Originally posted by masterbruce
oh gimme a break...Mjolnir is a glorified nail hammer and Thor doesn't use it much more than an extension of his fistsperhaps if Thor uses Mjolnir to its full capabilities this might be a different outcome...but he doesn't.
Agreed. Thor is dumb as hell and Mjolnir is little more than a nail hammer.
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Originally posted by masterbruce
not in strength...but his range of abilities certainly evens the field, and imo surpasses what Thor is capable ofyou do realize that with but a thought, Magneto could unleash every nuke, sentinel, AI controlled weapon and lock them onto Thor and send his Asgardian ass back to Ragnarok
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Hmmmm... No he can't... And even if he could (which he can't) do you realize that with a couple flicks of THOR's wrist he could open up a portal and send them all right up Magneto's ass. Although I think Mags might enjoy that, he also may be in trouble after that.
Magneto is not even close to being in THOR's class.
PERIOD
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Originally posted by Tony Stark
Magneto is not even close to being in THOR's class.PERIOD
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Whether if Thor is in a higher class than mags is not what determines who will win. But your statement of mags not even being close to it is riduculous.
But please shed light on this strategy by Mags:
Is Thor strong enough to resist being hit in the head with his own hammer? When it comes to controlling metal, Magneto's power is said to be limitless.
Originally posted by h1a8
Whether if Thor is in a higher class than mags is not what determines who will win. But your statement of mags not even being close to it is riduculous.But please shed light on this strategy by Mags:
[B]Is Thor strong enough to resist being hit in the head with his own hammer? When it comes to controlling metal, Magneto's power is said to be limitless.
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Do you honestly believe that Magneto will make Thor hit himself in the head with his own hammer? You believe him capable?
By replying with "His power is limitless with metal!" you realize you are supposing that he'd ALSO be able to pull any and all ferromagnetic material in the entire UNIVERSE, and combine it all into a gargantuan artificial planetoid, keep it from collapsing upon it self, and bash Thor with it?
Instantaneously, of course, limitless power would surely be able to make him able to move this metal from all over the universe at speeds that so greatly exceed C, that by the time he willed it to happen, it would have already. 😐.
Please, don't use the word limitless, unless you MEAN limitless.
Regarding Magneto's reaction speeds: He's coldcocked Quicksilver and classic Northstar when they tried to blitz him. So he's no slouch. But I don't see him dodging the hammer if Thor throws it at him.
Really, this is Thor's fight to lose. And the debate over how to get the stupid hammer away from him is a long and tired one. Quasar did it, but Thor broke the bubble. Magneto did it twice as I recall, but that may be PIS. Graviton did it, but he's stupidly uber.
Has Magneto ever tried taking the hammer from Thor and using a forcefield to keep it from Thor? Or creating a magnetic field around it to keep it from coming back to earth?
Magneto has options, but unless someone can show me that he can take the hammer away and keep Thor from getting it period, he's probably gonna smashed. 😗
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Regarding Magneto's reaction speeds: He's coldcocked Quicksilver and classic Northstar when they tried to blitz him. So he's no slouch. But I don't see him dodging the hammer if Thor throws it at him.Really, this is Thor's fight to lose. And the debate over how to get the stupid hammer away from him is a long and tired one. Quasar did it, but Thor broke the bubble. Magneto did it twice as I recall, but that may be PIS. Graviton did it, but he's stupidly uber.
Has Magneto ever tried taking the hammer from Thor and using a forcefield to keep it from Thor? Or creating a magnetic field around it to keep it from coming back to earth?
Magneto has options, but unless someone can show me that he can take the hammer away and keep Thor from getting it period, he's probably gonna smashed. 😗
How about Mjolnir can go through fields and barriers. ermm
Originally posted by Soljer
Do you honestly believe that Magneto will make Thor hit himself in the head with his own hammer? You believe him capable?By replying with "His power is limitless with metal!" you realize you are supposing that he'd ALSO be able to pull any and all ferromagnetic material in the entire UNIVERSE, and combine it all into a gargantuan artificial planetoid, keep it from collapsing upon it self, and bash Thor with it?
Instantaneously, of course, limitless power would surely be able to make him able to move this metal from all over the universe at speeds that so greatly exceed C, that by the time he willed it to happen, it would have already. 😐.
Please, don't use the word limitless, unless you MEAN limitless.
I wasn't implying anything but just asking questions.
It could have been hyperbole though. Just like when it was said that Silver Surver has unlimited power. Anyway, you got to admit that Mags has awesome speed, power, and strength over controlling metal. It is debatable whether he can force Thor to hit himself with the hammer. For Thor must be stronger than the force Mags can exert on the hammer. And if he is then at least it would be a struggle though.
So If I were mags, my strategy would be to try to control the hammer while sending lots of super sharp metal at tremendous speeds from all angles to Thor. If that fails then I'm lost.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Regarding Magneto's reaction speeds: He's coldcocked Quicksilver and classic Northstar when they tried to blitz him. So he's no slouch. But I don't see him dodging the hammer if Thor throws it at him.
The Northstar feat is dumb, as he literally grabbed him implying his reflexes are faster...when their not and he even said Quicksilver was faster then Northstar...which he isn't. Wait for it, here it comes...oh oh oh oh oh...it's P.I.S
Originally posted by h1a8
I wasn't implying anything but just asking questions.
It could have been hyperbole though. Just like when it was said that Silver Surver has unlimited power. Anyway, you got to admit that Mags has awesome speed, power, and strength over controlling metal. It is debatable whether he can force Thor to hit himself with the hammer. For Thor must be stronger than the force Mags can exert on the hammer. And if he is then at least it would be a struggle though.So If I were mags, my strategy would be to try to control the hammer while sending lots of super sharp metal at tremendous speeds from all angles to Thor. If that fails then I'm lost.
Thor can move a planet. I've never seen Magneto move a planet. There might be a slight struggle, but Thor can still activate any of his plethora of powers to best Magneto - including simply absorbing the friggin magnetic field that would be affecting Mjolnir, or sending Magneto to Asgardian Hell....
Originally posted by Soljer
Thor can move a planet. I've never seen Magneto move a planet. There might be a slight struggle, but Thor can still activate any of his plethora of powers to best Magneto - including simply absorbing the friggin magnetic field that would be affecting Mjolnir, or sending Magneto to Asgardian Hell....
A human can move a planet too. Just jump up and land. Congratulations, you just moved Earth the size of a proton.
Plus Earthquakes of any size will move a planet too. So Hulk, Thing, or anyone will super strength can create an Earthquake (no matter how small) and move a planet too. Now Thor can't push a planet with his own strength, so him moving a planet is irrelevant to the defense of him winning the fight for control of his hammer.
Second, when has Thor absorbed an magnetic field? You know these are not energy. They are simply solenoidal vector fields in space. Meaning they are areas of space where the divergence is zero (or net flow of the surrounding vector field is 0). So it is even more nonsense to absorb a magnetic field than it is to multiply a times sign with 4. And if a magnetic field is none existant in a particular area, then as long as there is space, Mags can always make the divergence of it zero and thus create magnetic fields anytime he wants. And this is what mags actually do when he uses his powers. Remember it is in his bios that he can not only manipulate existing magnetic and electric fields, he can create them too. Also it is not known whether the power comes from inside him or from another source. So draining him of energy implies that the energy originates from inside of him (which isn't known).
Third, I fail to see how Thor can do anything in the first instant as he would be struggling trying not to let the hammer hit his face while bountiful amounts of sharp metal is headed his way from all directions. Yikes!
1. Thor can move a planet. He's lifted the world engine and has lifted the Midgard Serpent on at least two occasions.
2. Check the respect thread, Im not gonna fish for it, but Thor absorbed Magneto's magnetic field. I'm aware that they aren't energy, but that hardly matters. Mjolnir is magic, and comics don't care about science.
3. Because, Thor would merely have to THINK "Go to hell" and Mjolnir would send magneto there.
and he'd hardly need to struggle with Mjolnir, considering his planet-moving strength.
And he'd hardly have to fear a few pieces of metal, as he's taken armor piercing bullets to the face unaffected.
Thor.
When it comes to fighting brutes, Thor fights like an idiot and barely even uses Mjolnir, against a foe like Magneto I can't see how he wouldn't know he'd have to use Mjolnir to it's full potential.
And don't get me wrong, Magneto's very powerful and versatile, but when Thor uses that hammer properly, he's a slouch in comparison.
Originally posted by Soljer
1. Thor can move a planet. He's lifted the world engine and has lifted the Midgard Serpent on at least two occasions.2. Check the respect thread, Im not gonna fish for it, but Thor absorbed Magneto's magnetic field. I'm aware that they aren't energy, but that hardly matters. Mjolnir is magic, and comics don't care about science.
3. Because, Thor would merely have to THINK "Go to hell" and Mjolnir would send magneto there.
and he'd hardly need to struggle with Mjolnir, considering his planet-moving strength.
And he'd hardly have to fear a few pieces of metal, as he's taken armor piercing bullets to the face unaffected.
What is a world engine and what does that have to do with moving a planet?
And he only lifted the A section of the serpent with help from a pulling away flying magic boat (he didn't use only his strength but the boat's power too). The rest of the serpent's body was in ethereal form (as stated on panel). Plus the Earth didn't move out of orbit either so no planet moving was there. Trust me, Thor isn't as strong as you think he is. And everyone here who seen both a lot of Mags and Thor cannot reasonably think that it won't be at least be a struggle for Thor to control his hammer.
And Thor has to spin his hammer in a circle to open a dimensional portal and then physically force one through it. Something he won't be doing since he can't control his hammer properly. He has thrown the hammer around someone before to BFR them but this is both extremely rare and old and as Mags would easily control the hammer once it leaves Thor's hand. I don't buy that "he only needs to think" crap. And I know what your talking about. But that is considered PIS by definition since consistent Thor history is to spin hammer in circle (as listed in official bios as well) to open a portal. So your argument violates the "Sufficiency Principle".
When has Thor taken armor piercing bullets to the face?
Yes jet bullets are somewhat armor piercing but they are much lighter, less sharper, and have less speed than the metal Mags can send at Thor.
If jet bullets can put welts on Thor and swords (which are sharper than bullets) can cut Thor then what do you think Mags can do. You must know that Thor's physical durability exponentially decreases the sharper the object is. Hulk and others have armor piercing punches yet Thor has taken blows from them. But bullets which have less force (but sharper) put welts on him. And swords (which are even sharper) with even less force easily cut him.
Lastly, it is logically (not scientifically) impossible to absorb a magnetic field. Its just space. There's nothing to absorb. Nothing logically impossible, even if it is on panel, is acceptible for it violates the "Acceptibility Principle". There is a big difference between scientifically impossible and logically impossible. For example, One lifting a mass that will crumble under its own weight with just pure strength only is scientifically impossible and not logically impossible.
I believe you are trying to reach now.
Originally posted by h1a8
Lastly, it is logically (not scientifically) impossible to absorb a magnetic field. Its just space. There's nothing to absorb. Nothing logically impossible, even if it is on panel, is acceptible for it violates the "Acceptibility Principle". There is a big difference between scientifically impossible and logically impossible. For example, One lifting a mass that will crumble under its own weight with just pure strength only is scientifically impossible and not logically impossible.I believe you are trying to reach now.
Fortunately for Thor, his hammer is magical. Maybe Thor actually creates a stronger magnetic field which overrides the weaker one.
This is Thor's fight to lose if he chooses.
