to rely on his HUMAN reflexes to dodge someone with SUPERHUMAN speed in this case.

DD knows the threat before it happens. Because he knows that, its easy for him to decide what to do. He just moves out of the way. You make it seem as if he has to stand there and think about it. In your so called "3 steps", you talk as if theres some sort of delay in his reaction which isnt the case. Spidermans hand and leg movements dont move so fast that Daredevil cant see or comprehend what hes doing. If that was the case, hed never be able to sense Spidey's punches coming and roll with the ones he cant dodge in time. Spideys fast, but he aint that fast.

Originally posted by willRules
Spidey doesn't even need to know what the threat is just how to avoid it. it cuts out the middle man and quickens the reflex process. not only would it be quicker than DD's dodging, but Spidey's SUPERHUMAN reflexes increase this further again.

There has been times where Spidey and DD were together and Spidey didnt even know what the danger was. Couple of times where the spidey sense went off AFTER DD's radar. Meaning he saw DD start moving to get out of the way and he followed suit. Spideys reflexes havent shown to be better than DD in threat instances. Most of the time, they react to the danger at the same time with DD knowing what the danger is at hand.

Originally posted by willRules
False. DD doesn't have to hit the Punisher that hard. Punisher isn't waayyyy faster, stronger, more agile and doesn't have better reflexes than DD. Spide-man does.

Whats false? You mentioned "spidey doesnt have to hit DD hard". Then you showed a scan of hit plucking a train car. What was that suppose to show? A non moving train car that was already half way tipped over and Spidey comes along and pluck it the rest of the way. A train car cant dodge Spideys hits or know when theyre coming. Daredevil can. I simply showed the scans of nerve hits on the Punisher to show you that Daredevil does have to hit Spiderman hard either to render his body or limbs helpless.

Originally posted by willRules
You say how can I compare speed demon and Quicksilver, when you are saying that DD can hit spidey cos he hit the Punisher? 😕 😉

Its clear that you cant comprehend what i wrote. YOU first mentioned that Spidey has hit people like Quicksilver and Speed demon, so therefore he should have no problems hitting Daredevil. I NEVER said that Spidey couldnt hit DD. I did state that Spidey cant land a good enought hit to ko DD as Spidey already stated. In response to that, i also said that Namor has ko'd Speed demon and yet DD was able to hit him. Which nulls youre initial statement.

In the scans i showed where DD executes nerve hits, i stated that DD doesnt have to hit Spidey hard to ko Spidey or render him helpless. Daredevil CAN use pressure points on Spidey as he did to the Punisher. How can i come to that conclusion? Because once again, Daredevil doesnt have to hit Spidey hard. Spidey has already stated that he couldnt land a solid hit on DD.