Beast Vs Sabertooth

Originally posted by He-guy88
ill say this the best i can smarts anit just science its stragity and all sorts of stuff their for beast could find a way to out stratigize sabs like chess u gotta think 5 steps ahead to win beast could think 10 steps ahead of sabs

Some people need to realzie theirs more then one type of fighting plain out force smarts speed and reflexes the list gos one forever now if ur a smart fighter then ur a veary dangrus oppoent

There are smarts and then there are smarts.

The only smarts that Beast possess over Sabertooth are book smarts. He doesn't possess combat smarts over Creed. Sabertooth has been operating as a deep strike assasin for years before Hank McCoy started growing hair on his balls. Every situation that Beast might have planned for Sabertooth has expericned and lived through. How is beast going to outstratigize someone who is arguably a much better and more expereinced strategist? Creed has fought every kind of battle there is. When has Beast dislplayed hits combat smarts that you speak of? He is good at what he does but he is no Cyclops and definietly no Sabertooth.

Creed plays stupid to keep his cover low. Ask Weapon X how many times they thought that they had Creed under control to realize that the bastard is always several steps ahead and has well planned his escape even going so far as to steal their codes and hijack their secret weapons. Or ask X-Factor how creed ended up outsmarting all of them even Forge.

Sabertooth is hardly a dumb animal, and its not his fault that you don't know enough about his history to udnerstand how you are underestimating him.

Originally posted by Warmonger
There are smarts and then there are smarts.

The only smarts that Beast possess over Sabertooth are book smarts. He doesn't possess combat smarts over Creed. Sabertooth has been operating as a deep strike assasin for years before Hank McCoy started growing hair on his balls. Every situation that Beast might have planned for Sabertooth has expericned and lived through. How is beast going to outstratigize someone who is arguably a much better and more expereinced strategist? Creed has fought every kind of battle there is. When has Beast dislplayed hits combat smarts that you speak of? He is good at what he does but he is no Cyclops and definietly no Sabertooth.

Creed plays stupid to keep his cover low. Ask Weapon X how many times they thought that they had Creed under control to realize that the bastard is always several steps ahead and has well planned his escape even going so far as to steal their codes and hijack their secret weapons. Or ask X-Factor how creed ended up outsmarting all of them even Forge.

Sabertooth is hardly a dumb animal, and its not his fault that you don't know enough about his history to udnerstand how you are underestimating him.

and just cause u think im not intelagent on fighting does not mean ur right u see i know how good sabs has been triened but thats still not the same as beast me im only 140 pounds and can throw a 200-300lb man over my shoulder its about the laverage i have over them

as for beast he could know science and still be a better fighter then sabs cause he could calculate his attacks before he does them so do u see were im going with this

Originally posted by He-guy88
and just cause u think im not intelagent on fighting does not mean ur right u see i know how good sabs has been triened but thats still not the same as beast me im only 140 pounds and can throw a 200-300lb man over my shoulder its about the laverage i have over them

as for beast he could know science and still be a better fighter then sabs cause he could calculate his attacks before he does them so do u see were im going with this

You can? Great! But I didn't say your not inteligent on fighting. I said that Beast's smarts are not the sort of smarts that he needs to out fight sabertooth.

How does your ability to throw anyone realte to this fight anyway?

Your right Sabertooth's training isn't the same as Beasts it is probably better and his experience is much higher.

Beast received training from the Avenegers and he trained in the Danger Room. He has fought a ost of different enemies over about 10 comic book years right.

Saberttoh has gotten training from the CIA, HYDRA, Weapon X and who knows who else. He has been using his skills for longer than Beast has been alive.

How can you say that someone who has had better training more experience and is naturally blood thirsty is inferior in the fighting department?

I see where your going but your simply wrong. He cna make all the calculations he wants while he is thinking Saberooth already knows. He doesn't need to calculate his attacks because he already knows the most effective methods of attack.

They fought once when the original X-men got together again to hunt down Sabretooth, after his mental breakdown. Beast had a small fight with Creed on a train. i can't remember much of the issue but I remember Beast slamming Sabretooth's head into a window..................

IMO opinion its 50/50 in a well written fight 🙂

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Originally posted by Warmonger
You can? Great! But I didn't say your not inteligent on fighting. I said that Beast's smarts are not the sort of smarts that he needs to out fight sabertooth.

How does your ability to throw anyone realte to this fight anyway?

Your right Sabertooth's training isn't the same as Beasts it is probably better and his experience is much higher.

Beast received training from the Avenegers and he trained in the Danger Room. He has fought a ost of different enemies over about 10 comic book years right.

Saberttoh has gotten training from the CIA, HYDRA, Weapon X and who knows who else. He has been using his skills for longer than Beast has been alive.

How can you say that someone who has had better training more experience and is naturally blood thirsty is inferior in the fighting department?

I see where your going but your simply wrong. He cna make all the calculations he wants while he is thinking Saberooth already knows. He doesn't need to calculate his attacks because he already knows the most effective methods of attack.

(what it has to do is that i know that i could never lift that much that and i could never fight a lets say trained milatery person) now while beast is not as fast in reflexes he could find a way to gain levarage over sabs now put me aginst a trieand milatery person but with ten times his strength i think ten steps head of him i gain the levareg and im stronger i have the upper hand that would be the same as their fight

Originally posted by He-guy88
(what it has to do is that i know that i could never lift that much that and i could never fight a lets say trained milatery person) now while beast is not as fast in reflexes he could find a way to gain levarage over sabs now put me aginst a trieand milatery person but with ten times his strength i think ten steps head of him i gain levareg and im stronger i have the upper hand that would be the same as their fight

Sabertooth since hes about the same strenght maybe a little less and he can fight better and has a healing factor that could take whatever beast gave him and then he would come back slashing with several critical hits.

Originally posted by Warmonger
smarter at what? Is this a science fair or a fight?

Originally posted by He-guy88
(what it has to do is that i know that i could never lift that much that and i could never fight a lets say trained milatery person) now while beast is not as fast in reflexes he could find a way to gain levarage over sabs now put me aginst a trieand milatery person but with ten times his strength i think ten steps head of him i gain the levareg and im stronger i have the upper hand that would be the same as their fight

Leverage? Lets say he gets leverage over sabes. Ok now what? He throws him? He slams him into the ground? Sabes can take this all day.

But beast doesn't possess 10 times Sabertooth's strength nor can he think ten steps ahead of Sabertooth. Where do you get the idea that outside of a lab environment that Beast can think 10 steps ahead of Creed?

Beast's training involves beating up danger room robots creed is learning how to kill from the best in the business. Then he puts that theory into practice for about a century. Sabertooh has alrady prven his abilities against great fighters. Beast as Wolverine8888 has pointed out gets dropped in a rather short skirmish with someone that Creed has beaten several times.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Leverage? Lets say he gets leverage over sabes. Ok now what? He throws him? He slams him into the ground? Sabes can take this all day.

But beast doesn't possess 10 times Sabertooth's strength nor can he think ten steps ahead of Sabertooth. Where do you get the idea that outside of a lab environment that Beast can think 10 steps ahead of Creed?

Beast's training involves beating up danger room robots creed is learning how to kill from the best in the business. Then he puts that theory into practice for about a century. Sabertooh has alrady prven his abilities against great fighters. Beast as Wolverine8888 has pointed out gets dropped in a rather short skirmish with someone that Creed has beaten several times.

ur not thinking corectaly on beasts part of fighting a fight is all about speed agilty and more then anything blance and leavrage if u can keep those last two things over your oppoent u can win

as for being able to think 10 steps a head of him who wins chess between the two of them?

Hard to say they never played chess against each other.

Originally posted by He-guy88
ur not thinking corectaly on beasts part of fighting a fight is all about speed agilty and more then anything blance and leavrage if u can keep those last two things over your oppoent u can win

as for being able to think 10 steps a head of him who wins chess between the two of them?

You're not making any sense. Leverage is just leverage it doesn't translate into damage and without the ability to keep Creed damaged how cna he beat him?

What makes you think Beast can even get any 'leverage' over Sabertooth? Sabertooth is a better fighter than McCoy, in his sleep. Also if McCoy even tries to grapple Sabertooth he is going to die horribly as Sabertooth is far better equipped for that kind of match than Beast is.

Like I said as far as intelligence goes Creed is no geneticist but he has hacked into several well secured government mainframes both Canada's and Americas all while making it look like he is working for them. Not to mention Creed has repeatedly avoided capture at the hands of the best authorities around so Creeds abilities to think ahead are not in question.

Now when has Beast displayed the ability to think 10 steps ahead that didn't involve science?

When has beast beaten anyone in hand hand match that was considered one of the best?

What in the world is leverage going to do to Sabertooth?

Originally posted by Warmonger
You're not making any sense. Leverage is just leverage it doesn't translate into damage and without the ability to keep Creed damaged how cna he beat him?

What makes you think Beast can even get any 'leverage' over Sabertooth? Sabertooth is a better fighter than McCoy, in his sleep. Also if McCoy even tries to grapple Sabertooth he is going to die horribly as Sabertooth is far better equipped for that kind of match than Beast is.

Like I said as far as intelligence goes Creed is no geneticist but he has hacked into several well secured government mainframes both Canada's and Americas all while making it look like he is working for them. Not to mention Creed has repeatedly avoided capture at the hands of the best authorities around so Creeds abilities to think ahead are not in question.

Now when has Beast displayed the ability to think 10 steps ahead that didn't involve science?

When has beast beaten anyone in hand hand match that was considered one of the best?

What in the world is leverage going to do to Sabertooth?

ok levelrage is everything its not just touching people it can be about ur body and such
now without it u or i or no one could even move our bodys so u dont have to touch sabs to gain it u just have to keep useing it because its far more effective then strenght,speed or any of that

now as for thinking 10 steps ahead or heck even 5 steps ahead if beast can beat sabs in chess then he can out think him on the battel feild

im in no way underestimating sabs brains but their in no way equal to hanks

Although i'm pretty sure sabertooths duribility can take whatever beast gives him and sabertooth has the strength advantage, fighting advanage and the claws which would cause alot of damage to beast.

Originally posted by He-guy88
ok levelrage is everything its not just touching people it can be about ur body and such
now without it u or i or no one could even move our bodys so u dont have to touch sabs to gain it u just have to keep useing it because its far more effective then strenght,speed or any of that

now as for thinking 10 steps ahead or heck even 5 steps ahead if beast can beat sabs in chess then he can out think him on the battel feild

im in no way underestimating sabs brains but their in no way equal to hanks

??? I am going to assume that english is not your first language because that really doesn't make mcuh sense.

Because from the way you are making it sound it sounds like you are talking about Balance. Sabertooth isn't a stumbling drunk hw ahs plenty of balance. Thats like saying a high wire performer cna kick a shootfighter's ass. ITs just crazy. How is it more effective than strength and speed? Or even better tell me how you know that Beast even possess more of it than Sabertooth.

But you don't know whether McCoy cna beat Creed at Chess. Infcat Chess isn't a fight. A fight isn't about planning every move. How is he going to plan ahead 10 steps against Sabertooth, he doesn't have precognition he doesn't know what Sabertooth is goign to do ahead of time. Hell when he is berserk even Sabertooth doesn't know what he is going to do next. Beast doesn't body read. Beast doesn't possess this ability that you think he does.

Beast isn't read richards or even Tony Stark, he isn't a super genius he is simply really smart and focused on the sceinces. That is why he can perform well in them. Sabertooth's brain is focused on fighting and survival. So while Beast might know 100 chemical formulas Sabertooth knows 100 ways to kill someone.

Now when has Beast displayed the ability to think 10 steps ahead that didn't involve science?

When has beast beaten anyone in hand hand match that was considered one of the best?

Without any of these things what you are saying is just hot air. Where is this leverage when he was fighting Wolverine?

Originally posted by Warmonger
??? I am going to assume that english is not your first language because that really doesn't make mcuh sense.

Because from the way you are making it sound it sounds like you are talking about Balance. Sabertooth isn't a stumbling drunk hw ahs plenty of balance. Thats like saying a high wire performer cna kick a shootfighter's ass. ITs just crazy. How is it more effective than strength and speed? Or even better tell me how you know that Beast even possess more of it than Sabertooth.

But you don't know whether McCoy cna beat Creed at Chess. Infcat Chess isn't a fight. A fight isn't about planning every move. How is he going to plan ahead 10 steps against Sabertooth, he doesn't have precognition he doesn't know what Sabertooth is goign to do ahead of time. Hell when he is berserk even Sabertooth doesn't know what he is going to do next. Beast doesn't body read. Beast doesn't possess this ability that you think he does.

Beast isn't read richards or even Tony Stark, he isn't a super genius he is simply really smart and focused on the sceinces. That is why he can perform well in them. Sabertooth's brain is focused on fighting and survival. So while Beast might know 100 chemical formulas Sabertooth knows 100 ways to kill someone.

ill ask u once yes or no can u throw a punch without leverage??

Originally posted by He-guy88
ill ask u once yes or no can u throw a punch without leverage??

Can someone throw a punch underwater? Yes
How about in the air? Yes
You don't need leverage to throw a punch.
Leverage is just leverage it doesn't win fights.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Now when has Beast displayed the ability to think 10 steps ahead that didn't involve science?

When has beast beaten anyone in hand hand match that was considered one of the best?

Without any of these things what you are saying is just hot air. Where is this leverage when he was fighting Wolverine?