TOP2, take a look at the thread about canon, though that is indeed the only reliable source. Point is, though. George Lucas always called the Emperor Palpatine; that was the name George had for him.
Jello- why overcomplicate? Whilst his powers would help him, why can Sidious' control not be old fashioned exploitation of corruption? Quite aside from the fact that Sidious HEADS the senate...
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It has nothing to do with analyzing spoilers. It is simply a waste of time to go in-depth into explaining something which can be as simple as 'Hard to sense, the Dark Side is'. Why look for some weird magic explanation? He just pulled it off and the power of the Dark Side meant that no-one sensed it.You do not need every single thing spelled out for you, especially when pushed for time.
I saw Rick mention they are the same people in an Empire magazine interview two months before TPM came out.
Hey I agree with you Ush. No you don't need everything spelled out for you when you only have about 7 hours of screen time to tell a 12 year story. You have to put the main plots in first and Sidious (Palpy) disguising himself is not the center to the story. I only raise this point because many many people do not understand they both are the same person. There's going to be confusion to those who don't deeply follow the Saga when Episode 3 is released. See, many people don't follow the story as well as we do. You really need to watch these movies more than once and get into all the extra detail put into it. Not everyone does this, and they know little about Sidious and Palpy, so when it's revealed in Episode 3 that they both are the same, people are going to wonder "how can this be?" seeing that in the past two movies the two characters have scenes right next to eachother with opposite roles. It's going to be confusing to those who don't deeply follow the series, but enjoy to see the movie once.
Ush, I think the only reason you're arguing this is because you already know as well as myself and many others that they already are the same person so we don't need an explaination. It's obvious to us. But again, it's unobvious to others. I just believe if it was explained how he changes his identity so quickly, it would clear up confusion to those who don't understand this. SMX 😎
Originally posted by Dirty Vader
Glad you agree with me I think. I was ging to use the scenes you were refering to, on my argument above until I realised they're not happening at the same time. Dooku comes back from Geonosis immediately, and UPON arrival speaks to Sidious. Then there's the Mace, Yoda and Obi Wan scene. The jedi couldnt have come back so quickly (Obi Wan's injury looks healed and even if it doesen't, I think he'd be getting some medical attention first before appearing. Then there's Palpy over looking the army, happening at the same time as the previous scene most probably.
This is a very good point. But to argue that a little, look at the sky in all of those scenes. It's all red and gold and the atmosphere does not change, so there is no telling of how much time passes because everything looks like it's happening at once. People may not realize that time has passed because it hasen't gotten darker or a changed effect, all these scenes are right next to each other so it all looks like it's happening at that same time. But that is a good point you made though. 🙂
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Originally posted by Dirty Vader
Loook here is what I beleive....they are the same but not totaly. I think they'll be something to do with a clones. Like one being the clone of the other.
ya know.... i don't know why they diddn't just clone the heck out of Anikin when he was young...... (palpy)
and created an army of sith!!!!!!!
with major power!!!!
Mua ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Sith Master X
Hey I agree with you Ush. No you don't need everything spelled out for you when you only have about 7 hours of screen time to tell a 12 year story. You have to put the main plots in first and Sidious (Palpy) disguising himself is not the center to the story. I only raise this point because many many people do not understand they both are the same person. There's going to be confusion to those who don't deeply follow the Saga when Episode 3 is released. See, many people don't follow the story as well as we do. You really need to watch these movies more than once and get into all the extra detail put into it. Not everyone does this, and they know little about Sidious and Palpy, so when it's revealed in Episode 3 that they both are the same, people are going to wonder "how can this be?" seeing that in the past two movies the two characters have scenes right next to eachother with opposite roles. It's going to be confusing to those who don't deeply follow the series, but enjoy to see the movie once.Ush, I think the only reason you're arguing this is because you already know as well as myself and many others that they already are the same person so we don't need an explaination. It's obvious to us. But again, it's unobvious to others. I just believe if it was explained how he changes his identity so quickly, it would clear up confusion to those who don't understand this. SMX 😎
No, I entirely reject that last paragraph. All they need to ddo is reveal that he is the same person. NO in-depth explanation of 'how he did it' is needed. It is already as clear, once revealed, as it needs to be.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, I entirely reject that last paragraph. All they need to ddo is reveal that he is the same person. NO in-depth explanation of 'how he did it' is needed. It is already as clear, once revealed, as it needs to be.
Well I guess when Episode 3 comes out we'll see whether or not it's explained. Again, no explaination won't ruin the movie by any means at all. I can admit to that.
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Originally posted by Dirty Vader
Its nothing to do with people not following the saga like you do Sith. Lucas could confirm things in the first two films without putting in that suspense.
And yes if they are one and the same, I bet there'll still be something there to give us a shock in the revelation.
I'm trying to say that people who don't follow it as closely as us might not get the whole Sidious/Palpy being on of the same thing. That's all. I do think about others rather than just myself all the time.
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Originally posted by Dirty Vader
damnit! Palpy in the Original trilogy wore a hood, luke wore a hood, obi wan wore a hood, its part of the costumes. As for the part where Sidious and Palpy are the same guys aint a fact yet, and i dont think they actualy are.
They are the same person. That's all there is to it.