Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Evil is subjective, depending on which side you are. theres no deffinition to it. If person is doing something and things he/she is not evil or that his/her actions are not evil, then their actions will be evil to some people and not to the others.Thus, evil, just like truth, is sjubective and cannot be defined.
But, there are still absolute truths based on the human condition. Things that don't change or exist in certainty.
Well, I'm talking about things like, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. That's why my definition of evil is a total sense of apathy. You can kill someone, and feel sorry for it or regret it. But if you kill someone and don't care that you've taken another life, then that would be my definition of evil.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
But, there are still absolute truths based on the human condition. Things that don't change or exist in certainty.
Yeah, what AC said.
If you and i are sat at the table and you see the apple and i see the pear who is right and who is wrong?
If you see one and i see the other, then thats our truths - who is right? Its subjective...theres no absolutes.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yeah, what AC said.If you and i are sat at the table and you see the apple and i see the pear who is right and who is wrong?
If you see one and i see the other, then thats our truths - who is right? Its subjective...theres no absolutes.
Well, that's symantics. My example of the sun rising in the east and setting in teh west could only be argued if we want to disagree on which direction is east and which is west. But certain things are established. Things like numbers and mathematics are facts. In fact most of the world is numbers. But, the point of what you're saying...I thinkn is that you see an apple and I see a pear...but the absolute truth is that it's fruit.
Reality is not subjective, our perception of it might be, but that doesn't change reality.
No, sorry, we're not gonna agree on this.
I think there is no such thing as an absolute truth - also, the numbers themselfs are not facts. And the world is not made up of fact.
Everything is open to interpretation in my opinion - and here we are displaying exactly that - you are seeing one side and i am seeing the other. to you your argument is the truth, to me my argument is the truth (about truth 🤪 )
The thing about evil is - its subjective - depending on who you are and which side of the fence you're standing on.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, sorry, we're not gonna agree on this.I think there is no such thing as an absolute truth - also, the numbers themselfs are not facts. And the world is not made up of fact.
Everything is open to interpretation in my opinion - and here we are displaying exactly that - you are seeing one side and i am seeing the other. to you your argument is the truth, to me my argument is the truth (about truth 🤪 )
The thing about evil is - its subjective - depending on who you are and which side of the fence you're standing on.
It's okay if we don't agree. That's fine. I still love you.
But, the world is made of numbers. The world is made of nature. And if you examine nature, you will find a symetry to it. and symetry cannot exist with out numbers.
There are some absolute truths.
People will always make the attempt to deny fact. There is a Sun and a Moon, truth. Absolute. You can't deny that there's either.
The thing about the pear: If there is actually a pear there, it's a pear. It's not about someone being smart and saying "Well I think it's an apple." Coz it's not.
-AC
Originally posted by peterKSL
Do you think, you, can understand all his motives? Don't judge when you don't even know...The only evil is us... for all evil comes from mankind.. Harmony and paradise could be a nightmare, if there wasn't something to refresh us...
It is the feeling of fear, that brought us together... People form communities, communicate more, because of fear alone...If there was no terrorist in this world, do you think we would be able to defend ourselves, if there was another species invading us? (aliens, animals)..??
wow dont jump down my throat im just explaining that if people are going to believe in their all powerful god then they are going to have to deal with the fact that he isnt the all loving deity that he's made out to be, and if he is all loving then he isnt all powerful because evil exist and he has the power to get rid of it. im not saying that a world without evil is better but it could be we dont know. personally im not a big religious person but u cant have it both ways.. u cant have god all powerful and all loving. its one or the other, he may have characteristics of both good and power but he cant have both as absolutes... does anyone see my point??
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There are some absolute truths.People will always make the attempt to deny fact. There is a Sun and a Moon, truth. Absolute. You can't deny that there's either.
The thing about the pear: If there is actually a pear there, it's a pear. It's not about someone being smart and saying "Well I think it's an apple." Coz it's not.
-AC
Well see, that's kind of my point. There is an absolute in there. Another absolute would be that one of us was right and one of us was wrong...as far as the Pear was concerned.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Evil is subjective, depending on which side you are. theres no deffinition to it. If person is doing something and things he/she is not evil or that his/her actions are not evil, then their actions will be evil to some people and not to the others.Thus, evil, just like truth, is sjubective and cannot be defined.
It being subjective is arguable, hoever it doesn't then logically follow that it is indefinable.
It is argued by many philosophers that there is no absolute truth. It is an interesting argument. A fact could always be disputed.
Evil.
The definition of what is considered "Evil" otherwise may differ according to point of view. In the Western world, some philosophers reject the idea of evil. Plato, for example, argued that that which we call Evil is merely ignorance and that which we call good is merely that which everyone desires. Those who assert a more universal code of ethics view Plato's definition as one based merely on situation and based on ethics or values. Plato's criticism is thus itself criticised as an attack on ethics itself, suggesting that philosophy can have meaning and value without ethics and the honor associated with ethical belief. Benedict de Spinoza was even more radical, according to him the concept of good and evil is merely one of personal inclinations: "Such things as please us, we denominate good, those which displease us, evil." After reading this little portion of literature, i'd like to know your own opinions.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
But who will know, if one sees one and the other sees another.This is an example - a simple example of a more complex issue - and the point is, that the truth is not the same to everyone.
No, no, the truth is by definition the same to everyone. What we perceive and think is the truth might not be the same.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Well see, that's kind of my point. There is an absolute in there. Another absolute would be that one of us was right and one of us was wrong...as far as the Pear was concerned.
This is also not true. What if neither pof you was right? What if there is no truth. What if there is no you?
[edit] I just realized how much of an idiot I am. Of course I didn't want to say that it is not "true", but that we do not know if it is true or if something such as truth even exists.
Originally posted by NLGgreen
I just think EVIL: is the act of doing something that you are aware(consciously)of, in order to purposely HARM others(in any way).Hitler HARMED others, even though he thought it was good, it was & still is NOT...therefore he was EVIL.
True but think about any war incident. No matter whose side you are on you are harming the other side -even if you think it is right. So were the British and American soldiers at D-day evil? Were the Germans really evil either back then? No, they were simply following a cause that was did evil. And Hitler himself, though insane was not neccessarily evil either because he did what he did thinking it was right. He was wrong, but not evil. If he beleived what he was doing was wrong and did it anyways, then he is evil -but only in cases like that can "evil" be given to a person because it is all a point of view.
Evil is a kind of thought adjective that describes in my mind, an idea or cause that is generally unaccepted by the majority (even if for good cause) and wrong/ morally wrong is given to a person.