No questions askedthe likes of what denomination are you, how many days of the week do you attend church, you aint a .............like a mormon are you. Do you pray in English or Norwegian cause Norwegian would be dumb since god doesnt understand it.
Those sort of questions that you might expect from children not grown ups.
The baptists accepted me for who I was, they knew about how I felt about christianity but they were kind of flattered that I returned to their church every Sunday. I did that cause my friends went there and I had a girlfriend who was a baptist so out of respect of her parents I attended that church.
Originally posted by finti
the likes of what denomination are you, how many days of the week do you attend church, you aint a .............like a mormon are you. Do you pray in English or Norwegian cause Norwegian would be dumb since god doesnt understand it.Those sort of questions that you might expect from children not grown ups.
The baptists accepted me for who I was, they knew about how I felt about christianity but they were kind of flattered that I returned to their church every Sunday. I did that cause my friends went there and I had a girlfriend who was a baptist so out of respect of her parents I attended that church.
Agreed, questions leading to judgements should your answers not be suitable? Frustrating to say the least.
*comes in*
Bleh.
You guy's do realise that you are in a fruitless endeavaur which will only result in more questions unaswered right?
Religion, no matter what side you migth choose, will always collide with modern day. Man now supposedly has control over their own destiney, and the idea of a cosmic entity planning everything and beeing all powerfull is propostereus, surely if such a beeing would exist, and he was indeed all loving, why does he not stop diseases, war, hunger, ecological dissasters and the list goes on and on and on. The idea of an all loving omnipotent beeing doing nothing to save his creation and just let it rot is ridiculous, and very easily dismissable.
However; this is the grindstone for modern day religion and in this specific case Christianity.
Any Christian will tell you that God has already saved us, he did so by sending his son to die for our sins on the cross, simple as that. However; the idea of a man fending off all evil in eternity of mankind is ridicule, and impossible, how would an ordinary man accomplish such a feat? By beeing the son of God a christian will say.
this is where it gets intresting, does the idea of an all powerfull entitity who could whim his creation without sin in the blink of an eye, instead he sends his only son to die a very horrible death, that idea, is it not the least bit plain and simple BS? yes it is.
Then the Christians come in and say that God did this to proove to us his love, figurativly speaking this emplies Gods loves us man more then his own son, this is certainly not the case but its the only logical explanation one can give right? ...Dont debate it.
Religion is full of double standards, i'll be the last to stand up and say that it is an infallible concept, as it is not. However; concepts are man made, and considering we are dealing with an all powerfull beeing who stands above all logic as he IS logic, its at least plausible that this God has made it all plan of his grand scheme. This is what defines Christianity from science.
Its believing it no matter what, to stand by your faith and hold it above all else. this is unacceptable to current day and age as many of the Christians so called "proove" has been scientifically prooven thus rulling out a cosmic entitity supposdedley beeing responsible for everything no matter what. Its as acceptable as the idea that a pot of gold is at the end of a rainbow. Scieince can proove its not, however; a man who believes with all his might a pot of gold is there, will not be thwarted from his endevaurs to get the golden pot. That does not make it true because we all know there is no gold at the end, but still, its the most basic of examples i can come up with.
God however has not been proven NOT to exist, he has also not been prooven to exist, thus making it an everlasting question that can only be debated on with opinions and bias hence landing us on our current point in debate. God is, or he isnt. Whichever you believe is your choice, but no one can really proove the other side wrong, just as a side cannot proove itself to be right.
Does god exist? And did he give his only son to die for us? I believe he does, as i am a born again Christian. Do i think everyone else is wrong? By no chance will i ever get myself into a religious debate as i avoid fruitless actions which will only cause dissorder and "*****-slap" fights. Do i respect and even love msulims? yes i do, i believe that Muslims are are good people and do not mean harm, it is their religion i fear and loathe, there is a key difference there my friends.
Heck; i can perfectly understand the standpoint of a non-believer as opposed to a believer. i will not force my religion upon you, i will tell you of it, but in no way shall i try to steer you away from whatever it may be you believe. Do i think Christianity is the only way to obtain "eternal" life and joy? yes i do, however; i understand this is probably the most idiotic concept ever concieved, "lets say my way is the only way to get eternal life, but you have free will to choose if you accept it or not!" it kinda leaves no room for choice at all, then how is free will a valid point? Its no really when you think about it, but that in return maules Christian Philosephy. Again; a double standard.
In the end, i will never be ale to convince you Chrisitianity is the only way to go, but then you will not convinvince me my way is wrong, we will fight forever and ever untill ultimately one of us is prooven right.
Also note; The bible does not get worshipped at all, contrary to what i have read. the Bible is a path to the goal, and not the goal itself 🙂
Live and let live aye?
Originally posted by finti
So I annoy you, well I couldnt care less. You know you are just one throwing in arguments of feeble content without bother to read all the arguments omade by other people .
The bible used as an historical source well[B].things can be verified due to the fact that stories were based on actual events, persons and places. guess that was a part of covering those sources of yours . Many of the stories of the bible have been "borrowed" from other stories and mythologies so talk about pathetic way of collecting stories. And comparing the bible to that of Harry Potter just show who is pathetic. And I find many followers of the bible as a sorry bunch of hypocritical narrow minded fools. [/B]
You find many followers hypocritically narrow-minded fools? So do I, but I just assume it's because they're naturaly hypocritically narrow minded fools.
Anyway, back to the bible. I just find it annoying the amount of bad flack it gets. The new testement is not a lie that people generated (as then there would be less view points) it's not played around with (why would it have curious messages like the Eli, Eli Lama sabacthani in it then?) and it seems to be based on completely reliable events.
You admit that it's based on real events; it has been put to many tests, and found historically correct. But anyway, which myths have been borrowen from? I just thought that the Jews were conservative, and would avoid other cultures (like that amusing traditions of the Mith worshipers of pouring blood over their acolytes) but if you say that they would borrow, feel free. Also that people would die for such a clear myth.
In conclution, totalarian hatred pisses me off. The bible stood the test of time, and thus is a great book. If Harry Potter remains in print for a century, then we can say that it is a great series. Simple logic.
Originally posted by Ponem
*comes in*
Bleh.You guy's [b]do
realise that you are in a fruitless endeavaur which will only result in more questions unaswered right?Religion, no matter what side you migth choose, will always collide with modern day. Man now supposedly has control over their own destiney, and the idea of a cosmic entity planning everything and beeing all powerfull is propostereus, surely if such a beeing would exist, and he was indeed all loving, why does he not stop diseases, war, hunger, ecological dissasters and the list goes on and on and on. The idea of an all loving omnipotent beeing doing nothing to save his creation and just let it rot is ridiculous, and very easily dismissable.
However; this is the grindstone for modern day religion and in this specific case Christianity.Any Christian will tell you that God has already saved us, he did so by sending his son to die for our sins on the cross, simple as that. However; the idea of a man fending off all evil in eternity of mankind is ridicule, and impossible, how would an ordinary man accomplish such a feat? By beeing the son of God a christian will say.
this is where it gets intresting, does the idea of an all powerfull entitity who could whim his creation without sin in the blink of an eye, instead he sends his only son to die a very horrible death, that idea, is it not the least bit plain and simple BS? yes it is.
Then the Christians come in and say that God did this to proove to us his love, figurativly speaking this emplies Gods loves us man more then his own son, this is certainly not the case but its the only logical explanation one can give right? ...Dont debate it.[/B]
1. I thought that Heaven would outweigh any pain we have here. If you choose Christianity, you get classes to understand this. With happiness comes pain, suffering and all that stuff. It's not a tough debate, the greatest minds in the world have grappled with it and won. Try reading a book on it, for instance, the Case for Faith.
2.It implies that Jesus loves us. He admitted that God was hanging around like a cosmic mother with several legions of angels ready to pull him out. Although it seems a weird thing to say, it's not God whose love matters here, it's Jesus'. As "The case for Christ" says, the only thing that could spark him into the pain was love. God didn't kick Jesus out of heaven and make him do it at shotgun point.
Anyway, I'll end it by saying, don't draw conclutions. It just annoys most people. If you have them, hide it. Finiti really pisses me off his his absolute hatred of all things Christian. He doesn't present evidence, but presents broad sweeping statements. That just pisses me off. Give you view, and don't assume that it's right. I'm often wrong, and so are you.
Originally posted by Ytaker
1. I thought that Heaven would outweigh any pain we have here. If you choose Christianity, you get classes to understand this. With happiness comes pain, suffering and all that stuff. It's not a tough debate, the greatest minds in the world have grappled with it and won. Try reading a book on it, for instance, the Case for Faith.2.It implies that Jesus loves us. He admitted that God was hanging around like a cosmic mother with several legions of angels ready to pull him out. Although it seems a weird thing to say, it's not God whose love matters here, it's Jesus'. As "The case for Christ" says, the only thing that could spark him into the pain was love. God didn't kick Jesus out of heaven and make him do it at shotgun point.
You think i am not aware of this? Its just that so many people look beyond this fact as they percieve it impossible for a human to take that much punishment, or beeing capable of such a love, as i stated 🙂
And yes, God DID leave Jesus. And you know it.
Originally posted by Ytaker
Anyway, I'll end it by saying, don't draw conclutions. It just annoys most people. If you have them, hide it. Finiti really pisses me off his his absolute hatred of all things Christian. He doesn't present evidence, but presents broad sweeping statements. That just pisses me off. Give you view, and don't assume that it's right. I'm often wrong, and so are you.
What did i do wrong? i said i am not getting myself mixed up in this as i have seen nothing but wrong come from simmilar debates. I am christian, i do not choose to bother myself with one who is fueled by hate and dis-information. As it leads only to anger.
What's up with the Trinity? Is God one being, or are there 3 beings that Christians worship?? I was Christian, and the answer I always got was "God is God...but God is also God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit" Which is just illogical. If that's true, then Christianity isn't a monotheism. (after that I usually get "Humans can't hope to understand the logic of God!1!1!" Just another reason I don't believe in it anymore)
Originally posted by Ponem
You think i am not aware of this? Its just that so many people look beyond this fact as they percieve it impossible for a human to take that much punishment, or beeing capable of such a love, as i stated 🙂
And yes, God DID leave Jesus. And you know it.
You still piss me off.(notice my favourite word in this arguement), as you seem to want to force something down our throats, and something easily regurgitated. If Jesus had wanted, even when crawling with Sin, he could have stopped the pain. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been free choice. So if you're a Christian, you cannot say that, and mean it.
Originally posted by Ponem
What did i do wrong? i said i am not getting myself mixed up in this as i have seen nothing but wrong come from simmilar debates. I am christian, i do not choose to bother myself with one who is fueled by hate and dis-information. As it leads only to anger.
Don't tell us about non violence. Be non violent, as it must start from you. Don't tell us about it, you hypocrit. We are philonikes, and will not be stopped.
Originally posted by Nazgulinthedark
Because in life we are supposed to worship God and to do what he asks. This isn't the same as what the purpose of life is.
i dont think i elaborated much on this, so here i go.
Live - Go out and have fun. Don't sit around and your butt all day and get fat. Sloth is one of the seven deadly sins. Don't be lazy, go out and live your life.
Love - Love people, try not to hate. Have relationships. Follow the ten commandments and the golden rule. Don't lust over things and be jealous of other people. Be happy with what you have.
Laugh - Enjoy life, have fun in it. Don't sit around and mope around all day and brood in your basement. Don't be angry with the world. Anger is also one of the deadly sins.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
What's up with the Trinity? Is God one being, or are there 3 beings that Christians worship?? I was Christian, and the answer I always got was "God is God...but God is also God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit" Which is just illogical. If that's true, then Christianity isn't a monotheism. (after that I usually get "Humans can't hope to understand the logic of God!1!1!" Just another reason I don't believe in it anymore)
The trinity. I'll use C.S. Lewis' idea here. The trinity is like a cube; regardless of the seperate existance of squares, it is still a cube. Regardless of the seperate existane of it's aspects, it is still a deity.
God, the father; the judge, who runs the thing. Needs the existance of the son for kindness
Jeus, the son, what people see when they look at God, the word of God results from Jesus, like a slice of the cake on top of another. Just as impotant.
The holy spirit, love, the result of the love Jesus has for God and vice versa. Spreads out into your heart. Equal to the other two.
Originally posted by Ytaker
You still piss me off.(notice my favourite word in this arguement), as you seem to want to force something down our throats, and something easily regurgitated. If Jesus had wanted, even when crawling with Sin, he could have stopped the pain. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been free choice. So if you're a Christian, you cannot say that, and mean it.
Well i am sorry if it seems that way, but it is not the case, as i think i stated i respect everyone in their choices. This is a forum, i get to state my opinion, if it clashes with yours, to bad, but please dont make asumptions, where; if anywhere did i try to force something down your throat? What i stated is the truth about these debates, and you know it.
Originally posted by Ytaker Don't tell us about non violence. Be non violent, as it must start from you. Don't tell us about it, you hypocrit. We are philonikes, and will not be stopped.
Where did i become violent? I think i never even once made something that is even to be seen as forfecull, let alone violent.
I've been called far more worse then a hypocrite, and i have no doubt you may thnk me of worse, however; its been forgiven 🙂
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
What's up with the Trinity? Is God one being, or are there 3 beings that Christians worship?? I was Christian, and the answer I always got was "God is God...but God is also God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit" Which is just illogical. If that's true, then Christianity isn't a monotheism.
The Trinity is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Put together, they are God.
You miss my point. You say that this is a bad debate, and that being in it leads to violence. You are in it. Ergo, you are violent. According to your logic. Also you said "Don't debate it" when we want to.
P.S. Saying that we will not be able to answer it is akin to telling George Bush that he cannot deal with terrorism. Inspiring violence.
Originally posted by Ytaker
You miss my point. You say that this is a bad debate, and that being in it leads to violence. You are in it. Ergo, you are violent. According to your logic. Also you said "Don't debate it" when we want to.
I didnt say its a bad debate, its a fruitless debate. A bad debate would be matching off God vs. Satan, a fruitless debate is a debate where neither side will helm down, or accept defeat. Thats what i was taught in school anyway; please correct me if i am wrong 🙂
Then the Christians come in and say that God did this to proove to us his love, figurativly speaking this emplies Gods loves us man more then his own son, this is certainly not the case but its the only logical explanation one can give right? ...Dont debate it.
I ment that exact line right there, its undebatable. This whole discussion is a of non-violence force; however it can grow to it, which it already has. Im simply stating my opinion whilst also stating i will do no more then that.
Able to answer what? The question if god exists? Course ya can answer it, i did, and you did, and a lot of other people have.
If you are not willing to debate it why are on a debating forum?
A fruitless debate is one where somebody is such an idiot that they will not accept other's wisdom. It will not improve their mind. It doesn't matter whether we push the other side back in this ruck, it matters if we grow bigger muscles to push with.