serouly how am I the stupid one dbz guys if u ever seen the show can move far faster then the speedign lgith and can destroy a plant with one blast serouly I sware to god there is no one in all of marvel who could even survive a bast. superman is far weaker and slower then most any dbz guy I sorry but calling me stupid over some thing u clearly never seen. seoruly it sad to think goku who can destroy planet ina single blast can be beat bye some one from marvel or dc
Originally posted by VENOMfan
Let us compare a few hard statictics here, shall we?1) Physical strength: Goku has shown in the Buu saga that in base form he cannot (repeat, CANNOT) lift 40 tons. If we were to assume (quite generously) that becomming ssj3 would multiply his strength by 10,000x he would be lifting 400,000 tons.
Superman (post crisis from the comics, from here on out), on the other hand, is written to be able to lift 40 billion tons on average. He has pushed over a third of the moon's mass, lifted battleships without any exertion, and so forth. Superman is LEAGUES stronger physically then Goku
Advantage: Superman (by alot)
(note: I excluded any information from Dbgt because ssj4 Goku has been shown to be unable to lift a mere building. To use gt would cripple Goku like no tomorrow)2) Speed: Gotenks, (who is much stronger then Goku) has been shown to go around the earth a few times (around 7 or 9) in the span of 30 minutes. So it is safe to assume that Goku is not quite as fast.
Superman has been stated to be able to move 99% the speed of light, which circles the earth about 7 times in the span of a single second.
Goku's trump card in this catagory is his instant transmission. However, it cannot compensate here. It is shown to require two things to work, a large ki source and a moment of concentration. First of all, Goku has difficulty sensing normal ki levels which Superman would have because Superman simply doesn't use ki at all (it'd be the same as an average person). Secondly, when you are fighting someone who is physically moving past speeds of mach 10 Goku will be hard pressed to find a moment to use instant transmission. For example, if it COULD be used past the listed limits he could have used it to beat Cell (that IT kamehameha took like 5 minutes, and was far from easy), beat Kid Buu easier, and get the dragon radar when he sent Trunks.
Advantage: Superman (by alot)
3) Fighting technique: Goku utilizes a variety of martial arts and techniques derived from his own traning.
Superman has thousands of years of experience (from mystical wierd plot stuff) and has also recieved traning from Mongul in fighting and to use his powers in unison and to hold back less.
Advantage: Goku (not by too much)
4) Durability: Goku is easily cut, bruised, and bleeding from punches of those of similar strength level. His defense against ki is high, but his physical durability is vulnurable to strong hits such as those from continent cracking Superman.
Superman has withstood planet shattering blasts and hits from people HIS own strength level (far above Goku's) without showing too much injury.
Advantage: Superman (by alot)
5) Misc. attributes: Goku has shown to be able to fight in close quarters with the likes of Yakon in complete darkness through his sensitive skin. However, Yakan WAS extremely weak and slow.Superman is able to hear an ants footfalls a mile away, and is able to even feel dust falling on his skin. His x-ray vision allows him to scan through any object instantly. These allow Superman to constantly moniter the battlefield.
Additionally, while Goku can sense powerlevels it would be a hinderence to him in this fight (as mentioned earlier). As shown in his fight with 19 and 20, Goku is completely thrown off when he cannot sense powerlevels (as Superman would have no more then average human ki). Freeza also showed what kind of disadvantage is had when your oppenent can sense you but you cannot (As Superman can see, sense, and smell Goku anywhere while Goku only has sight at this point).
Superman's heat vision would be able to pierce Goku's skin quite easily into his brain and lobotomize him (as their skin is shown to be cut quite easily by non-ki sources such as blades) but because that would be out of character for Superman we'll discount this tatcic.
While Goku's ki destructive potential is high, he needs time to charge up planet destroying blasts. As evidence, notice how errant blasts constantly blow up everywhere later in dbz WITHOUT the planet going bye bye. Up against speed like Superman's, he'd be hard pressed to find this time. Also, as noted earlier, Superman CAN take planet destroying blasts just fine.
Additionally, Goku would never "blow up the planet/sun" as that would ALSO be out of character for Goku to kill everyone he knows for a mere victory (not that it'd even work!)
Superman is also able to survive in space for sometime, while Goku is in a constant need for air (compared to Superman). This versitility of Superman may come into play.Kryptonite would never come into play, as Goku has NO WAY AT ALL in determining hat it even is, where it is, and that Superman is weak to it. Also, Superman is a solar battery. His reserves can last MONTHS from when he is separated from the yellow sunlight (how else can he have his space adventures?) so that weakness would also never come into play here.
does not matter. at all. case in point Superman Prime would make Goku shit his pants if he even thought about fighting him at any level.
Superman Prime is infinetly more powerfull than ANY and EVERY dbz or gt or whatever character could ever dream of being its true and inargueable.
no dbz fan has ever stated ACTAUL evidence that says otherwise.
please show some actual legit strength or power referances even tho they will not even compare to Superman Prime.
NUFF SAID
Originally posted by wolverine8888
so superman prime can destroy any plantet he wants with out even trying.
Originally posted by wolverine8888
oh also he can beat gods.
Originally posted by wolverine8888
oh I highly dought he any were near the speed or strnth of a dbz guy
already stated actual stats Superman Prime is leauges faster and Stonger than Goku at ssj4 could ever be and literally makes Goku look like a sissy. now add that he has the last of the Green Lantern rings and the Sword of truth and Goku wouldnt even have time to think before Superman Prime erases him from existance
I would like to say that this is a ridiculous post...superman regular would be a better match...superman is over powered and boring...superman prime is just trash, i fail to see the creativity..."ummm he sits in the sun for years charging up....he's strong enough to destroy galaxies....oh, give him a green lantern ring....ehhhh, and throw in the sword of truth to give him control over time and reality"
trust me I dont care for Superman at all. the only DC character i give credit to is batman. Marvel keeps it real as far as abilities go.
but i just cant stand when dbz characters are glorified beyond belife.
I mean each episode is all about some guy with a a big head grunting for 25 minutes talking about "power levels" and how he needs to become a super duper uber sayin to beat some new bad guy who wants to blow up the earth and is somehow stronger than the strongest guy in the universe who was stronger than the bla bla.