Precisely why I liked All Quiet on the Western Front, it didn't glorify war, it showed it for what it truly was. It was men, similar in all ways other then their background pitted against each other for pride and glory. Personally all those lives were lost, and where are we now. I feel pity and greif for all the lives that were lost, but I won't celebrate a day that just marks murder and death. 😬
History is unfortunatly always written by the victorious, AE...
what about the suffering the Germans had? what did they do wrong? they got born in the wrong country and did as the allied troops: followed orders of their superiors
and where does all this leads to? SIXTY years after date, NOW the germans can go to the memorial to join in the remembrance, cause they too lost many men. And what to the veterans say? they're disgusted that they were allowed in!
it was a terrible war as all are, but to give it one sided, is very bad no matter which government or which leader the others had
Originally posted by Agent Elrond
Most WW2 movies tend to focus on the US, though there are some featuring British troops
Why exactly is that since the U.S only joined the war after Pearl Harbour, not to just help, but to get revenge really. They were the last to join, and I'm not certain, but I think they lost the smallest number of men 😕
Same as WWI.
Originally posted by silver_tears
Why exactly is that since the U.S only joined the war after Pearl Harbour, not to just help, but to get revenge really. They were the last to join, and I'm not certain, but I think they lost the smallest number of men 😕Same as WWI.
It's called Isolationism. Most of the people did not want to get involved in 'Europe's Problems'
That's not true, Canada joined because of ties to Britain from the past, and any intelligent person could have seen that the war would spread to all corners of the world had it not been stopped in Europe.
Not to mention that Europe was not the only continent involved at the time.
In fact, I'm pretty sure my history teacher mentioned that the president of the states at the time, was very willing to join in the war, but the public refused, they thought it wasn't their problem and they didn't want to send troops to their deaths if it didn't involve them.
Which brings us back to France and the war in Iraq, they are doing exactly what America did back then. You guys have no right to call them cowards if you did the same thing back then.
the thing with the germans is that although many of the german army were men who had been forced to join up, many of the army also supported hitler's views and if a big thing is made of seeing how the german army had suffered and sympathising with them, it can be seen as sympathising with hitler's views
Originally posted by cermiestar
the thing with the germans is that although many of the german army were men who had been forced to join up, many of the army also supported hitler's views and if a big thing is made of seeing how the german army had suffered and sympathising with them, it can be seen as sympathising with hitler's views
the restrictions placed on Germany after WWI were way to harsh in my opinion, the Depression was bad enough, but with all the extra limitations placed on Germany it was much much worse there. Hitler wanted to help his country. To them he was a patriot, to other's a murderer.
I in no way condone his actions, and am sad for all the blood spilled because of him. But I don't believe that the men who joined the army to help their country were supporting Hitler's actions, since many of them were unaware of what he was planning.
cerm, it's rather wrong to partray ALL of them as fanatics who would follow hitlers every single word... in the end it was just down to kill or be killed... or surrunder and have the chance of STILL being killed...
and AE... the US would have ended up fighting in WW2 sooner or later, it was the well done (as in: how they did it) attack of Pearl Harbor that got you in, but I mean, ... the only continent the war wasn't on was in America, it would get attacked sooner or later
Originally posted by silver_tears
That's not true, Canada joined because of ties to Britain from the past, and any intelligent person could have seen that the war would spread to all corners of the world had it not been stopped in Europe.Not to mention that Europe was not the only continent involved at the time.
In fact, I'm pretty sure my history teacher mentioned that the president of the states at the time, was very willing to join in the war, but the public refused, they thought it wasn't their problem and they didn't want to send troops to their deaths if it didn't involve them.
Which brings us back to France and the war in Iraq, they are doing exactly what America did back then. You guys have no right to call them cowards if you did the same thing back then.
A world war can change how a country operates. After ww2, there was a total reversal in world power. Engalnd no longer was the most powerful country and most of Europe shrunk back to isolationism. The US then became a major world power
Reason why it follows the US besides the fact that it was put out in the US:
If I recall right there were 23/26 DD tanks sent out, and for every other beach landing most of them landed, but on Omaha and Utah out of the 26 or 23 only 3 made it. On all the other beach landings they basically pushed through the German lines easily since they had the machinery backup. Omaha, and Utah beach was where the heavy battling was because of the machinery mess-ups.
And look at how they use their power ❌
But crushing other countries and threatening those that don't help. (also mentioning France here)
Come on, Freedom Fries 🙄 give me a break.
And I find the fact that Americans say they saved WWII to be outrageous, specially since the Americans couldn't even take Omaha beach on their own, they needed help from the British and Soviet forces if I'm not mistaken.
Originally posted by yerssot
cerm, it's rather wrong to partray ALL of them as fanatics who would follow hitlers every single word... in the end it was just down to kill or be killed... or surrunder and have the chance of STILL being killed...
Very true, and this can be seen in the beginning of SPR when two Germans surrender and are shot in the back I think anyways.
Originally posted by yerssot
Bagtatta, as far as I remember, they "forgot" a panzerdivision on Omaha beach, that costed them lives and precious timeand AE... remember the Sovjet Union? the commies? they became a worldpower too
true, but the USSR was all bark and no bite. It might of had a strong mil, not no economy
as far as I remember, the Panzar divisions were inland