Batman vs Spiderman and Carnage vs the Joker

uh ya they do.
BATMAN!! and are you saying that if you were on the "justice league" you could beat spidey? I think not. try to gets some facts supporting bats that are worth arguing about. Batman is still human. end of story.

batman is a free member of the justice league as well as spideman is a reserv avenger (wow averger fights world dictators , alien menace invasion, cosmic wars and stuff) so .,......................

Spiderman has class 10 strength, he can lift almost 11 tons. If he punched batman in the face ONCE with his hardest punch... His brains would be as good as scrambled eggs to venom.
Batman, looses.

So does the JL, they fight world Dictators (That one guy that can not die what ever his name is) They had their share of Alien battles, and they even fought the Injustice league (IF your going to the older show the Order of doom).

Batman does not have superhuman strength.

if the imortal u mean is from batman, his name is ras al gal (maybe mispelled)

dragon the punch factor thing cant be considered cos spiderman control himself when fightin normal humans, otherwise he would crack doctor octopus face when they meet (the comics ones but also the movie is valide)

I know this fight Deadly force will not be used from either hero.

No... they fixed that in the movies, he was delivering his hardest possible blows in the movie. Now in the comics, he never got a hit off him that close.

BUT IF WERE TALKING ABOUT WHO WOULD WIN, KILLING WISE, SPIDEY WOULD OWN HIM were not talking about there outside motives, were talking about duels to the death here, not about outside influences none of this "Reponsiblity" were talking about straight on fights to the death here.

Ra's Al Goul is not immortal, he uses the Lazarus Pit to rejouvinate himslef. Vandal(maybe Randal) Savage is the name id is thinking of.

this thread has gone on long enough and become pointless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then bat pc would compute
chance of win:
batman:0,000000000000000001%
spiderman: 99,999999999999999%
joker: are joking me? - 0%
carnage: 100%

end of topic

i have no objectoins to having this thread closed. its gotten run into the ground.

i never said i would be allowed in the JL.LOL! What I meant by saying that is that batman is definately worthy of the League to be a part of it! And that means that he must be able to atleast fight off spiderman.Seriously, batman is more than you guys give him credit for.

my post ws the most close of what would be like, by the way stop posting and just ignores him that he will shut up or either post for himself
(i give batman credits enough, tho they are not enough to beat spidey)
that my last post here

and you know nothing of spidey. you are stuck in your little obsessive batman world. the main reason j.l. lets batman on is his detective skills.(they need all the help they can get) he doesnt really help out their physical fighting ability that much, seeing as how he has no superpowers. ya, batman takes down bane, and joker, but hes not on par with the likes of wonder woman, superman and green lantern.

green lantern! lol!lol!hahahaah
OMG!GREEN LANTERN???
u gave me quite a laugh!!!
green lantern is all about the stupid ring!hahaahaha
and i think he's a soldier too, nothing bats cannot handle.

Green Lantern would slaughter Batman, now that his ring isn't weak to yellow anymore. Batman is a great detective, his mind is great, but going up against people who fight on cosmic levels(i.e. GL) is not what he does best.

are u serious? g.l. would own bats. g.l. stood up to the likes of the silver surfer. and dont tell me u think for one sec. bats could take surfer.