oK, daywalker. My first laguaje isnt english , because of that my english isnt very good, but ill tray to explain better. What i said is you are everything but no a batman fan or a spider man fan. Because saying that bruce is only a mask for batman is just ridiculous and lame. In 65 years of batman story, Bruce Wayne has been always a key part in the story, and the real guy is Bruce Wayne, not batman. The mask is batman. The guy birth and grown and become older as bruce wayne, he is the real person , bruce wayne, batman is only a secret identity to punish the criminals. Is Bruce acting like a airhead playboy in the parties? surely, but batman is the reflextion of the real bruce wayne. Batman is the mask, but wayne is the person. What you see on batman, is what bruce is in reality. If you claim to be a real batman fan, you should know that. But saying your stuff and liking keaton as bruce wayne and the burton movies doesnt say too much of you as a batman fan. I didnt like Keaton, Kilmer or Clooney as batman or bruce wayne. Keaton was only an small guy trying to be batman, the oppositte to batman or bruce wayne, a terrible fighter and a total joke as bruce wayne. His only merit was his voice change in the two characters. Kilmer isnt an roman god, but he looked more as batman than keaton, althought i think that his performance was too weak as the two characters. Clooney was only playing himself . But please, what Keaton's charisma is you talking about? have you seen the same movies than me? because in those movies directed by tim burton, batman was only a supporting character to the villains. Nicholson erased keaton in all his scenes with him, as well Michelle Pfeiffer( what i think that was the best thing in the batman movies) in batman returns. There werent any development in the batman or in the bruce wayne character, absolutely nothing, because all the things were about the joker, the penguin and catwoman. Even Max Srheck was more developed than batman or Wayne. And keaton acting was only a bad copy of Christopher Reeve as Clark Kent in the superman movies. And that is charisma? please, you must be joking.
And about the man spider movies, any true spider man fan could see what a betrayal to the characters that Stan Lee created are. But the man spider fans will keep kissing the ass of sony because there are a guy with a spider man costume on screen. So sad. 🙄