You can clearly see the blast in the background so he got hit with it and it shows no mention of Time Trapper resurrecting him or anything,looks like he just grabbed him after the explosion and sent him to the future thats it.Frieza and Goku would likely get one shotted by Superman Prime his strength and speed is so far out of their league its not even funny and they get damaged just from punches from each other.
Originally posted by carver9The fact that the power is like that of the big bang itself maybe? Gohan's Kamehameha could not destroy a planet, guess it was weak as hell then. Size does not matter, and I showed you scans, and SMP survived being put through a red star, so stfu.
Let me put it this way, show me something that give you any idea of why you think that blast is more powerful then a nuke. Where are you basing this off of, was that something that monarch said or is that something that youre just making up.1. Youre right superman prime had not wounds but guess what he was hurt and knocked the hell out. Nappa blast>>>the blast that monarch hit superman prime with. When you show me something saying that monarch blast is as powerful as a nuke then my answer will remain the same.
2.Show me a speed feat that superman prime has done that make you think that he can remove any of frieza body parts off. I can show you speed feats from regular dragonball that would put any scan that you put up besides space flight out of shame. Let me guess, your going to put up superman prime spinning around in a circle knocking 3 flashes off of him, answer this for me, how fast were the flashes going when he pulled that feat. If you say light speed or even the speed of sound, please show me proof.
3.Why would anyone in dbz need to move a planet. I can tell you this, there physical fights destroy planets, something that ion and superman prime couldnt even hope of. Hell they had trouble destroying a cementary and failed to do that. Superman prime flew to the core of the planet, that was nothing but a durability feat and guess what beta ray bill pulled the same feat so im guessing beta ray bill= superman prime.
4.I have something to show you with that superman prime and the big bang that he survived. You do know that it was outside interference that oculd have resurrected him.
5. Is there anyone in dbz besides frieza that can breath out of space. That still dont have anything to do with goku whipping superman prime a** but good combat though.
I'll be waiting on something showing me superman prime combat speed feat. Cant wait to see it.
1. Prove he was knocked out. 🙂 Nappa's blast>>>Gohan's Kamehameha then. It only made like a 20 foot crater. Nappa>>>Cell by your warped logic. 🙂
2. Him blitzing the Flashes you moron, why would they not be top speed against someone as powerful as Superman Prime? Oh...And he was fast enough to reach a distant galaxy in no time at all and killed many FTL Green Lanterns before they could react, and rushed Guy Gardner and had him at his physical mercy, and then easily beat Hal Jordan. Oh...And Flashes can react at FTL speeds, so they should be able to dodge slower than FTL punches.
3. Show me a planet being destroyed by a physical fight in DBZ. 🙂 You can't. Oh...And collateral damage does not equal power. When Pre-Retcon Beyonder physically fought a planet of Celestials, was the planet destroyed? No, it was not. Are DBZ characters>>>PR Beyonder? No. SMP has pushed planets across the galaxy and destroyed planets in doing so by pushing them into eachother. DBZ characters have not.
4. Nope. He was shown drifting in empty space, and the Time Trapper pulled him from that universe into the 30th century.
5. Weird, cause all evidence points to Superman Prime easily killing Goku with one punch.
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Both show SMP using varying levels of superspeed, one against the GL Corps. and the other against the GLs, Sinestro Corps., and Earth's Heroes.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
The fact that the power is like that of the big bang itself maybe? Gohan's Kamehameha could not destroy a planet, guess it was weak as hell then. Size does not matter, and I showed you scans, and SMP survived being put through a red star, so stfu.1. Prove he was knocked out. 🙂 Nappa's blast>>>Gohan's Kamehameha then. It only made like a 20 foot crater. Nappa>>>Cell by your warped logic. 🙂
2. Him blitzing the Flashes you moron, why would they not be top speed against someone as powerful as Superman Prime? Oh...And he was fast enough to reach a distant galaxy in no time at all and killed many FTL Green Lanterns before they could react, and rushed Guy Gardner and had him at his physical mercy, and then easily beat Hal Jordan. Oh...And Flashes can react at FTL speeds, so they should be able to dodge slower than FTL punches.
3. Show me a planet being destroyed by a physical fight in DBZ. 🙂 You can't. Oh...And collateral damage does not equal power. When Pre-Retcon Beyonder physically fought a planet of Celestials, was the planet destroyed? No, it was not. Are DBZ characters>>>PR Beyonder? No. SMP has pushed planets across the galaxy and destroyed planets in doing so by pushing them into eachother. DBZ characters have not.
4. Nope. He was shown drifting in empty space, and the Time Trapper pulled him from that universe into the 30th century.
5. Weird, cause all evidence points to Superman Prime easily killing Goku with one punch.
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I seen nothing in those scans that make me believe that he'll run over frieza. Do you see how everyone can see him, there would be no detection of frieza in any of those scans due to his speed. Frieza basically disappears from sight, even other superhuman sights. Again, in regular dragonball alone, goku was moving at speed faster then lightning (after popo training). This was before he fought picollo. Three years later he was moving much faster, do the math.
You do know that dragonball characters know how to control there ki and the amount of destructive power that it hits the earth with, its an ability that they have known how to do for ages. Thats why nappa blast has more collateral damage then lets say gohun.
Prove to me that time trapper didnt have anything to do with superman prime coming back to life and answer this for me, when flash was fight wonder woman how fast was he going, Im talking about the time when he was moving so fast the air was catching on fire. And HE DIDNT BLITZ THE FLASH, he spinned in a circle very fast, thats not a blitz. When have a lantern shown faster then light reflexes, let me guess during the time batman or deathstroke physically took one out.
Again nappa blast>>monarch, which was never stated on panel as even being close to the destruction of a nuke, unless again you have a scan proving otherwise.
Black hair goku would mop the floor with prime and trust me more then a cemetary would be destroyed if he fought goku.
Originally posted by carver91. That's cuz you are a fanboy. They can see him cause they are FTL, and this isn't manga with the whole bullshit anime art where people disappear. People in DBZ are much slower than people like Superman, GLs, or SMP. So point is moot. Show me a DBZ character traveling across the universe under his own power WITHOUT instant transmission. SSJ Gotenks took nearly 30 minutes to go around the world like 12 times I think. That ain't lightspeed.
I seen nothing in those scans that make me believe that he'll run over frieza. Do you see how everyone can see him, there would be no detection of frieza in any of those scans due to his speed. Frieza basically disappears from sight, even other superhuman sights. Again, in regular dragonball alone, goku was moving at speed faster then lightning (after popo training). This was before he fought picollo. Three years later he was moving much faster, do the math.You do know that dragonball characters know how to control there ki and the amount of destructive power that it hits the earth with, its an ability that they have known how to do for ages. Thats why nappa blast has more collateral damage then lets say gohun.
Prove to me that time trapper didnt have anything to do with superman prime coming back to life and answer this for me, when flash was fight wonder woman how fast was he going, Im talking about the time when he was moving so fast the air was catching on fire. And HE DIDNT BLITZ THE FLASH, he spinned in a circle very fast, thats not a blitz. When have a lantern shown faster then light reflexes, let me guess during the time batman or deathstroke physically took one out.
Again nappa blast>>monarch, which was never stated on panel as even being close to the destruction of a nuke, unless again you have a scan proving otherwise.
Black hair goku would mop the floor with prime and trust me more then a cemetary would be destroyed if he fought goku.
2. And Monarch does not? The dude has energy manipulation on a high level dude. Why would he not be able to condense his energy?
3. I can't prove a negative, burden of proof is on you to prove he did bring SMP back to life, when all evidence shows he survived the big bang and then was plucked from the past by Time Trapper. He counter blitzed the Flashes and they could not avoid him. Flashes are FTL at top, and can react at those speeds, but were not able to avoid SMP. Gee, Idk, maybe the times GLs have fought with FTL people like Superman?
4. It was stated as being the Quantum Power of the Big Bang itself, which>>>>>>Nuke.
5. Lolz, I know, Superman Prime would have smashed the planet over Goku's head.
Show me any DBZ character physically moving or destroying planets.
Show me any DBZ character moving across the universe in a short amount of time.
Show me any DBZ character surviving a big bang.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. That's cuz you are a fanboy. They can see him cause they are FTL, and this isn't manga with the whole bullshit anime art where people disappear. People in DBZ are much slower than people like Superman, GLs, or SMP. So point is moot. Show me a DBZ character traveling across the universe under his own power WITHOUT instant transmission. SSJ Gotenks took nearly 30 minutes to go around the world like 12 times I think. That ain't lightspeed.2. And Monarch does not? The dude has energy manipulation on a high level dude. Why would he not be able to condense his energy?
3. I can't prove a negative, burden of proof is on you to prove he did bring SMP back to life, when all evidence shows he survived the big bang and then was plucked from the past by Time Trapper. He counter blitzed the Flashes and they could not avoid him. Flashes are FTL at top, and can react at those speeds, but were not able to avoid SMP. Gee, Idk, maybe the times GLs have fought with FTL people like Superman?
4. It was stated as being the Quantum Power of the Big Bang itself, which>>>>>>Nuke.
5. Lolz, I know, Superman Prime would have smashed the planet over Goku's head.
Show me any DBZ character physically moving or destroying planets.
Show me any DBZ character moving across the universe in a short amount of time.
Show me any DBZ character surviving a big bang.
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You just dont get it do you, I see so many flaws in your post that its ridiculous.
1. You do realize that goku was moving at incredible speeds in dragonball alone, thats not a anime trick, the audience really couldnt see him for minutes until he allowed them to see him and this was as a kid. The guy had blinding speed his entire career but what speed feats hes doing now>>>>>>>>>>>anything that he did as a child. And your using the fact that someone fought superman as speed huh, well I guess since batman kept up with superman with the black k rock he can go light speed, I guess konvikt can move at light speed along with solomon grundy and everyone else. By the way, can you show me a scan that say or indicate that superman can fight at light speed. Maybe that'll change my mind.
2 You ask me to show you a scan of goku moving a planet or flying across the universe, since I dont have one because goku cant breathe out of space, show me superman prime shooting a blast out of his two finger tips that mimics a nuke. By the way you do know that pan flew around the planet in less then 2 minutes and goku said that it was still to slow, I wonder how fast he wanted her to go, can you tell me.
Prove that the blast is stronger than a nuke.
How about instead of goku getting smashed in the head by a planet he hit prime with a blast that is much stronger then the one he was hit with by monarch.
Originally posted by carver91. Normal humans. Normal humans couldn't see him. Wowz. I will look for a scan saying Supes can fight at lightspeed. Won't be hard.
🙁You just dont get it do you, I see so many flaws in your post that its ridiculous.
1. You do realize that goku was moving at incredible speeds in dragonball alone, thats not a anime trick, the audience really couldnt see him for minutes until he allowed them to see him and this was as a kid. The guy had blinding speed his entire career but what speed feats hes doing now>>>>>>>>>>>anything that he did as a child. And your using the fact that someone fought superman as speed huh, well I guess since batman kept up with superman with the black k rock he can go light speed, I guess konvikt can move at light speed along with solomon grundy and everyone else. By the way, can you show me a scan that say or indicate that superman can fight at light speed. Maybe that'll change my mind.
2 You ask me to show you a scan of goku moving a planet or flying across the universe, since I dont have one because goku cant breathe out of space, show me superman prime shooting a blast out of his two finger tips that mimics a nuke. By the way you do know that pan flew around the planet in less then 2 minutes and goku said that it was still to slow, I wonder how fast he wanted her to go, can you tell me.
Prove that the blast is stronger than a nuke.
How about instead of goku getting smashed in the head by a planet he hit prime with a blast that is much stronger then the one he was hit with by monarch.
2. But we should automatically assume Goku can, amirite!? dur Goku has NEVER proven to be that strong or fast. SMP shot heatvision that went right through Superman's shoulder, and this was when he was massively weakened. Pan flew around planet in 2 minutes? Not only does this sound noncanon, but Superman has done that while fighting.
It was the Quantum Energy of the Big Bang.........I mean Jesus Christ man how often do I need to repeat that?
Not unless Goku can destroy a universe with a blast, and that wouldn't even kill SMP.
As a child fighting in the tenkaichi budokai (world martial arts) tournemnts, Goku would move so fast that the spectators could see him, then he got to the point where people like killin couldnt see him, then tien who has incredibly sharp eyes !! this is all before DBZ even began !
monarch states that his quantum energy is like the bigbang itself, but the blasts that wonder woman mistakes for a nuke isnt big bang level, or else...quiet obviously alot more than the city would have been destroyed, however when prime rips open his armour then THEN its a big bag, but i herd it onyl destroyed the physical universe, Majin Buu nearly tore uthe universe apart, physical and all the other dimensions, soo he nearly destroyed all of reality !!
Plus Pan flying around the world as far a si know is canon, Goku is talkking to bulma when she flys down and says " Grampa Grampa i ust circuled the world again" she isnt out of breathe either, an goku says" thats great Pan i think that was your best time yet" the ocean dub says that anyways !!
Goku at 18 took a Nuke level attack and didnt even get knocked down ! A Nuke could kill supes at that age, it even states on wikiepedia that some versions of supes ( obviously not PC) Cud be killed by a Nuke !!
Goku at 18 took a Nuke level attack and didnt even get knocked down ! A Nuke could kill supes at that age, it even states on wikiepedia that some versions of supes ( obviously not PC) Cud be killed by a Nuke !
At age 18 the current superman was fresh from his legion of super heroes adventures. All pre crisis superboy and the LOSH are canon again. The stories where daxamite Mon 'Casual planet buster' El was barely stronger than him.
monarch states that his quantum energy is like the bigbang itself, but the blasts that wonder woman mistakes for a nuke isnt big bang level, or else...quiet obviously alot more than the city would have been destroyed, however when prime rips open his armour then THEN its a big bag, but i herd it onyl destroyed the physical universe, Majin Buu nearly tore uthe universe apart, physical and all the other dimensions, soo he nearly destroyed all of reality !!
One that was donna troy not Wonder woman. Two Monarch's attack couldn't be powerful because it didn't do enough damage but Buu's which barely damaged the planet can be universe destroying?
Carver, you honestly lost with the nappa being above Monarch, your either one of the most clever trolls I've come across or one of the most die hard DBZ fanboys I've come across since I found myself arguing with someone who thought Goku could beat tengen toppa gurren lagann. Who incidentally I nominate for most powerful non omnipotent anime character,
Buu nearly destroyed all of reality Baba even says" Wooha that was close, that big oof just nearly destroyed the whole Universe" !! the narator says Buu was ripping apart the Universe, " And theusually cool Majin Buu, grew into a tremendous rage, which shifted the very foundations of the Universe !!
Originally posted by BradBalboa1. And SMP can move faster or as fast as a Flash. Which means that actual energy is above nuke level. Oh...And Buu was never implied to be able to bust the universe in canon.
As a child fighting in the tenkaichi budokai (world martial arts) tournemnts, Goku would move so fast that the spectators could see him, then he got to the point where people like killin couldnt see him, then tien who has incredibly sharp eyes !! this is all before DBZ even began !
monarch states that his quantum energy is like the bigbang itself, but the blasts that wonder woman mistakes for a nuke isnt big bang level, or else...quiet obviously alot more than the city would have been destroyed, however when prime rips open his armour then THEN its a big bag, but i herd it onyl destroyed the physical universe, Majin Buu nearly tore uthe universe apart, physical and all the other dimensions, soo he nearly destroyed all of reality !!Plus Pan flying around the world as far a si know is canon, Goku is talkking to bulma when she flys down and says " Grampa Grampa i ust circuled the world again" she isnt out of breathe either, an goku says" thats great Pan i think that was your best time yet" the ocean dub says that anyways !!
Goku at 18 took a Nuke level attack and didnt even get knocked down ! A Nuke could kill supes at that age, it even states on wikiepedia that some versions of supes ( obviously not PC) Cud be killed by a Nuke !!
2. Kay. In the time it takes Pan to fly around the world, SMP can fly across the universe.
3. Wikipedia is noncanon.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. And SMP can move faster or as fast as a Flash. Which means that actual energy is above nuke level. Oh...And Buu was never implied to be able to bust the universe in canon.2. Kay. In the time it takes Pan to fly around the world, SMP can fly across the universe.
3. Wikipedia is noncanon.
He never showed that he can move faster then the flash, he just spinned in a circle, thats nothing to indicate that he could move faster then the flash unless again if your using that then deathstroke reaction time is light speed.
2. Do you not understand, pan flew around the planet in 2 minutes AND THAT WAS STILL TO SLOW ACCORDING TO GOKU. He apparently wanted her to go around the planet in seconds.
3. Goku as a child was moving faster then lightning and during his last tournament when he fought junior he was moving 10 faster. Do the math. Now that was in regular dragonball. During DBZ, he was millions of time faster.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
At age 18 the current superman was fresh from his legion of super heroes adventures. All pre crisis superboy and the LOSH are canon again. The stories where daxamite Mon 'Casual planet buster' El was barely stronger than him.One that was donna troy not Wonder woman. Two Monarch's attack couldn't be powerful because it didn't do enough damage but Buu's which barely damaged the planet can be universe destroying?
Carver, you honestly lost with the nappa being above Monarch, your either one of the most clever trolls I've come across or one of the most die hard DBZ fanboys I've come across since I found myself arguing with someone who thought Goku could beat tengen toppa gurren lagann. Who incidentally I nominate for most powerful non omnipotent anime character,
I never said that Nappa>>>>monarch, I said nappa BLAST>>monarch, you know the one where he lifts his fingers up and destroy a entire city in a flash. The city was still in contact when Monarch blew it up, it was under a nuke but nappa blast got rid of everything. See the difference. I agree monarch could possibly kill nappa since he cant be hurt by blasts and is almost invulnerable but that wasnt my argument.
Just a heads up, if goku from regular dragonball was to come over to either marvel or dc (as a child), he would basically be a top tier with all of his ability. Just wanted to let you all know that. So imagine what a more powerful goku would be who powers is in the billions.
Kid Goku at best is what? Capable of a moon busting blast, sub class 100 strength and super sonic reaction speeds. Unless you stick in him late 80's/early 90's DC that isn't top tier.
As for end of Z Goku. Planet buster, class 100 but well below the big boys, high mach movement and teleportation. Low herald like Terrax.
This isn't the thread for this. Carver9 do you honestly think anyone from DBZ deserves to be called the most powerful anime character?
This should be between L-sama and Kami-tenchi. Getting rid of them and you've got a battle royal between dark Schneider, Tengen toppa gurren lagann and Zinv. Although theres some obscure super robots like Getter emporer and Demonbane could be chucked in.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Kid Goku at best is what? Capable of a moon busting blast, sub class 100 strength and super sonic reaction speeds. Unless you stick in him late 80's/early 90's DC that isn't top tier.As for end of Z Goku. Planet buster, class 100 but well below the big boys, high mach movement and teleportation. Low herald like Terrax.
This isn't the thread for this. Carver9 do you honestly think anyone from DBZ deserves to be called the most powerful anime character?
This should be between L-sama and Kami-tenchi. Getting rid of them and you've got a battle royal between dark Schneider, Tengen toppa gurren lagann and Zinv. Although theres some obscure super robots like Getter emporer and Demonbane could be chucked in.
I apologize about that, you are right, this isnt the thread for this (even though I disagree with your entire post). No, I dont consider dragonball to be the top dogs of anime but they are up there. I agree with l-sama.
Originally posted by carver91. He outpunched 3 Flashes. That takes Flash or above Flash speed. And he reaches other galaxies in seconds. He also sorta replicated the feat in SC War, when Flashes were punching at him and he was just blocking their punches and then flew past them, knocking both down, and into the army of heroes.
He never showed that he can move faster then the flash, he just spinned in a circle, thats nothing to indicate that he could move faster then the flash unless again if your using that then deathstroke reaction time is light speed.2. Do you not understand, pan flew around the planet in 2 minutes AND THAT WAS STILL TO SLOW ACCORDING TO GOKU. He apparently wanted her to go around the planet in seconds.
3. Goku as a child was moving faster then lightning and during his last tournament when he fought junior he was moving 10 faster. Do the math. Now that was in regular dragonball. During DBZ, he was millions of time faster.
2. Kay. SMP reaches other galaxies in seconds.
3. Yet SSJ Gotenks still could not reach even half of lightspeed.
