Who is the most powerful Anime character ever?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, because using that logic, there would be no way to prove that planets in the DBU can't be destroyed with only the energy of a hand grenade in real life.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Also, trying to destroy the universe one planet at a time would be like trying to destroy the earth one spoonful of dirt at a time.

In fact, it would be even more ridiculous than that.

Even before you finished with one galaxy, the first planets you had destroyed would have already reformed into new planets due to gravity.

That's uncalled for. Of course logic may not apply in anime, but it's interesting to see it used all the same.

Ryoga with that one smily face drawn on his torsoe.

The battle mark of the gods. LMAO. 😆

Originally posted by Remulous
Yeah, I was senceing that comeing too. As long as you like DBZ you'll be a fanboy and as long as people hate DBU they will never win. I've come to realize that convencing a "we hate DBU crowd" that DBU is the strongest is pointless and useless, even thoe in that show the underdog is the badest man in the universe. As long as majority knows thats all that matters.

I don't know about everybody else, But, I don't hate DBU. But, you guys are acting like real fanboys, your giving goku abilities he's NEVER displayed. According to you guy's, goku and friends can defeat high level cosmics, how? When we tell you this, you assume were haters, that's Real Obnoxious.

Basically youre saying goku is the strongest because you like him, That's what you call bias.

Originally posted by calvs
Are you on drugs?

If you're claiming that normal physics don't apply in fiction, and the characteristics of the universe are different, then they could be anything, so it would be impossible to prove anything at all about their power.

If you want to state that a planet in the DBU is just as difficult to destroy as a planet in real life, then you have to accept that other things that are true in real life are also true in the DBU, unless it's specifically shown that they're not.

That is why you would destroy stars instead of planets, genius.

Yet no one in the DBU has ever demonstrated the power to destroy a star.....

Just for reference, a list of astronomical objects destroyed canonically in the manga:

- Earth's moon (twice, once by Roshi and once by Picollo)
- Planet Vegeta (destroyed by Frieza, never stated how)
- Planet Namek (destroyed by Frieza)
- King Kai's planet (destroyed by Cell's self - destruct)
- An unknown number of planets (destroyed by Majin Buu, different translations state either "several hundred" or simply "many)
- Earth (destroyed by Majin Buu)
- Several other planets (destroyed by Majin Buu before he came to the afterlife to fight Goku and Vegeta)

No stars there. Remember, the movies and anime fillers are not canon.

EDIT: Even if they could destroy stars, it would still take forever. Then there's the problem of actually getting to each star in the first place to destroy it. Considering that most characters in the DBU lack access to spaceships and can't breathe in space, and the various teleportation techniques require locking on to someone's ki signature (what do you do if you want to destroy a star or planet in a solar system with no life?) it's just a ridiculous endeavor.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
If you're claiming that normal physics don't apply in fiction, and the characteristics of the universe are different, then they could be anything, so it would be impossible to prove anything at all about their power.

If you want to state that a planet in the DBU is just as difficult to destroy as a planet in real life, then you have to accept that other things that are true in real life are also true in the DBU, unless it's specifically shown that they're not.

Yet no one in the DBU has ever demonstrated the power to destroy a star.....

Just for reference, a list of astronomical objects destroyed canonically in the manga:

- Earth's moon (twice, once by Roshi and once by Picollo)
- Planet Vegeta (destroyed by Frieza, never stated how)
- Planet Namek (destroyed by Frieza)
- King Kai's planet (destroyed by Cell's self - destruct)
- An unknown number of planets (destroyed by Majin Buu, different translations state either "several hundred" or simply "many)
- Earth (destroyed by Majin Buu)
- Several other planets (destroyed by Majin Buu before he came to the afterlife to fight Goku and Vegeta)

No stars there. Remember, the movies and anime fillers are not canon.

EDIT: Even if they could destroy stars, it would still take forever. Then there's the problem of actually getting to each star in the first place to destroy it. Considering that most characters in the DBU lack access to spaceships and can't breathe in space, and the various teleportation techniques require locking on to someone's ki signature (what do you do if you want to destroy a star or planet in a solar system with no life?) it's just a ridiculous endeavor.

Kid Buu, who was considerably weaker than Super Buu created a ki bomb that was powerful enough to destroy earth 10 times over in just a few seconds. He can survive in space. Stars do exist, since the light doesn't just come from nowhere.

Kid buu could desroy the sar, re-materialize and IT to another solar system.

And Movies ARE canon. The Dragonball name is owned by Viz and they liscense it to whatever they want, thus making it canon.

Originally posted by calvs

And Movies ARE canon. The Dragonball name is owned by Viz and they liscense it to whatever they want, thus making it canon.

Lincensing is not the sam as owning,Viz cannot makea leterations to the dragonball continuity, and if they do it's not canon.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Lincensing is not the sam as owning,Viz cannot makea leterations to the dragonball continuity, and if they do it's not canon.

Originally posted by calvs
They OWN the Dragonball name and can liscense it as they wish. Think of it as a franchise like the star wars novels. Most aren't written by George Lucas but they are still Canon.

Viz isn't in charge of the dragon ball time line, Not even the orignal publisher has rights to the dragon ball time line. Manga isn't like starwars, it's creator driven.

Secondly the movies contradict the DBZ timeline completely, and there is no mention of the villians or events of the DBZ movies within the timeline.

Third the mngaka has said they are not canon.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The battle mark of the gods. LMAO. 😆

Originally posted by Endless Mike

- Several other planets (destroyed by Majin Buu before he came to the afterlife to fight Goku and Vegeta)

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I don't know about everybody else, But, I don't hate DBU. But, you guys are acting like real fanboys, your giving goku abilities he's [B]NEVER displayed. According to you guy's, goku and friends can defeat high level cosmics, how? When we tell you this, you assume were haters, that's Real Obnoxious.

Basically youre saying goku is the strongest because you like him, That's what you call bias. [/B]

Originally posted by calvs
They OWN the Dragonball name and can liscense it as they wish. Think of it as a franchise like the star wars novels. Most aren't written by George Lucas but they are still Canon.

Consider the DBZ movies a whole separate universe then the Manga.

Originally posted by calvs
Kid Buu, who was considerably weaker than Super Buu created a ki bomb that was powerful enough to destroy earth 10 times over in just a few seconds. He can survive in space. Stars do exist, since the light doesn't just come from nowhere.

Kid buu could desroy the sar, re-materialize and IT to another solar system.

And Movies ARE canon. The Dragonball name is owned by Viz and they liscense it to whatever they want, thus making it canon.

That's nice, except that our sun is on the order of a billion times more difficult to destroy than the earth (GBE 9 orders of magnitude greater).

And Viz simply licenses the manga in the US, the dragonball franchise is owned by Akira Toriyama. The anime is simply an adaptation of the manga, not canon.

They OWN the Dragonball name and can liscense it as they wish. Think of it as a franchise like the star wars novels. Most aren't written by George Lucas but they are still Canon.

The Star Wars EU is canon because it is officially declared canon by the franchise owner. This is not true of the DB anime fillers and movies (Viz is not the franchise owner).

For some idea of the pure scale that you fail to grasp, take a look at this:

http://newsizeofourworld.ytmnd.com/

Originally posted by Endless Mike
That's nice, except that our sun is on the order of a billion times more difficult to destroy than the earth (GBE 9 orders of magnitude greater).

And Viz simply licenses the manga in the US, the dragonball franchise is owned by Akira Toriyama. The anime is simply an adaptation of the manga, not canon.

The Star Wars EU is canon because it is officially declared canon by the franchise owner. This is not true of the DB anime fillers and movies (Viz is not the franchise owner).

I understand the size of the sun BUT the same is far less stable and 1 Blast powerful enough to destroy a planet, would cause a chain reaction. The sun is filled with Hydrogen. 1 good blast and it's over for our solar system.

No, Viz simply licenses its distribution in the US and Canada.

They have no power over the franchise anywhere else in the world, the owner is Akira Toriyama, and the anime creator is Toei animation.

What Viz owns is the rights to distribute the material in North America, they cannot make decisions regarding the canonicity of material.

In fact, their own translations are self - contradictory.

Example: In the Viz English Naruto manga, Naruto's sexy no jutsu is referred to as the ninja centerfold technique, whereas in the Viz distributed English Naruto anime, it's referred to as the 'sexy jutsu'. Which name is canon?

The answer: Neither of them.

The original Japanese name written in the manga by Kishimoto Masashi is canon.

Also, your grasp of astrophysics is very poor. Do you know what gravitational binding energy is? The sun is made of hydrogen and helium mostly, but you cannot ignite hydrogen unless there is even more oxygen nearby (fire needs oxygen to burn). The hydrogen is constantly being fused into helium by nuclear reactions.

An object as large as the sun has so much mass that its gravity holds it together much stronger than the earth's does. An attack powerful enough to destroy the earth would barely do anything to the sun, just cause a lot of solar flares. You would need to overcome its gravitational binding energy to destroy it, and that is around 2.27e41j.

That's 2.27 x 10^41 joules.

By comparison, the earth's GBE is about 2.4e32j.

This means that it takes around 945,833,333.3 times as much energy to destroy the sun as it takes to destroy the earth.

Wow, it's been a while since I posted here. I was wondering what this bookmark was, haha.

Anyways, L-sama/Lord of Nightmares is singlehandedly THE MOST powerful anime/manga/novel being written up in fiction. She is the thing in which all things originate from. Time. Reality. Space. Uni/Multi-verses. Lord of Nightmares doesn't exist w/in a multiverse. Multiverses exist within her. She doesn't simply exist outside the multiverses. She *IS* what exists out of all things. If she does so much as touch a universe/multiverse too hard, even when entering, she unmakes it. Not blows it up. Literally unmakes everything. Think of it like an infinitely more powerful version of Darkseids Omega Effect, only operating on the multiversal scale and with infinite potential. Simply put, she is God. The all powerful one. In fact, her character being female is simply a personification. L-sama, in actuality, isn't even limited to a physical body. She exists within all things, but also exists w/outside of all things .Think of her as literally everything and nothing, at once.

And yes, if you combine ALL of the anime/manga verses togethe, she would probably be the thing in which all of them originates from. Even DBZ. However, due to copywrites and all that, it isn't so. Thankfully.

This really isn't a discussion. It's Lord of Nightmares... then everybody else.

And for the record..

Goku CANNOT destroy a multiverse, let alone a universe. He NEVER stated that. It was NEVER implied that. And it never EVER showed him with that much power. Not even remotely close. YEs, this is even at his strongest. So please, stop fanwanking him. He is NOTHING compared to L-sama and so many beneath her. Goku can't even touch her... how is he supposed to beat her? She's literally everywhere around him... even within him.

A dead giveaway for a DBZ fanboy is crap like "Goku is 100000000 times stronger than Freeza!"

That's bullshit and fanboyism at its best.

Btw, Phibrizzo owns Goku and everybody else in DBZ too.

actually probably not that is like saying super man can beat goku i dont think that willl ever happen...and goku is like 1000000000000 time s stonger then freeza in ssj form

Pre-Crisis Supes would destroy Goku in a matter of seconds...

Speed Blitz.

"Speed Blitz?" Is that something that is supposed to be fast? Now, if we take the Goku at the end of DBGT, who absorbed the Dragonballs into himself and now probably has the power to make wishes come true... Then he could probably blink and any other character could vanish, simply because he wanted to, BUT his character would probably not allow such a thing. In fact Goku would get along with anyone who's all about saving people and saving Earth. And the L-Sama character?? How can that be an actual character if they're everything and nothing at the same time? That's not a character that's just an explanation of a kind of God like being being in control of everything. If we are talking sheer power out all anime and manga, well I haven't a clue because I haven't every single anime/manga ever produced... But I'd still go with Gogeta SSJ 4. He basically destroyed the evil version of Shenron.