oh sorry, i had no idea about the religion thing. im not forcing anyone into christianity, i just found it interesting. its okay if its closed though, its just really interesting. i personally think that has to be it, because all of the aging tests with the remains of the ark are accurate to the time period in which it was made. it also can be proved to be man made because of the the organic compounds such as carbon, found in the wood. yet some people might mistake this ark or ship to be too modern to be noah's ark, because of titanium metals found on it. But once again, all can be proved wrong, because it states in records and in the Bible, that there was metallurgy 4,000 years ago, so the metal parts found (like rivets) are also accurate. Now, most of it has withered away because it is over 4,000 years old. but tell me this, since the aging tests are all accurate, what else could it possibly be??? all of the information can be found on dozens of archelogical sites, but www.wyattmuseum.com in particular has a ton of proof and information. check it out if you're skeptical.
noahs ark is only meant to be about 4'000 - 5'000 years old, and yet the last really significant submergance of land was about 11'600 years ago, at the end of the last Ice age, when most of what is now the south china sea and Indonesia was submerged (the subcontinent was larger than australia before the submergance).
Most of the cultures throughout the world have ancient myths about floods. However, although the epic of gilgamesh only dates back about 5'000 years, most of the others (many of which are linked to the altantian mythology) date back to approximately 11'600 years ago. This matches exactly the time of the end of the last ice age when most of the indonesian/south-eastern china subcontinent was submerged. Also, this was the precice date when Krakatoa (located between Java and Sumatra in the south China Sea) tore itself apart in its largest known explosion so far. Some have speculated that it was this explosion that caused the hot ash from it to land on the polar ice caps, causing them to melt quicker, and triggering the end of the last ice age, resulting in the submergance of the subcontinent.
The current thinking amongst the atlantean mythology is that it was not located in the atlantic, but rather in the submerged subcontinent. It would have been at the time the largest lowlying flatland, and therefore the most fertile place on the planet. And since the vietnaam war, it has been almost impossible to scan the bottom of this region of the sea, due to political restrictions. Many think that this was the original inspiration for the epic of gilgamesh/noahs ark story.
Like eleven inches says, most culture have a tale/myth about a devastating flood
There is the historical prove of a flood of the Euphrates in old Babylonia and of ark who probably finished is travel in mount Ararat during that floodthere are no historical prove of an ark that ended its journey in mt Ararat. That proof only exsist in some religious people wet dream
I doubt that the entire world was flooded, as it says in the story. At the time, they did not know of the whole world, and what they clearly would have been reffferring to would hae been the known world. I doubt that 'noah' would have been able to travel to antartica, australia and all other continents just to get rare animals like kangaroos and penguins (that he would not have been aware of anyway).
I like to think that the original flood story mythology (pre-gilgamesh mythoogy) originated from the end of the last ice age, and the submergance of the indonesian subcontinent.
If any of the biblical pre-flood cities were known of at the time, then it would make sense that they would have returned to those cities, or at least the cities would have been found by archeologists. The only explanations for not rediscovering them are :
1. That they never existed at all
2. That people have not been looking in the right place for them.
3. That they are still submerged.
I also thing that the waters did not recede at all. I think that instead, they simply journeyed so far until they made contact with land that had not been flooded, and that the original 'eden' is still underwater.
Ash007> That site is talking about a PLANNED expedition. "Geologists say even though there is evidence of a flood in Mesopotamia in Sumerian times, it is not possible for a ship to make landfall at an altitude as high as Mount Ararat."
Oh... well 🙂
Corlindel> Yes, there has been floods in the past on Earth. But WHAT historical proof of what ark are YOU referring to? And how do you know that some of the older biblial stories are true? That the stories are BASED on facts, such as a king we know lived and some such STILL doesn't make the bible true.
So I am indeed arguing with you - go ahead and answer. If you can.
Many biblical stories have roots in ancient Babylonian myths. Take the pillar of King Hammurabi, where the god gives him the law. Said law sounds a lot like the Ten Commandments.
Beaujau1> SO do you have a link somewhere?? What remains of the ark are you talking about? What proof of WHAT being manmade are you talking about?
There are people in the twentieth century who claim they have found Noah's ark. They call themselves "arkeologists." Yes, they say that when the flood receded, Noah and his zoo were perched upon the top of Mt. Ararat in Turkey. Presumably, at that time, all the animals dispersed to the far recesses of the earth.
How the animals got to the different continents, we are not told. Perhaps they floated there on debris. More problematic is how so many species survived when they had been reduced to just one pair or seven pairs of creatures. Also, you would think that the successful species that had the furthest to travel, would have left a trail of offspring along the way. What evidence is there that all species originated in Turkey? ¨
That's what the record should look like if the ark landed on Mt. Ararat.
Still, none of this deters the true believer from maintaining that the story of Noah's ark is the God's truth. Nor does it deter those who think the ark has been found. For example, in 1977 a pseudo-documentary called "In Search of Noah's Ark" was played on numerous television stations. CBS showed a special in 1993 entitled "The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark." The first is a work of fiction claiming to be a documentary. The second was masterminded by George Jammal, who has admitted that the story was a hoax. Jammal said he wanted to expose religious frauds. His hoax was seen by about 20 million people, most of whom probably still do not know that Jammal did not want them to take it seriously.
During his show, Jammal produced what he called "sacred wood" from the ark, which he later admitted was wood taken from railroad tracks in Long Beach, California, which he had hardened by cooking in an oven. He also prepared other fake wood by frying a piece of California pine on his kitchen stove in a mix of wine, iodine, sweet-and-sour and teriyaki sauces. He also admitted that he had never been to Turkey. The program was produced by Sun International Pictures, based in Salt Lake City, and responsible for several pseudo-documentaries on Nostradamus, the Bermuda Triangle, the Shroud of Turin, and UFOs.
Ron Wyatt is one of those fellows who is able to see and find exactly what he wants to see and find. He never lets evidence, especially contrary evidence, get in the way of his theories.
Ron Wyatt's, a creationist, has asserted that he has found: 1) the remains of Noah's ark, 2) the Ark of the covenant (I thought only Indiana Jones ever found that!), 3) The true site of the Israelite's Red Sea crossing, 4) Chariot wheels from Pharaoh's drowned army, 5) The actual rock Moses struck to release water for the Israelites in the desert, 6) The true site of the crucifixion, 7) Noah's grave, 8) Noah's house, and, 9) Mrs. Noah's grave.
Folks like Wyatt lie at the least astute and most gullible end of the spectrum of "creation folk science," much like "Saint" Helena (the mother of the first Roman Christian Emperor -- Constantine) did. Helena lived about four hundred years after Jesus' day. "Way back then, Helena traveled all over Palestine and was always fortunate. Whenever [she] found a thing mentioned in her Bible, Old or New Testament, she would go and search for that thing and never stop until she found it. If it was Adam, she would find Adam's grave; if it was the Ark of Noah, she would find the Ark; if it was Goliath or Joshua, she would find their graves." [Mark Twain in The Innocents Abroad] "Saint" Helena found the copper plate that Pilate had nailed to the top of her Savior's cross, and upon which Pilate had written, "This is the King of the Jews." She also found the three crosses upon which Christ and the two thieves were crucified, and the exact spot of the crucifixion, and the very spot where the soldiers divided the rainment of the Saviour, not to mention the tomb of Melchizadek (a very obscure Old Testament prophet), and the rift in the rock made by the earthquake (mentioned only in Matthew) at the time of Jesus' Crucifixion. Helena was as fortunate as a Ron Wyatt and a Carl Baugh rolled into one! But it's easy to "find" everything you're looking for if you just use "eyes of faith.." For faith is a wondrous thing. It can move mountains and also convince you that a herring is a race horse.
Re: Noah's Ark
Originally posted by beaujay1
Can you believe it? Scientists may have found Noah's Ark!!!!! That could just confirm millions of people's faith out there. It's amazing....
Well, supposedly there was a satellite photo of a glacier on mount ararat (where the Bible says the ark ended up) and theres a large dark spot in this glacier that could be the ark!!!!!! gosh this is great!!!!!! 😱if anyone has any updates, post!!!!!!!!!!
I dont think that would confirm few millions of people's faith...😬
If Egyptian government would let archeologys dig under the Sphinks, they could possibly find something that would crush most major religious 😱
Like many people said so far, how is anyone gonna know if that was Noah's arc? Are they gonna compare pieces of wood that look like a boat, with what it says in a book written by the people who thought the earth was flat and geography of earth quite..wrong?
Oh, and I wanna know, how the hell didnt the wood roth after all this time? 😕 Many landscapes shifted and changed in such a long time, 😖 so....how did the 'boat' or the bits of the boat survive all these times...in the nature! 😖
The Omega> you never fail to impress!!
[QUOTECorlindel> Yes, there has been floods in the past on Earth. But WHAT historical proof of what ark are YOU referring to? And how do you know that some of the older biblial stories are true? That the stories are BASED on facts, such as a king we know lived and some such STILL doesn't make the bible true.
So I am indeed arguing with you - go ahead and answer. If you can.
Dear Omega:
You are beeing to much fundamentalist. And it seems that you assume a fact as and intemporal and dogmatic thing that can not change. What is treu today can be a fairy tale tomorrow. Facts change as everything. As you know about the history of science and it evolution.
I never said Bible is true or a lie about nothing. But it is a very good beginning for archeological studies and "vice versa". The importance of the old testament was enormous and still is a good source of knowledge about the mesopotanian civilizations, even before the archeological local discoveries and science developments.
As part of a scientifical and rational investigation; the search of facts needs to tolerate all the possible sources to find the true. And the enormous evolution at the XX century is just the beginning.
If you are sure about everithyng you say better for you. I am not sure about nothing so, all the information you give is precious. And even if it is not I like to know people points of view.
Thanks for "arguing with me" but in KMC I only "argue" to have funny, so better for you to find another guy/gal
Best wishes
Corlindel 😛
Ah! As I said before I am not christian and I am not creationist 😉 so..
(How you say "so bad" about everything wich have some kind of connection with religion it is better to explain to all that: Hamurabi law code was the first wrote Code of ever. It is a fact.) Just to clarify other members bcs I am sure you know all the facts about all 😛
Originally posted by The Omega
Ash007> That site is talking about a PLANNED expedition. "Geologists say even though there is evidence of a flood in Mesopotamia in Sumerian times, it is not possible for a ship to make landfall at an altitude as high as Mount Ararat."
Oh... well 🙂
I'm glad somebody has their facts straight. Face it people, Noah's Ark is not a true story. Even if you disregard how implausible it is to gather 2 of every animal in the world, the story just doesn't make any sense. Satellite images showed a shape in the shadows that appears to look like a large boat. Then again, there was a large face on the surface of Mars...
Corlindel> Why d you refuse to answer my VERY simple questions? I'm sorry to disappoint you, but you're the one acting like a fundamentalist in here.
You wrote:" There is the historical prove of a flood of the Euphrates in old Babylonia and of ark who probably finished is travel in mount Ararat during that flood . I think people must search for more information before talk about something. And: some of the older biblical stories are true and based in real facts. But dont misunderstood history and religion. History can be a the essence of religion but an arc is not a prove of nothing..just an historical fact.
And dont argueabout this with me bcs I have enough christian education to f*** you all."
So what historical fact are we discussing here? Facts are subject to change, indeed. But only if anyone can offer proof that warrants a change. And this "dark spot in ice" nonsense won't change any facts.
Why, pray tell, is the Bible a good beginning for archeological studies? Most of it is unproven myths. And the parts that are based on factual events/persons are so riddled with faulty translations (such as the one that turned the Roman Morningstar and a Babylonian King into Lucifer).
"The importance of the old testament was enormous and still is a good source of knowledge about the mesopotanian civilizations, even before the archeological local discoveries and science developments." Says who?
"As part of a scientifical and rational investigation; the search of facts needs to tolerate all the possible sources to find the true." Even if the source is continously known to be a liar?
"And the enormous evolution at the XX century is just the beginning." Which is in parts thanks to religion leaving science alone. Makes you think - doesn't it?
"If you are sure about everithyng you say better for you. I am not sure about nothing so, all the information you give is precious. And even if it is not I like to know people points of view." Oh, I'm sure about what I say. I investigate things. Do you?
Please show me where I consequently say religion is bad. It's true - I see no good coming from it, esecially when myths and unproven legends about a man and a boat s treated as fact. We don't need these culturally accepted delusions - be they gods, angels, UFOs or alien abductions.
"Thanks for "arguing with me" but in KMC I only "argue" to have funny, so better for you to find another guy/gal "
So, you give up already? What a shame...
ok, here's a question for ya... How the hell did a boat get frozen in a glacier? The bible is what, no more than... Say four thousand years old? And the last ice age was when? So, if it's actually inside the glacier, which was certainly implied by the news story, how did it get in there in the first place?