The Spiderman / Manspider movie debate debacle.

i seriously cannot see how you cant drop the issue about the organic thing. This made the movie go smoother. It would have taken half the movie to explain the lagistics of the web cartridges. I would have liked to seen it done, but if that small minor fact about spidermans character had to be sacrificed to focus more on the essence of spidey and parker so be it. overall the mvoies were right out of the comic. If stan lee can accept it, and even consider the movies to be greater than his vision, why cant you?

What if they made Spider-Man literally turn into a Man-Spider? Rowr!

Well it seems very possible. especially since they hinted at his lack of controll of his powers in the second when he lost his powers. I wouldnt mind seeing a gaint manspider eat a few people and tear apart some children. Could you imagine the faces of little kids in the theater as they see there hero turn into a giant beast and murder and eat innocent people on a murderous rampage, i mean i would defiantly pay to see that.

Right. I think his "lack of controll of his powers" was due to the fact that...um, his DNA went back to normal under the stress he was facing?

Actually, it was probably a whole psychiatric situation in which his subconscious wanted to give up being Spider-Man so he believed his powers were gone or something.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
sorry to tell you this dude but YES BATMAN was a coward in the first tow films.Putting that bomb in the pants of the penguin then throwing him over the wall and then going into the jokers hideout and not even in the batmobile at the time and dropping the bomb in front of them like he did? sorry buts as cowardly as you can get deal with it.BATS should have been wanted for murder at the end.horrible screen writing. The only reason KEATON looked good in the bat suit was they had to make a suit that made him look muscular because he was so out of shape and pudgy.It was confusing as hell seeing him look big and muscular with the bat suit on and when he took it off,somehow he went top being oudgy and out of shape,what a joke.at least with kilmer,when he had his batsuit on,I could believe he was muscular because he had an athletic build.skinny? what batman movie were you watching? when he has his shirt off you could tell he had a muscalr and strong build,thats why keaton never took his shirt off because he was insecure about people seeing how out of shape he was. logic has left the building for you to call this movie spiderman because thats like him having 8 arms and you still calling him spiderman,no difference. 🙄 logic has sure left your building as well. the only thing you said that holds any locic is yeah I agree with you that the batmobile from the first two batman films was better than the one in BATMAN FOREVER but thats just a minor detail about that movie I can over look unlike the major mistakes made in the fisrt two batflicks.

Oh please. Batman is not a coward any way you try to cut it. You could look at it a few ways here, either they were trying to save screen time with those quick killings,maybe they were trying to show some other cool weapons he has or maybe they were just trying to take you back to those good ole big bad bat with the tommy gun days. Batman could have easily kicked all those guys a$$e$ with no problem. He wouldn't have became the Batman in the first place if he was a coward smart guy 🙄

I'm not defending Keaton's build in any way. I just know that he looked good as Batman and he played the part the best out of the 3. Who really cares about Bruce anyway??? When it comes down to it,he's just a mask until the Bat comes out.

Kilmer, yeah, you're blind if you don't know he's skinny 🙄 🙄 The REAL Bruce Wayne should look like an amateur body builder and Kilmer isn't even in the right zip code of looking like that so get your eyes checked 😂 And check your ManSpider logic while you're at it. So millions of fans are wrong because you don't agree with it? How arrogant is that 😉

Tou-and-ché, Daywalker.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Tou-and-ché, Daywalker.

😎

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Well it seems very possible. especially since they hinted at his lack of controll of his powers in the second when he lost his powers. I wouldnt mind seeing a gaint manspider eat a few people and tear apart some children. Could you imagine the faces of little kids in the theater as they see there hero turn into a giant beast and murder and eat innocent people on a murderous rampage, i mean i would defiantly pay to see that.

Tear apart some children... murder and eat innocent people...

You can't pay me enough to go watch that... movie. And not because I couldn't stand it. Only because the idea is unbelievably stupid.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Well it seems very possible. especially since they hinted at his lack of controll of his powers in the second when he lost his powers. I wouldnt mind seeing a gaint manspider eat a few people and tear apart some children. Could you imagine the faces of little kids in the theater as they see there hero turn into a giant beast and murder and eat innocent people on a murderous rampage, i mean i would defiantly pay to see that.

I have to admit that part was hilarious and I did like his webs cutting out on him.

Peter:

I'M BACK!!!!!!!!!!...............................................................................................................................................my back

😂 😂 😂 😂

Sorry but I can't see Spidey ripping kids to shreads in this franchise but I could see him kicking some villains' butts. Like Harry thinking he's hot sh*t as the Hobgoblin showing up to take his revenge then Peter does a hulk and beats him senseless (also not holding back because he's a monster)

😆

Originally posted by Daywalker
Oh please. Batman is not a coward any way you try to cut it. You could look at it a few ways here, either they were trying to save screen time with those quick killings,maybe they were trying to show some other cool weapons he has or maybe they were just trying to take you back to those good ole big bad bat with the tommy gun days. Batman could have easily kicked all those guys a$$e$ with no problem. He wouldn't have became the Batman in the first place if he was a coward smart guy 🙄

I'm not defending Keaton's build in any way. I just know that he looked good as Batman and he played the part the best out of the 3. Who really cares about Bruce anyway??? When it comes down to it,he's just a mask until the Bat comes out.

Kilmer, yeah, you're blind if you don't know he's skinny 🙄 🙄 The REAL Bruce Wayne should look like an amateur body builder and Kilmer isn't even in the right zip code of looking like that so get your eyes checked 😂 And check your ManSpider logic while you're at it. So millions of fans are wrong because you don't agree with it? How arrogant is that 😉

thanks for shooting down your own arguments for me. 😄 you just said that BATMAN would not have become BATMAN in the first place if he was a coward,"THATS" why this movie betrayed his character and the comics because your too blind to see how horribly written this film is and that that was indeed a cowardly act of his and that it was also a cowardly act to put that bomb in the penguins goons pants. 🙄 Just like with sonys manspider franchise,you blindly defend their stupid mistakes and are forever the apologist for their stupid mistakes and shortcomings. trying to show cool weapons? uh that could easily have been accomplished with him shooting down the door like the batmobile did,but that was completely pointless and unforgiveable dropping the bomb in front of them in such cowardly fashion.Your too close minded obviously though to see that was a cowardly act of his sense his life was never in danger so I can see you cannot be reasoned with on that.Batman could EASLIY have dropped one of his knockout gas containers in front of them and left them for the police,no need to act like a coward and kill them in such cowardly fashion.Maybe KIlmer doesnt have the physique of Arnold Schwarzenneger but at least people could believe it when he put on the suit and looked muscular because he at least had an athlectic build,something Keaton did not.Kilmer never got to do much as Batman and he was never really given a chance because he had a bad script to work woth with such corny lines as ITS THE CAR RIGHT,CHICKS DIG THE CAR? but the times that he had serious lines as BATMAN such as when he was giving the riddler the riddle,he did a good jod with and did a great job as Bruce Wayne which is where he got to show his acting skills the most.So of the 3,Kilmer was the best batman yet.The next BATMAN, batman fans will at least be able to take serious because CHRISTIAN BALE unlike keaton physically fits the role.PUNKY HERMY is in total agreement with me that Keaton was a horrible choice for the role because of how physically wrong he was for the part of Bruce Wayne.People like me,punky hermy,bakerboy and many others I have spoken to over the years would not be so pissed about the first two batman films like we are if keaton wasnt such a horrible choice for the role because of how physically wrong he was for the part.So many batman fans like the others I have mentioned besides myself hated the first two films because Keaton was such a horrible choice for the role because he didnt even come close to fiting the role of bruce wayne.geez how hard is that to understand? sheesh.

You are clearly living in denial if you cant admit that was a cowardly act of his to drop the bomb in front of the jokers goons.so you are blind on that account just like you are in the fact that there has not been a spiderman movie made and you are too blind to see that the character you saw was manspider.Your blind like so many other millions who have read the comics in the fact that you like many here cant distinguish spiderman from manspider so I can see reasoning with you on that is hopeless as well. yes the sad fact is the majority of society is ignorant,thats something I have always known for years.there are a few people out there with logic and common sense like BAKERBOY,SEPTEMBER RAIN,XEM AND DARK VENGENCE that understand what I am talking about,but the majority of society is ignorant,thats a plain fact.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
thanks for shooting down your own arguments for me. 😄 you just said that BATMAN would not have become BATMAN in the first place if he was a coward,"THATS" why this movie betrayed his character and the comics because your too blind to see how horribly written this film is and that that was indeed a cowardly act of his and that it was also a cowardly act to put that bomb in the penguins goons pants. 🙄 Just like with sonys manspider franchise,you blindly defend their stupid mistakes and are forever the apologist for their stupid mistakes and shortcomings. trying to show cool weapons? uh that could easily have been accomplished with him shooting down the door like the batmobile did,but that was completely pointless and unforgiveable dropping the bomb in front of them in such cowardly fashion.Your too close minded obviously though to see that was a cowardly act of his sense his life was never in danger so I can see you cannot be reasoned with on that.Batman could EASLIY have dropped one of his knockout gas containers in front of them and left them for the police,no need to act like a coward and kill them in such cowardly fashion.Maybe KIlmer doesnt have the physique of Arnold Schwarzenneger but at least people could believe it when he put on the suit and looked muscular because he at least had an athlectic build,something Keaton did not.Kilmer never got to do much as Batman and he was never really given a chance because he had a bad script to work woth with such corny lines as ITS THE CAR RIGHT,CHICKS DIG THE CAR? but the times that he had serious lines as BATMAN such as when he was giving the riddler the riddle,he did a good jod with and did a great job as Bruce Wayne which is where he got to show his acting skills the most.So of the 3,Kilmer was the best batman yet.The next BATMAN, batman fans will at least be able to take serious because CHRISTIAN BALE unlike keaton physically fits the role.PUNKY HERMY is in total agreement with me that Keaton was a horrible choice for the role because of how physically wrong he was for the part of Bruce Wayne.People like me,punky hermy,bakerboy and many others I have spoken to over the years would not be so pissed about the first two batman films like we are if keaton wasnt such a horrible choice for the role because of how physically wrong he was for the part.So many batman fans like the others I have mentioned besides myself hated the first two films because Keaton was such a horrible choice for the role because he didnt even come close to fiting the role of bruce wayne.geez how hard is that to understand? sheesh.

You are clearly living in denial if you cant admit that was a cowardly act of his to drop the bomb in front of the jokers goons.so you are blind on that account just like you are in the fact that there has not been a spiderman movie made and you are too blind to see that the character you saw was manspider.Your blind like so many other millions who have read the comics in the fact that you like many here cant distinguish spiderman from manspider so I can see reasoning with you on that is hopeless as well. yes the sad fact is the majority of society is ignorant,thats something I have always known for years.there are a few people out there with logic and common sense like BAKERBOY,SEPTEMBER RAIN,XEM AND DARK VENGENCE that understand what I am talking about,but the majority of society is ignorant,thats a plain fact.

The only reason I keep this up is because you humor me so. What was the purpose of naming all of your buddies on here and putting their names in bold print? Are they DC and Marvel comics authorities?? No, they're just fans like you and I. Punky is cool and she is obcessed over the animated series...........nothing wrong with that. Do you need that much "back up" for this "Debate Debacle"? I come alone and I promise I won't drop a bat bomb on you in a cowardly fashion (heavy sarcasm) 🙄

Batman fears noone and he's not a coward. Batman has options. A coward would kill because he has no other option. Batman deals with so many lowly thugs (with ease) that he can afford to blow up a few and he has nothing to prove. He could have stepped out of his car and beat them all senseless if he wanted. Personally I liked it because it showed his human side as we are all flawed. So is the Punisher a coward? BTW, my statements help your arguments in no way. You say the Bat's actions were unforgiveable yet box office figures seem to disagree. If all of these films are sooo wrong then you should go to Hollywood since you're sooo right. I mean if they're all wrong and make millions, just think how much you could make for being right (heavy sarcasm again).

Sorry but Kilmer is just scrawny compared to what Batman's true build should be. I mean if you're sculpting a costume onto a stick figure, of course you're going to have a better chance of making him look right. 🙄 Kilmer= Keaton wannabe............NEXT!!! BTW, i'm rooting for Bale all the way.

Sorry again but you're the blind one and you know what? you'll never be happy with any of these films whether they were accurate or not. Your best bet would be to keep using your movie ticket money for comic books. Apologist? me? no, you're just ungrateful and that's pretty sad 🙁

Originally posted by Daywalker
Batman fears noone and he's not a coward. Batman has options. A coward would kill because he has no other option. Batman deals with so many lowly thugs (with ease) that he can afford to blow up a few and he has nothing to prove

So what you're saying is that Batman could have easily dealt with them, nonlethally, but instead chose to kill dozens of low-level thugs to ... what? Save time? Frankly, I think that casts him in a poorer light than if he couldn't deal with them nonlethally. At least then he'd have an excuse of sorts.

Actually, he does have something to prove: that he isn't a murderer. Unfortunately, he never manages to prove that in any of the movies, except maybe the last one.

How did the discussion of organic webshooters lead to Batman? Wait, don't answer that...

Originally posted by Gregory
So what you're saying is that Batman could have easily dealt with them, nonlethally, but instead chose to kill dozens of low-level thugs to ... what? Save time? Frankly, I think that casts him in a poorer light than if he couldn't deal with them nonlethally. At least then he'd have an excuse of sorts.

Actually, he does have something to prove: that he isn't a murderer. Unfortunately, he never manages to prove that in any of the movies, except maybe the last one.

Seeing him kill a few thugs didn't change my opinion of him at all. To me that was a small insignificant part of the movie similar to organic webbing. It's just a movie "based on" the character and i'm sure the comics will stay true to the essense of Batman.

All 4 movies had their little issues but the first 2 were still the best.

Originally posted by FeceMan
How did the discussion of organic webshooters lead to Batman? Wait, don't answer that...

I'll answer 😄 It's kind of my fault. People were b**ching about such a small change like organic webbing and I mentioned how my favorite character (Batman) was running around in a rubber suit with nipples and Spidey fans should be grateful that's all they did to Spider-Man.

Well that and you know after awhile, threads lose their direction with repetition.

I know; it was a joke. You probably couldn't understand it nor did you think it was funny because I cannot inflect my tone.

About the man spider movies, only the untrue spider man fans, the man spider fans and the people brainwashed by sony could see what a betrayal are those stupid man spider movies, beasides very bad movies , with terrible scripts and awful filmaking. Im with mr Parker here totally.

About the batman movies, daywalker, really maybe we arent dc or marvel experts, but you are all but not a true batman fan, because if you have said that Keaton was a great batman, you dont know anything about batman. Who on hell could you say that bruce wayne isnt importan in the batman stories? Saying that you have prooved that you know anything abou the character. Bruce wayne is equal with batman in the batman stories. We couldnt imagine the batman stories without bruce and alfred relationship, bruce rememering his parents and their muder, his motivations, his past, etc, etc. Bruce wayne is everything in batman, not just a mask for batman. For that reason , i want to see Bruce Wayne accuratly portrayed in the movies, not just a middle aged guy , almost bald, short, pudgy, out of sharpe and trying to look dumb and coping Chris Reeve's Clark Kents. Beasides to be a supporting character for the villains. That was all in the Burton Movies.

Originally posted by bakerboy
About the man spider movies, only the untrue spider man fans, the man spider fans and the people brainwashed by sony could see what a betrayal are those stupid man spider movies, beasides very bad movies , with terrible scripts and awful filmaking. Im with mr Parker here totally.

About the batman movies, daywalker, really maybe we arent dc or marvel experts, but you are all but not a true batman fan, because if you have said that Keaton was a great batman, you dont know anything about batman. Who on hell could you say that bruce wayne isnt importan in the batman stories? Saying that you have prooved that you know anything abou the character. Bruce wayne is equal with batman in the batman stories. We couldnt imagine the batman stories without bruce and alfred relationship, bruce rememering his parents and their muder, his motivations, his past, etc, etc. Bruce wayne is everything in batman, not just a mask for batman. For that reason , i want to see Bruce Wayne accuratly portrayed in the movies, not just a middle aged guy , almost bald, short, pudgy, out of sharpe and trying to look dumb and coping Chris Reeve's Clark Kents. Beasides to be a supporting character for the villains. That was all in the Burton Movies.

Ok, I barely understood what you were trying to say due to all of the type-os but i'll try to reply anyway.

First of all, i'm not choosing sides and don't really care who's with or against me on this. It's just that "Mr Parker" decided to put all of your names in bold print like you were all Marvel/DC authorities. The fact is none of us are. We're just fans with varying opinions.

There are many different portrayals of Bruce Wayne and I prefer the one Keaton played because he had more charisma than the others. Kilmer was a Keaton wannabe and Clooney just acted like himself. I am more of a batfan than you know and some other mediocre fan cannot take that away from me. If you know anything about Batman, you'd know that Bruce is only a mask and Batman is the true identity. They just recently started trying to give the Wayne character more depth just to add to the stories. Yeah, yeah, what happened to Bruce is key in the creation of Batman but nothing more. Truthfully Alfred is more interesting than Bruce because Alfred has watched Bruce become the Batman so you get the story from him not Bruce.

Just another fan trying to tell another fan that he's not a real fan. You guys need to get off of your soap boxes 🙄 Geeze, let me see, so there's only roughly 8-10 true Spider-Man fans out there? Riiiight 🙄

Here's to Michael Keaton,organic webbing and the self proclaimed Spider-Man experts cheers

There is a simple answer to all this pointless debating:

If you think he's "Man-Spider", don't see the movies and continue to piss and moan.

If you think he's "Spider-Man", go see the movies and be happy with organic webshooters.

Ok, I barely understood what you were trying to say due to all of the type-os but i'll try to reply anyway.

That's a problem I have, too.

Originally posted by Daywalker
Here's to Michael Keaton,organic webbing and the self proclaimed Spider-Man experts cheers

F*CKIN A!! I'll toast to that. cheers 🍺