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As the history books defined the First World War:
The First World War was unlike any war in the past... This was the first war 'in three dimensions', the first war in which cities were bombed from the air and winged warriors fought among the clouds. Of course the airplanes of 1914 were not so fast, so formidable, nor so numerous as those of today. They were really more important as scouts (a kind of aerial 'cavalry'😉... the British had invented the tank, or land battleship - an armored automobile which could move on rough ground because it was built like a tractor.
The First World War was the first general war, the first war to involve most of the members of the world state-system since the wars of the French Revolution and Napoleon a century earlier...The Great War, as it was called, was unlike any men had fought. As the first war fought with modern equipment and scientific devices, it was bloody and destructive... Its cost in life, in prosperity, and in human suffering were beyond comparison with previous experiences. Even the attempts to keep the peace after this war were difficult.
Moreover, the news about this war could not have spread all over the world until the fulfillment of another prophecy which would occur at a time when the world's end is near:
"But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
Daniel 12:4, NKJV
Before the end of the world, knowledge shall increase, enabling the news of this war to travel fast so that the whole world could hear about this war. This increase of knowledge was manifested in technology:
"The electric telegraph was the product of many minds in many lands, but it became a practical success in the hands of the American, Morse, in 1844. A submarine cable was laid between England and France in 1851... telephone entered commerce with the American inventor, Bell, in 1876. The Italian, Marconi, succeeded with wireless telegraphy around 1896. Radio was invented shortly before the First World war."
World History, vol. 2, p. 543
The First World War was unique in many ways. It was the first war global in scope, and the news of this war was heard all over the world.
Now, (for me) undoubtedly... it's the First World War. 😉
hm i c ur arguement but may i ask why u decided to make the connection? Were u reading Revelations or did someone else pose the qn? 😄
Just curious . . . .
@ Gregory. Thanx 4 the verse. But (not meaning to sound like a tech) if u look at 7:5-8, it says that those marked were of the 12 tribes of Israel. So that doesnt necessarily (and seeing as this verse is aimed not long after Jesus' death) mean that all of God's children wood be marked, only those of Israel at the time.
"The four angels"
The "four angels" mentioned do not refer to ministering spirits sent by God to deliver short messages to certain persons as the angel Gabriel did. Neither are they preachers of God's teachings as John the Baptist was. Instead, they are leaders of nations sent by God to fulfill special functions.
Apostle Peter stated that even kings and governors or representatives of nations are sent by God (I Pt. 2:13-14). They are also called angels in the category of messengers of nations according to Prophet Isaiah:
What will one then answer the messengers of the nation?
Isaiah 14:32, NKJV
The Bible, on the other hand, shows that the works of the messengers sent by God are not in all cases religious or spiritual in nature. For instance, Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, was a pagan; yet ha was sent by God (Jer. 43:10). The Persian king Cyrus, too, was sent although he did not worship God (Is. 44:28; 45:1). Hence, belief in God among leaders or heads of states is not a necessary condition for them to be sent by God. A person is God's messengers so long as God had chosen him for a specific work. Unlike those sent by God to preach the gospel, representatives of nations need not to be God-fearing or believers in God in order to be called angels or messengers.
The prophecy, therefore, concerning the "four angels" holding the wind (or war) was fulfilled in the persons that compose the "Big Four". These "four angels" were granted the power "to harm the earth and the sea" or they had the authority either to continue the war or to stop it. These four leaders of nations were instrumental in putting an end to the war of 1914 - dated back November 11, 1918 - when they met in Paris to confer concerning the Treaty of Versailles.
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The prophecy, therefore, concerning the "four angels" holding the wind (or war) was fulfilled in the persons that compose the "Big Four". These "four angels" were granted the power "to harm the earth and the sea" or they had the authority either to continue the war or to stop it. These four leaders of nations were instrumental in putting an end to the war of 1914 - dated back November 11, 1918 - when they met in Paris to confer concerning the Treaty of Versaillesthey " the so called four angles" were very much a reason for the build up to the next world war. So what they did was ending one war just to sow the seed of a much worse conflict
Originally posted by Gregory
No; the telegram proposed that if Germany and America went to war, Mexico should ally itself with Germany; we can't know that America and Germany would ever have gone to war if the telegram hadn't been intercepted, nor do we know that the Mexican president would have agreed.Regarding the rest of your post: I knew most of that already. But my definition of a "world war" says that unless the actual fighting (not merely the countries involved) is world-wide, the war isn't either. And the fighting wasn't world-wide; it missed half of the world's populated continents. So, without actually disagreeing with the points you raise, I still claim that using my definition (and I suppose we're all entitled to use whatever definition we want), WWI was not a "world war."
Mexico was highly amenable to that proposal and it is very likely indeed it would have happened- virtually the entire American army at the time was on the Mexican border; both sides were ready for a fight. And day by day, America was sliding inevitably into that war, as any objective analysis shows. That is why the Germans felt the need to make that arrangement in the first place.
And you may stick to your narrow definition if you wish- it is at variance with nearly all respectable historians and experts. It was a War that involved nearly everyone in the world, that no-one in the world could ignore, that everyone in the world had to decide upon an attitude towards, that engulfed and affected the whole world, and changed the whole world. It saw fighting from Flanders in France, to the Austro-Italian border, to Brest-Litovsk in Poland, to the Dardanelles in Turkey, to Syria, Basra and Baghdad, and Jerusalem, to German East and West Africa and the colonial path down the African way, to the Coronel Islands in the Falklands in South America. It was the first War that involved the whole world. If you cannot call that a World War, then your definition of what a World War is, is simply not worth consideration.
Originally posted by Ushgarak✅ 😉
Mexico was highly amenable to that proposal and it is very likely indeed it would have happened- virtually the entire American army at the time was on the Mexican border; both sides were ready for a fight. And day by day, America was sliding inevitably into that war, as any objective analysis shows. That is why the Germans felt the need to make that arrangement in the first place.And you may stick to your narrow definition if you wish- it is at variance with nearly all respectable historians and experts. It was a War that involved nearly everyone in the world, that no-one in the world could ignore, that everyone in the world had to decide upon an attitude towards, that engulfed and affected the whole world, and changed the whole world. It saw fighting from Flanders in France, to the Austro-Italian border, to Brest-Litovsk in Poland, to the Dardanelles in Turkey, to Syria, Basra and Baghdad, and Jerusalem, to German East and West Africa and the colonial path down the African way, to the Coronel Islands in the Falklands in South America. It was the first War that involved the whole world. If you cannot call that a World War, then your definition of what a World War is, is simply not worth consideration.
Originally posted by finti
they " the so called four angles" were very much a reason for the build up to the next world war. So what they did was ending one war just to sow the seed of a much worse conflict
...maybe because the Bible has already told about it to happen...
I asked my mom... and my question was
Why was the First World War in 1914 followed by the Second World War in 1939 when the first war was already held back?
Then she taught me something like this...
When the act of "sealing" has started, the succeeding chapter tells us:
When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour
Revelation 8:1, NIV
...with the Lord one day is as a thousand years
II Peter 3:8, NKJV
1 day with the Lord = 1000 years with man, or
24 hours with the Lord = 1000 years with man
1 hour with the Lord = 1000/24 = 41 years and 8 months
1/2 hour = (41 yrs, 8 mos)/2
1/2 hour = 20 years and 10 months
So "half an hour" with the Lord is equal to 20 years and 10 months with man's time. But the prophecy says that the silence in heaven is "ABOUT half an hour" or not exactly half an hour. The Second World War started on September 1, 1939 while the First World War ended on November 11. 1918. Let us compute the number of years, months and days between the two world wars (using general rule):
TIME INTERVAL = LATEST TIME - EARLIEST TIME
Thus,
WW2 started Sept. 1, 1939:______1939___9___1 (minus)
WW1 ended Nov. 11, 1918:________1918__11__11
(equals)__________________________20___9__20
The "silence in heaven for about half an hour" is equivalent to 20 years , 9 months and 20 days, short of 10 days to be exactly "half an hour". This is precisely the fulfillment of the prophecy regarding the "silence in heaven for about half an hour".
Perhaps, this is the reason why I believe the Bible is really the "Words" of God.
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1000/24 = 41 years and 8 monthsactually 1000/24 =41.67 so how does that add up to 8 months. 8 months is 3/4 of a year 3/4 of a 100 is 75. the digit here is 67 so just to get technically 7 months should be the answer.
Perhaps, this is the reason why I believe the Bible is really the "Words" of God.The bible was written by man, the new testament was created 350 years A.D and the 4 gospel that we know of as the NT today was decided upon cause they talked about the divinity of Jesus. 80 or so gospels was scraped cause most of them probably described Jesus as just a mortal common man. This way of writing a book sounds very much like totalitarian propaganda style
When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hourhalf an hour according to God or man?
Originally posted by finti
actually 1000/24 =41.67 so how does that add up to 8 months. 8 months is 3/4 of a year 3/4 of a 100 is 75. the digit here is 67 so just to get technically 7 months should be the answer.
1000/24 = 41.666666... indeed....
that is 41.67 years when you rounded it off, right?
to convert 0.67 years in months, we will have
0.67 years x (12 months/year) and you'll get 8.04 months
when originally it's 7.99999999... months.
and logically and reasonably equal to 8 months.
therefore 41.67 years is 41 years and 8 months.
PS: you cited 67 to be in 7 months.. but that's a decimal number, which is 0.67 years. i know you were wrong there.
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yeh i noticed. 😛 but mate, if u just read the verse u were saying alone, (Revelations chpt7) u'll c that in itself, the verse actually does refer to the winds. Its only if u shove lots of verses together can u make decide the 'winds' refer to a war. But that doesnt necessarily mean the WW1. *shrugs* i dunno. Im not gonna try and interpret Revelations, i'll stick to the other books in the NT. 😄