Originally posted by Forcizzle
so if we wait long enough and a couple of tornadoes rip through a junkyard, one lucky tornado will build a golden wristwatch, that's works and it has the right time, is that what your telling me? cuz that must be what your telling me, philosophically of course
No, because if you have to wait forever for the impossible to happen, the human race will likely not exist anymore... 😉
Another thing is, it's not just "random events" that all happened to occur in the right order with a destination already determined... It's not like Bill started driving from point A, intending to get to point B, but having no idea how to get there, and miraculously ended up there anyways after getting lost... More like Bill started driving from point A, not knowing where he was going to end up, and ended up getting to point B without necessarily wanting to.
In other words, the things that happened while our universe was evolving happened because of what came before them--not what was to come after them. ie, animals breathe exactly the same combination of gasses that exists on earth because it's here in such abundance. Not because all life NEEDS to breathe it, and it was just random chance that earth happened to be a planet that had it.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
No, because if you have to wait forever for the impossible to happen, the human race will likely not exist anymore... 😉Another thing is, it's not just "random events" that all happened to occur in the right order with a destination already determined... It's not like Bill started driving from point A, intending to get to point B, but having no idea how to get there, and miraculously ended up there anyways after getting lost... More like Bill started driving from point A, not knowing where he was going to end up, and ended up getting to point B without necessarily wanting to.
In other words, the things that happened while our universe was evolving happened because of what came before them--not what was to come after them. ie, animals breathe exactly the same combination of gasses that exists on earth because it's here in such abundance. Not because all life NEEDS to breathe it, and it was just random chance that earth happened to be a planet that had it.
so basically everything is here for an accidental purpose? oh and Kaleanae, there's your contradiction
No. Everything that exists does because of what was there before it. I'll give you another example.
Bill wakes up one morning, and he feels the need to take a shower, because he's dirty. He's dirty because he worked hard yesterday, out in the sun, which caused him to sweat. So Bill gets out of bed and takes a shower. Meanwhile, his 2 year old daughter comes in and uses the toilet, because she ate dinner last night because she was hungry, so when she's all done, she flushes it like a good little girl. I could go into great detail there but I won't. Anyways, Bill lives in an older home, because he can't afford a new one. So when you flush the toilet, the water in the shower gets really hot, because people back when it was built didn't know what to do about that problem. When his daughter flushed the toilet, the water in the shower heated up, and Bill got scalded. Because he was scalded, he went to the burn ward in the hospital.
So Force, Bill didn't buy an old house with the intention of one day going to the burn ward. Things just worked out that way. It's the same idea with evolution--things happen because of what has already happened, not because something has to turn out a certain way. There are a million ways for life to work and survive, but because of the way earth is, it evolved the way it did.
Originally posted by HockeyHorror
✅basically everything happens for a reason.
Well darth what your telling me is that everything.. just happened right? it wasn't ordained or anything, and it didn't happen on accident?
well based on that theory i'm still agreeing with what HH said.
Because just like in the Bible, and in real life, everything happens for a reason, if you lie and get caught or you don't get caught, either way you sinned and it's going to come back to bite you, and that's the same thing the Bible says in the ten commandments, it didn't just happen that you got in trouble for lying, it was ordained that you would get in trouble if you lied, whether it be now or later. And that's the same principle for anything else.
Do you get what i'm saying?
I found a good answer... maybe
"Actually, this question is more anthropological than evolutionary, since the chicken (Gallus domesticus) didn't exist until its domestication around 2000 BC in Indochina. The first chicken came from the first chicken egg, which was laid by a red junglefowl (Gallus gallus). Whether you argue creation or evolution, the fact that humanity predates and is responsible for the speciation of chickens from red junglefowl should lay the "chicken or the egg" question to rest. From an evolutionary perspective, this answer holds for all species: the first member(s) of any species were the offspring of another very similar species, i.e. evolution argues that the egg always comes first. From a creationist perspective, this answer is anomalous, since all species that predate humanity originated as adults around 4004 BCE, i.e. creationism argues that the red junglefowl came before the red junglefowl egg. " (Posted By: Michael Onken, Admin, MadSci Network)
Originally posted by Forcizzle
Well darth what your telling me is that everything.. just happened right? it wasn't ordained or anything, and it didn't happen on accident?well based on that theory i'm still agreeing with what HH said.
Because just like in the Bible, and in real life, everything happens for a reason, if you lie and get caught or you don't get caught, either way you sinned and it's going to come back to bite you, and that's the same thing the Bible says in the ten commandments, it didn't just happen that you got in trouble for lying, it was ordained that you would get in trouble if you lied, whether it be now or later. And that's the same principle for anything else.
Do you get what i'm saying?
No, everything does happen for a reason--whatever happened before it. Like the Merovigne in the Matrix said--"I drink too much wine, I must take a piss." 😛
Dodos are extinct basicly because they were a lot less intelligent than humans, who found it easy to shoot them... However, that doesn't mean they were "stupid"--I believe that intelligence is relative. For example, I can't teach an arowana how to read, but arowanas are clearly successful predators in the wild. Nothing is any more or less intelligent than it needs to be to survive.
If dodos still existed, people would be slightly less cautious about killing things heedlessly. We've caused enough species to go extinct that people are recently having second thoughts about too much hunting and environmental destruction and such.
Like Forcizzle said, this isn't based upon facts...
First off, I don't think that these things that happened weren't accidental, but I do believe that everything has a reason. I believe that things happen because of destiny, which I will not even get into. I don't think that chickens were accidently made from evolution. I don't believe in evolution at all. I believe in Christianity and the bible, and there are some things like this that cannot be explained in our life here on Erth. Therefore, I believe that the chicken came first, and until we enter afterlife, that's where it will stand.
For the last time... Evolution was not an accident. When did I say it was? When Bill has to go to the burn ward for the reason I described before, that's not an accident. (well actually... 😛) But it's not destiny either. It's the same thing with evolution. An accident is something tha happens totally by chance. I'm sick of explaining this so go back and read my other posts if you have any questions 😛 😉
i also am christian and believe in the Bible...but i enjoy reading the Bhagata-Gita. its alot different than the bible...
here's a small part i read last night
19/ Devouring the Forest Fire
While Krsna and Balarama and Their friends were engaged in the pastimes described above, the cows, being unobserved, began to wander off on their own, entering farther and farther into the deepest part of the forest, allured by fresh grasses. The goats, cows and buffalo traveled from one forest to another and entered the forest known as Isikatavi. This forest was full of green grass, and therefore they were allured; but when they entered, they saw that there was a forest fire, and they began to cry. On the other side, Balarama and Krsna, along with Their friends, could not find their animals, and they became very aggrieved. They began to trace the cows by following their footprints, as well as the path of eaten grass. All of the boys were fearing that their very means of livelihood, the cows, were now lost. Soon, however, they heard the crying of their cows. Krsna began to call the cows by their respective names, with great noise. Upon hearing Krsna calling, the cows immediately replied with joy. But by this time the forest fire surrounded all of them, and the situation appeared to be very fearful. The flames increased as the wind blew very quickly, and it appeared that everything movable and immovable would be devoured. All the cows and the boys became very frightened, and they looked towards Balarama the way a dying man looks at the picture of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. They said, "Dear Krsna and Balarama, we are now burning from the heat of this blazing fire. Let us take shelter of Your lotus feet. We know You can protect us from this great danger. Our dear friend Krsna, we are Your intimate friends. It is not right that we should suffer in this way. We are all completely dependent on You, and You are the knower of all religious life. We do not know anyone except You."
The Personality of Godhead heard the appealing voices of His friends, and casting a pleasing glance over them, He began to answer. By speaking through His eyes, He impressed His friends that there was no cause for fear. Then Krsna, the supreme mystic, the powerful Personality of Godhead, immediately swallowed up all the flames of the fire. The cows and boys were thus saved from imminent danger. Out of fear, the boys were almost unconscious, but when they regained their consciousness and opened their eyes, they saw that they were again in the forest with Krsna, Balarama and the cows. They were astonished to see that they were completely free from the attack of the blazing fire and that the cows were saved. They secretly thought that Krsna must not be an ordinary boy, but some demigod.
In the evening, Krsna and Balarama, along with the boys and cows, returned to Vrndavana, playing Their flutes. As they approached the village, all the gopis became very joyous. Throughout the day the gopis used to think of Krsna while He was in the forest, and in His absence they were considering one moment to be like twelve years.
Thus ends the Bhaktivedanta purport of the Nineteenth Chapter of Krsna, "Devouring the Forest Fire."
and here's a pic!!