Re: A severe lack of appreciation!
Originally posted by Baylin
I've just finished reading LOTR which I must admit I'd forgotten just how good it is (I last read it about 15 years ago)!Anyway a collegue in his wisdom diced with death when he said it was nothing but a load of long drawn out boll*cks.
He had the audacity to suggest that the whole deal would have been much better if Gwaihir had just carried the ring, or Frodo with the ring, and just dropped them off at the mountain so that it could be destroyed instead of all the unnecessary pussyfooting around the Middle Earth! 😠Some people just have no appreciation of good story!
in an age of instant gratification and a throw away society, your friend is in league with quite a many people: why read it when you can rent the movie...
and some people have no imagination nor patience to appreciate great literall works for their minds do not work that way...in a society filled with MTV, reality shows, heavily filled action-sex laden movies, it's no wonder your friend did not appreciate the book...
getting angry about it is just playing into his world...
Quick people-gather round...
im going to do something rare-
Prove
Shadowy
Wrong!
Sauron might be destroyed, but his armies would destroy everything with nothing to stand in their way.
Weeellll.
With sauron destroyed the orcs would not destroy anything-except maybe his old strongholds.
The orcs hated sauron as much as anybody did, and melkor before that.
It is mentioned in the silmarillion how melkor created the orc in mockery of the elves, the orc secretly hated the master they served through fear.
in fact i think somewhere in lotr orcs actually talk about hating sauron and wanting to live peacefully---The orcs that take frodo i think.
Well, the Orcs hated Sauron and Melkor, but they hate the Free People of Middle-earth more, and that's why they're gonna try to destroy everything that they have, it's in their nature already. 😛
Would you really expect the leftover Orcs and the evil Men of the South and East to just sit there prettily in Mordor and Harad and Rhun and Jesus know where else without doing anything just because Sauron was destroyed already? Sure, they hate Sauron too, but it doesn't matter now. They hate EVERYONE else too. They are savage, bastard evils. They are jealous of the free people, and they'll do everything to dominate, to kill, and to destroy.
Originally posted by Súro
Quick people-gather round...
im going to do something rare-Prove
Shadowy
Wrong!Weeellll.
With sauron destroyed the orcs would not destroy anything-except maybe his old strongholds.
The orcs hated sauron as much as anybody did, and melkor before that.It is mentioned in the silmarillion how melkor created the orc in mockery of the elves, the orc secretly hated the master they served through fear.
in fact i think somewhere in lotr orcs actually talk about hating sauron and wanting to live peacefully---The orcs that take frodo i think.
😛 ...they hated him yes, but to live in peace or peacefully???...maybe, as long as they get pillage and plunder and eat man flesh, then yeah...
remember this?
Elf: *watches fight* How long do you think this will go one for?
Orc: Me dunno. Me bored. Me no like fighting. Me want to grow flowers.
Elf: I thought orcs just want to kill.
Orc: Only if some one says so.
Elf: Will you follow my orders?
Orc: I guess.
Elf: Nice, go kill that orc over there.
Orc: OK
they hated sauron and melkor over everythingfor giving them this twisted existense
I don't think it matters much for the Third Age Orcs anymore. The Orcs who HATE Melkor tremendously were the Orcs back in the First Age, the first generation of Orcs that were twisted from being Elves. Most of the Third Age Orcs were already born like that...Orcs. They were already born savage, they don't look back anymore, they are ragged, baleful, they don't care about their origin anymore. They just follow what "the Eye" commands.
The Orcs and the other Evil minions hate the free peoples of Middle-earth because of their freedom, their consciousness to obey the path that they knew was right, and most certainly, they hate the free people because they are their enemy, and they certainly can be a damn good meal. 😛
agent elrond, someone needs to call 911, 'cuz you are on FIRE sweetie, you are FUNNY. Shadowy, you are absolutely correct about the Eagles, they have the same POV as the Ents. And as far Old Iarwain Ben-adar taking the ring to Mont Doom - he might have, "...if all the free peoples of Middle Earth would beg him to do so....but he would not have understood why".
And for the record, I LOVE a good story....
Originally posted by moni_v
agent elrond, someone needs to call 911, 'cuz you are on FIRE sweetie, you are FUNNY. Shadowy, you are absolutely correct about the Eagles, they have the same POV as the Ents. And as far Old Iarwain Ben-adar taking the ring to Mont Doom - he might have, "...if all the free peoples of Middle Earth would beg him to do so....but he would not have understood why".And for the record, I LOVE a good story....
no amount of goading would have moved Iarwain to take the ring...not that he didn't care, but it was not in his interest to do so...he fully understood the implication of what the ring can and cannot do...he just didn't want the bother...
for if all things faded in the end...Iarwain would still have Goldberry and frolick about in a merry manner...
addendum...I TOO love a good story...
😬
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I don't know if I understood what this current, errh, discussion is about...
... but if it's about the question if the orcs could have conquered Middleearth after Sauron's downfall
😕 they obviously couldn't... theyre following their own hatred but Sauron's command, and without a leader they are lost... cf Battle of Morannon, they all flee, killing their own kindred and so on...
but wait 😑 obviously I misunderstood something there as nobody really talked about that 😄
Ignore this post 😉
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