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Essentially this is your argument. You question his abilities because you have not read anything on him. This happens so often here - people choose an outcome based on their decent knowledge of ONE particular character.
What are you talking about? I've read thread after thread on this, no one put Prime above Thanos with the Gauntlet. And not everyone have read ever comic, it doesn't mean they shouldn't get to debate based on the infos they gathered from bios and reading post.
You have the issue numbers. You have a synopsis. *snicker* @ "what ***other*** impressive feats has he done." You trivialize his fighting PAST the gates (and erm who do you think stopped him if he fought PAST the gates INTO heaven?) sans any knowledge of what the angels of the DC universe are capable of. Good God, did you read Morrison's run on JLA? The story arc entitled - ah shit, I forget. One sec...okay, "Heaven On Earth." JLA #7. READ it.
Here is a profile of ONE Angel, Asmodel.
"A former angel of the Bull-Host of Heaven, who fell to damnation after a rebellion and an encounter with Zauriel and the JLA. He used the Spectre-force to take over Hell and attempted to cleanse the Earth of sinners, but was defeated by the Spectre and Earth's super-heroes. He is currently imprisoned in Heaven, since Hell was not able to hold him. He still refuses to consider himself fallen."
The Spectre Force. Familiar with the Spectre Force? He fought MANY of these types and triumphed.
What's your point? Marvel doesn't have a Heaven or Hell, how was Thanos going to break or rule anything if it doesn't exist? Marvel's Death realm or Mephisto's realm could be considered the equivalent and Thanos with the Gauntlet beat them both.
You stated that Micheal beat him, but never even proved it. Micheal and Lucifer were the first of GOD's creation - these are top angels. Beating regular angels means nothing compared to beating Micheal or Lucifer.
All you proved so far is that he wrestled with *gods and demons* not even angels according to the statement you posted.
You want gods well here's a list: Darkseid, Thor, Odin, Orion, Kalibak, Loki. You want higher gods or god-like: Galactus, Chronos, Eternity, Death, Yuga Khan, Imperiex.
Demon's you say? Mephisto, Set, Cthon, Shuma Gorath, Dormammu, etc.
Arachnoidfreak is correct here. Superman Prime WITH the Sword of Truth AND the GL Ring.
Thanos has NO chance with The Infinity Gauntlet. PERIOD. Hello, the Green Lantern ring? That which is capable of doing WHATEVER it's wearer is capable of imagining - and its power is contingent on the user's will? SUPERMAN was able to shake off Mageddon with the assistance of Batman. This is Superman PRIME.
The Sword of Truth warps reality. Time. Space. Heh, I LOVE Marvel characters. I do not LIKE DC characters (only Batman really).
Thanos loses.
So the Sword of Truth warps reality, time, space. Chronos used time as a weapon against the Titan as well, but Thanos beat him as well because the Time Gem allowed him FULL mastery over this power. Lord Chaos and Master Order used reality against him and lost as well because of mastery over reality. Eternity was the embodiment of space, time, reality, and more but he too lost.
What about the Soul gem, Power gem, or Mind gem which gives Thanos mastery (not just these powers) over this powers as well.
As for the GL ring, so WHAT? You're comparing one GL ring against the Infinity Gautlet's power?
Originally posted by Beyonder
NeverWhat are you talking about? I've read thread after thread on this, no one put Prime above Thanos with the Gauntlet. And not everyone have read ever comic, it doesn't mean they shouldn't get to debate based on the infos they gathered from bios and reading post.
You choose Thanos yet have little to zero knowledge of Superman Prime's ability. That's like betting on Seabiscuit because you are familiar with him yet asking..."who the hell is Man O' War anyway?"
What's your point? Marvel doesn't have a Heaven or Hell, how was Thanos going to break or rule anything if it doesn't exist? Marvel's Death realm or Mephisto's realm could be considered the equivalent and Thanos with the Gauntlet beat them both.
You stated that Micheal beat him, but never even proved it. Micheal and Lucifer were the first of GOD's creation - these are top angels. Beating regular angels means nothing compared to beating Micheal or Lucifer.
All you proved so far is that he wrestled with *gods and demons* not even angels according to the statement you posted.
What the fack? Did you read my post? You trivialized Prime's battling the angels sans ANY knowledge whatsoever about said angel's abilities (same way you trivialized Prime's abilities yet you know little about him). LMAO @ "beating regular angels means NOTHING" when Asmodel, ONE angel, took over hell via the Spectre Force. And of course you are not familiar with the "Spectre Force is." Would make sense to research something prior to dismissing it as inferior, yes? Unlike you, I am familiar with BOTH characters.
LoL, I never "proved it" Michael beat Superman 1M because I do not have the EXACT issue number. I gave YOU the issue numbers to do the research.
You want gods well here's a list: Darkseid, Thor, Odin, Orion, Kalibak, Loki. You want higher gods or god-like: Galactus, Chronos, Eternity, Death, Yuga Khan, Imperiex.
Demon's you say? Mephisto, Set, Cthon, Shuma Gorath, Dormammu, etc.
Er. Thor and Odin do not belong in the same sentence with Darkseid. Demons? Mephisto? Haaaaaaaa how about The Great Evil Beast in the DCU? Right, not familiar with him. But anyway...
So the Sword of Truth warps reality, time, space. Chronos used time as a weapon against the Titan as well, but Thanos beat him as well because the Time Gem allowed him FULL mastery over this power. Lord Chaos and Master Order used reality against him and lost as well because of mastery over reality. Eternity was the embodiment of space, time, reality, and more but he too lost.
What about the Soul gem, Power gem, or Mind gem which gives Thanos mastery (not just these powers) over this powers as well.
As for the GL ring, so WHAT? You're comparing one GL ring against the Infinity Gautlet's power?
LoL. Rather, rinse, repeat. Just LMAO @ "so what." I challenge you to READ JLA 1,000,000. I GUARANTEE you will not return with that same attitude.
How is it that this guy does not see that The Sword of Truth (that which alters REALITY. You know, reshapes reality to the users very WHIM?) and the GL Ring (which is capable of doing WHATEVER the user can IMAGINE) at the VERY least matches the IG in power is BEYOND me. Mano y mano Superman Prime with NO weapons stomps Thanos with no weapons.
Give him his IG. Give Superman Prime his regular weapons.
Thanos gets STOMPED.
Superman isn't invincible. I hate that craptacular argument that Superman-haters put up. Superman has gotten his ass handed to him plenty of times, with and without Kryptonite present. Superman watches over the entire WORLD by himself(when he isn't with the JLA). Batman, Wonder Woman, even Martian Manhunter cannot say the same(though MM is fully capable). Superman deserves his powers.
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Originally posted by FeceMan
Perhaps it is just me, but why would anyone make a character so invincible? I thought the original Superman was bad, but Superman Prime? Is there any point to having a villain?
He is not invincible. In terms of power he grades out at 84th in the entire DC Universe. He's...powerful, but DC has tons MORE powerful individuals.
LoL, he's only "faster than a speeding tachyon, more powerful than the gravitational pull of a collapsing star, able to leap from world to world in a single bound" (page 21, DC 1,000,000. are we comprehending this? more powerful than the gravitational pull of a black hole. chew on that). He has enough wind in his lungs to extinguish a RED GIANT sun (page 11, DC 1,000,000 #2). He jumped form earth to the moon in JLA 1,000,000. He has "Super Telekinesis." He is able to calculate several BILLION possible outcomes simulatneously (page 5, DC 1,000,000 #2). Heat vision is capable of producing temperatures exceeding fifteen MILLION kelvin units (page 4, DC 1,000,000 #3). He used raindrops to hypnotize an unruly crowd on page 22. Ten completely new senses entered the Superman bloodline when the Superman of the 67th century (that's what I was referencing earlier) married Gzntplzk, the Queen of the 5th dimension (page 22, DC 1,000,000). We are familiar with 5th dimensional beings, yes? They are able to control every phase of everything in dimensions "lower" than them - 4th dimension (time), 3rd dimension (space), 2nd dimension (planes), 1st dimension (points).
He punched through the time barrier from the 21st century to the 853rd century (page 21, DC 1,000,000 #3). Hello...? Through 832 centuries.
By the way, he does this without the Sword of Truth and Green Lantern Ring. Just regular Superman Prime.
I would have more descriptions/feats but I seem to have misplaced my DC 1,000,000 #4. I will also skip down to the comic shop this weekend and repurchase the issues that I listed for the hell of it.
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He is not invincible. In terms of power he grades out at 84th in the entire DC Universe. He's...powerful, but DC has tons MORE powerful individuals.
LoL, he's only "faster than a speeding tachyon, more powerful than the gravitational pull of a collapsing star, able to leap from world to world in a single bound" (page 21, DC 1,000,000). He has enough wind in his lungs to extinguish a RED GIANT sun (page 11, DC 1,000,000 #2). He jumped form earth to the moon in JLA 1,000,000. He has "Super Telekinesis." He is able to calculate several BILLION possible outcomes simulatneously (page 5, DC 1,000,000 #2). Heat vision is capable of producing temperatures exceeding fifteen MILLION kelvin units (page 4, DC 1,000,000 #3). He used raindrops to hypnotize an unruly crowd on page 22. Ten completely new senses entered the Superman bloodline when the Superman of the 67th century (that's what I was referencing earlier) married Gzntplzk, the Queen of the 5th dimension (page 22, DC 1,000,000). We are familiar with 5th dimensional beings, yes? They are able to control every phase of everything in dimensions "lower" than them - 4th dimension (time), 3rd dimension (space), 2nd dimension (flat planes), 1st dimension (points).
He punched through the time barrier from the 21st century to the 853rd century (page 21, DC 1,000,000 #3). Hello...? Through 832 centuries.
By the way, he does this without the Sword of Truth and Green Lantern Ring. Just regular Superman Prime.
I would have more descriptions/feats but I seem to have misplaced my DC 1,000,000 #4. I will also skip down to the comic shop this weekend and repurchase the issues that I listed for the hell of it.
Now I'm confused. Wasn't it Superman 1 million who broke through time? Or are you saying Prime and 1 million are the same guy?
Superman Prime and Superman 1M are one and the same. If I am not mistaken, the "1M" simply comes from the name of the crossover that Grant Morrison wrote. They are all members of Justice Legion "A" - Flash 1M, Aquaman 1M (complete control over water down to the molecular level. was going to superheat the water in Zauriel's blood to knock him unconscious), Wonder Woman 1M (her bracelets Harmony and Chastity are sentient. Wonder Woman herself is composed of living marble), Batman 1M (hahahaha you thought Bruce Wayne was smart? Although no longer Bruce Wayne, Batman 1M has an IQ of....sit down now...1045), Hourman 1M, Starman 1M.
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Superman Prime and Superman 1M are one and the same. If I am not mistaken, the "1M" simply comes from the name of the crossover that Grant Morrison wrote. They are all members of Justice Legion "A" - Flash 1M, Aquaman 1M (complete control over water down to the molecular level. was going to superheat the water in Zauriel's blood to knock him unconscious), Wonder Woman 1M (her bracelets Harmony and Chastity are sentient. Wonder Woman herself is composed of living marble), Batman 1M (hahahaha you thought Bruce Wayne was smart? Although no longer Bruce Wayne, Batman 1M has an IQ of....sit down now...1045), Hourman 1M, Starman 1M.
http://members.fortunecity.com/mjst...rmanDynasty.htm
They're two different people according to what I know from reading threads in other forums and from this site you provided. Superman 1 million is but a decedent of Prime.
I got this part here from the link you provided. Basically after Lois died, Superman left and ventured the cosmos. One of his later descendants married the Queen of the 5th Dimensional Imp which meant that every Supermen that came from that line had 5th Imp blood in them.
It is not recorded what happened to Superman Prime during his long exile from Earth, but it is believed that he learned much about himself and his powers. While the powers of the Superman Dynasty evolved over the years Superman Prime did not gain the extra mental powers or sensory abilities obtained by the union with the Fifth Dimension. Upon his return it became evident that he had certainly changed becoming almost god like in terms of power. There is evidence for this in his resurrection of Lois Lane (with help from Lzyxm Ltpkz) and his covenant with the Superman Dynasty. The Superman Prime that appeared out of the sun in the year 85,271 is certainly the post powerful member of the Superman Dynasty ever seen and it is quite conceivable that he is now a New God despite his returned humanity. It should be also noted that Superman Prime is currently in possession of the last of the Green Lantern power rings.
It also says that it "is quite conceivble that he is now a New God despite his returned humanity." If this is truly so (that he's now a New God), then he's much weaker then expected. Rather odd since Prime should be above the New Gods.
Regarding the "Sword of Truth," are you talking about "The Sword of Superman" or something else?
