Dr. Doom vs Magneto

Started by demigawd26 pages
Originally posted by crazyspinz
well he shot this thing at thor and thor teleported away and later said "that would have killed me"

OK, I buy that. Of course, Thor teleported away, so it didn't hit him, lol. that's the thing about superduper power attacks. Sometimes you can just...get out of the way.

What happened after that? If I were Thor I'd teleport back and knock Doom upside his head.


and doom has taken the byonders power before, adn he could do it again

Just to beat Magneto? That's a lot of prep time you're giving Doom. If he could do it just like that, he wouldn't be sitting in Hell (or Hel) today.

Arent all of dooms machine's metal?

Why couldnt magneto just lift doom up before he could n-gage the power thingy that turns off his own powers? He is wearing a suit of metal.

Originally posted by IRTMU-Dragon
Arent all of dooms machine's metal?

Why couldnt magneto just lift doom up before he could n-gage the power thingy that turns off his own powers? He is wearing a suit of metal.

Doom's armor has been "de-magnitized" Although, considering Magneto's true power, I don't see how it would stay that way.

If magnetos power is so sensitive and intuned that he can manipulate the .000000000000001 percent of electrical force atoms give off, I dont see how Doom would stand a chance, even with his machine's.

doom is also a very powerful magician, second only dr strange, he has a mix of technology and powerfull magic, thats why he is so hard to beat.

magic > mutant imo

ok, just got finished reading that issue of teamup on-line. It is indeed Magneto vs. Doom, but there's no real actual combat between the two of them. Doom took over the world with some kind of mind control mist, freed Magneto and told Magneto to try to stop him. Magneto used that electro-chemical trick I talked about in the vs. Hulk thread to unbrainwash Beast and then the two of them did a bunch of stuff that culminated in Doom being defeated and forgetting that he ruled the world.

I will say, however, that there were a couple of specific instances in other issues where Magneto and Doom went at it. Both were inconclusive. In one, Magneto tried to manipulate Doom's armor directly, and Doom reversed the polarity, which sent Magneto flying back. But there wasn't any fighting after that. Iron Man has done that to Magneto too, but because Magneto was TRYING to fight Iron Man, he just started shifting frequencies so quickly that it overwhelmed Iron Man and he couldn't compensate fast enough. Magneto took over his armor as a result.

In the other, Doom was time traveling or something and ended up on Asteroid M. They got into it briefly, where Magneto told Doom to "Begone" and sent Doom flying. Doom got mad, activated an anti-magnetic device and hit Magneto. Before Magneto could respond, Doom got teleported again.

So all their fights were basically a series of smacks that never went to a conclusion.

did you totaly miss what i said?

magneto can controll IM because its jjust technology, but Doom has much more, his magic alone makes him a formidable opponent against magneto

Originally posted by crazyspinz
doom is also a very powerful magician, second only dr strange, he has a mix of technology and powerfull magic, thats why he is so hard to beat.

magic > mutant imo

I don't see why people think of him as being a powerful magician. He's not. The one time he really used magic effectively was in his final storyline against the FF. And in that case, it wasn't his power. He made a deal with demons to use their power. And then it backfired when he talked about how he's the best magician, which pissed off the demons, whose power he was really using, and he got taken to Hell for his efforts. Sort of Lion King like, actually.

Saying he's second to Strange is a bold claim. You're saying he's better than Loki? Better than Amora? What makes you think he's a competent magician at all, much less on Strange's level? What are his feats?

I actually did miss what you said. I went directly from reading the issue to posting. My response to you is above. Sorry.

Hmm.

I don't think Doom ever stumbles into a fight, if we are basing our assumptions on the nature of the characters. Depends on how prepared Doom happens to be.

Originally posted by demigawd

Saying he's second to Strange is a bold claim. You're saying he's better than Loki? Better than Amora? What makes you think he's a competent magician at all, much less on Strange's level? What are his feats?

sorry when i say second to strange i mean as humans go, loki is not human

and doom has empowered his armour with magical essance to make him stronger, he has sommoned some crazy shyte and he used magic to communicate with the demons in the first place.

You think Doom is a better sorcerer than Dr. Druid? Baron Mordo? The Ancient One? You're kidding me!

He's summoned things before, but never in a fight. In fact, he's never used magic in a fight. He's just used his magic to communicate with the underworld. Big whoop.

Can you give more detail about empowering his armor with magical essence to make him stronger? I haven't heard this one before.

i dont have the issue on hand but he had similar power to when he had the byonders power, but not nearly that much of it, and i think he ran out or something

Doom has definitly used magic in a fight before. Calling Doom "second in Magic only to Strange" is a bit far fetched. The truth actually is that Dr. Doom is second in line for the >title of Sorcerer Supreme<. That puts Doom in the top 10, most definitly, but not second.

ok, I could be wrong about not havng used magic in a fight. Can someone provide details?

(I'm referring to a time other than when he gave up his technology and made a deal with those demons)

thats what i was refering to, second in line for sorcerer supreme, strange being sorcerer supreme that would kinda make doom second to him (??)...

Originally posted by demigawd
ok, I could be wrong about not havng used magic in a fight. Can someone provide details?

(I'm referring to a time other than when he gave up his technology and made a deal with those demons)

I could just use the story where he first learned his magic. He didn't have ANY experience whatsoever, yet he entered the contest for the title of Sorcerer Supreme anyway. Of course Dr. Strange won, but during the battle, Doom watched his opponents and used their tactics. He learned magic then, and used what he was learning, along with some of his tech, in the fight. Strange got the title of Sorcerer Supreme, yet Doom was the only other person left standing. He is second in line for the title. Later in the story he and Strange go to Hell, fool Mephisto, and resucue his mother's soul.

The story: Dr. Strange & Dr. Doom, Triumph and Torment

Oh, ok. Doom actually referenced that story in the beginning of Unthinkable, and said that he'd long ago turned his back on magic, and realized that it was a part of him and he wanted to reclaim that part. So while he may have the talent and aptitide for it, it's undeveloped. I don't see this realistically being a factor in a fight against someone like Magneto unless it was on the level displayed in Unthinkable. And if he had that kind of power, he wouldn't have needed to make that kind of bargain with the demons.

With Prep time Doom would just slap on his magic armor to create an immunity to Magneto's powers and then just blow the crap out of him.

According to Defenders 15/16 - Magneto fought Strange to a draw. STRANGE. The SORCERER SUPREME. Doom's amateur night magic act ain't the answer against Magneto if Strange himself couldn't do it.