Noah's Ark

Omega:

"Why, pray tell, is the Bible a good beginning for archeological studies?Most of it is unproven myths. And the parts that are based on factual events/persons are so riddled with faulty translations (such as the one that turned the Roman Morningstar and a Babylonian King into Lucifer)."

-Ofc most of it are unproven miths and lot of them really silly.
But most of the archological discoveries in Mesopotania at the XIX/XX CENTURY were made following the old testament.
Just interpretate the Bible as a ancient manuscript as another else forgetting the religion mentions. That's what I meaned. For example:
The troian wars and the city of Troy was always considered a Mith, wich was is source on Iliiad. Of course we dont have proves of the existece of a gy named Heracles or Heitor or Ajax, and other Hellenic semi-gods, but the city of Troy was discovered...understand me...Why do you give so silly examples like that of Lucifer? You are mixing all, it seems you are talking alone and putting your silly exmples in my mouth.

"Says who?"

An actual example that you can apply to Israel/Palestina conflict: Do you heard something about the long escape from Babylon to the Egipt? Do you know something about the common roots of Muslins and Judaism roots? Do you know the history of the present middle-east and why everyone claims that piece of earth as yours? Well the escape from Babylon really happened...Go inestigate some of this.

"Even if the source is continously known to be a liar?"

Well, I dont believe Bible too, but I think you met the wrong persons on your life. Liars are the ones who use the Bible or attack the Bible to get their purposses. And you have a toleration handicap. The old Bible is just a book, an alegoric book full of information. Historic, sociological and geographical. As all, there are good things to learn and bad things to
forgive.

Omega: "Makes you think - doesn't it? "

No you are right. But where did I say the opposite? 😛 But remember that religion gave is contribution to the evolution of knowledge. The problem was when science became the primary religion enemy...But that is another story.

"Oh, I'm sure about what I say."

Yes. I know you are sure about what you say 😛 I know a lot of people who are sure of what they say too.

"I investigate things. Do you?"

A lot...

"Please show me where I consequently say religion is bad. It's true - I see no good coming from it, esecially when myths and unproven legends about a man and a boat s treated as fact."

Maybe you became an unproven legend, and some of the present facts became a Mith too. I would like to think that in future people would not think about the present as a Mith, even if the proves disappear.
Wtf!!! A boat!?! Oh yes this is the "Boat trhead" 🙂 There were a lot of boats over the Euphrates and the Tiger rivers. No mather what this supposed boat was, but if there is a boat there we will learn something with it. That I am sure. And there will be new facts to our study.

"So, you give up already? What a shame..."

Give up what? Shame?! Why? Competition is good but I use this to amuse myself not to spend my time or win anything to myself. And as you said, you are sure about everything and it seems you know what you want and need, and I am not an encyclopedia to give you all the information. So, How you like to investigate. Keep on but I hope you find that you are not so sure about everything you say.
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Originally posted by The Omega
Ron Wyatt's, a creationist, has asserted that he has found: 1) the remains of Noah's ark, 2) the Ark of the covenant (I thought only Indiana Jones ever found that!), 3) The true site of the Israelite's Red Sea crossing, 4) Chariot wheels from Pharaoh's drowned army, 5) The actual rock Moses struck to release water for the Israelites in the desert, 6) The true site of the crucifixion, 7) Noah's grave, 8) Noah's house, and, 9) Mrs. Noah's grave.

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Liars are the ones who use the Bible or attack the Bible to get their purposses.

The city of Troy have never been discovered, there is still no evidence that any of the events described by Homer ever took place. The name Troy does not appear in any of the Greek written records. If there was a major city called Troy anywhere in the Aegean area, no one at Knossos or Mycenae or Pylos mentioned it.

Some archaeologists and historians maintain that none of the events in Homer are historical. Others accept that there may be a foundation of historical events in the Homeric stories

well, I wouldn't place it like that finti... they DID found a city that matches Troy very closly

though the whole Homer-story is indeed very unlikely

Originally posted by finti
that is plain ignorance

The city of Troy have never been discovered, there is still no evidence it. that any of the events described by Homer ever took place.

Sorry to disappoint you! But have you hear about Schliemann?

Go investigate 😛 No need apologizes I understand you 😛

corlindel, ... see my post above 😛

no text or artefact has ever been found which clearly identifies this site as that of Troy, or indeed confirms that any such place as Troy ever existed.

An archaeological layer known as Troy VII, which has been dated on the basis of pottery styles at 1275-1240 BC, is the most often cited candidate to have been the Troy of Homer. It appears to have been destroyed by a war, and there are traces of a fire. The problem was that Troy VII is a hilltop fort, not a city, and certainly not the city of the size described by Homer.

Sorry to disappoint you! But have you hear about Schliemann?

Originally posted by finti
It appears to have been destroyed by a war, and there are traces of a fire.

I said! No need of apologizes 😛

"Liars are the ones who use the Bible or attack the Bible to get their purposses."

I use this phrase to explain that worst than a book is the way people interpretate a book for a way or another - and I must say again I am not Crhistian..Ummm..I am getting to much prophetic 🤨 Maybe I had been contaimned for some religious virus... 😛

it wasn't the only layer that showed signs of fire and war

"Liars are the ones who use the Bible or attack the Bible to get their purposses."

oh don't get me wrong fint, it just sounded to me like you thought it was the only layer that got fire and war signs

Ok. The excavations are still going and it were found about nine cities - with walls and gates, not just artifacts - only the future will show us and prove if it is the mithical city of Troy.

But - AND BACK ON TOPIC - the discouver of these cities happened bcs Schlieman followed a mith, the Iliiad of Homer. And that is the point and the importance of a book, or the Bible or the sports magazine, or the boat (Ark if you want) recently discouvered.

All the circunstances shall be important to define the facts, even religious, miths and legends that make us dream and searching for the true, even if the true it is not what we were searching for.

Maybe They have found the LOVE BOAT 😛

Originally posted by finti
Priest, Bishops and Popes in other words

Some of them yes another no. Dont generalize 😉 Ok, most of them yes 😄

Schlieman followed a mith

Just like the legend of Robin Hood, myth or is ther any truth to it?

Atlantis, people have been searching for it for centuries.

Originally posted by finti
more like he was spellbound by the story of Troy and his destiny was to find wether Troy was fictional or not.

Yep. It was the beginning.

I'm not a Christian either... but I accept most of the bible as a true if biased historical book... most of it.... a lot of it ties in with what we know of Egyptian and Assyrian history, if you take away the "chosen people "slant... remember that the current dating system used by Egyptologists, "Sothic Dating" was actually an invention, and that standard dating may be wrong... as several people have shown, by moving the accepted dates slightly, everything fits into place... there is also the theory that links Moses to the Pharoah Tuthmoses, and the Hyksos, or Shepherd Kings... and I went to a Church School, and our Curate told us in no uncertain terms that when Pharoah went after the Israelites and Moses, it was not to bring them back, as Exodus states, but to make sure the troublesome little bu**ers actually left... and as for animals goiung in two by two, my Bible states that Noah was told to take seven of every clean beast, and three of every unclean one...

I looked it up and it states:

"19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them."
(Gen 6, 19-21)
(from biblegateway.com)