Why the hell is this thread still continuing? The 'Toadfans' out there are more likely Ray Park fans than anything else. Ray Park would give Spider-Man more of a run for his money than Toad. He is a weak character and has been since X-Men 4 or whenever he was introduced. His agility and 'martial arts' skills are in no way superior to Spider-Man's. When was the last time you walked outside and saw a toad that could move the way a spider can? Furthermore, when comparing his tongue and Spidey's web, it's immediately clear that the web is a superior and more flexible weapon. I can't fathom why this debate even exists. Spider-Ham would beat Toad, much less Spider-Man.
Originally posted by Mightyrain
First of all Sabretooth has the same healing factor as Wolverine... so it would be pretty easy to put him in another X-Men movieSecondly Toad would die in a fight against spidey... Spiderman has super strength, super agility and the ability to sense any danger... not to mention an unlimited distance for him to shoot his webbing and the fact that he can climb and stick to anysurface... Toad can jump really high (so can spidey) and has slime stuff to shoot... which wouldn't effect spidey like it did Jean... because spidey can take off his mask... his super long tongue only shoots like 15 feet...
He wouldn't 'die' in a fight against Spidey, Spider-Man doesn't kill and only tried to once. He doesn't have unlimited distance for his webbing either, but it is much longer than Toad's tongue.
Also, Spider-Man is extremely intelligent, whichever one of you said otherwise. He would have been a scientist if not for the fact that he keeps bitching about that 'with great power comes great responsibility.' His intelligent was I think at 4 back in the old days when 4 meant genius. He's not Reed Richards or Dr. Doom, but he's just one tier under.
And Spider-Man's webbing actually does 'paralyze' in the sense that someone at Toad's strength level would not be able to break out of it. Again, this fight is just absurd, Toad may keep Spidey on his feet for a couple of pages just because Spider-Man would be like 'what the hell is this guy!' but after a few smart-ass jokes, Spidey wins hands down.
That statement doesn't make any sense. For something to be 'unlimited,' it's unlimited. Not in comparison to anything. Spider-Man's webbing is not unlimited. He uses cartridges which empty as he shoots the webbing, and he can only shoot it a hundred or so yards. That's not unlimited in any sense. Of course Spider-Man's webbing is superior to Toad's tongue, no question, but that doesn't make it unlimited.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
That statement doesn't make any sense. For something to be 'unlimited,' it's unlimited. Not in comparison to anything. Spider-Man's webbing is not unlimited. He uses cartridges which empty as he shoots the webbing, and he can only shoot it a hundred or so yards. That's not unlimited in any sense. Of course Spider-Man's webbing is superior to Toad's tongue, no question, but that doesn't make it unlimited.
i am a ray park fan, and i've been a toad fan before brian singer even thought of making an xman movie with ray park playing toad
toads tongue isnt his only ability, neither is his ability to "jump high", they both have the same level of strength as where spidey has his webbing toad has his slime and incredible gusts of wind, as where spidey could stick to any surface, so can toad.....and movie wise (which is the topic at hand) spiderman has no martial arts skills what so ever, toad can carry ten tons with both legs and arms, and is more experienced than the movie spiderman (being as bryan singer used the toad in xmen-forever for the xmen movie, which is the toad that had all his powers incredibly hightened by the strangers technology)
and yes spiderman is intelligent, he could've been a scientist so what, this is a fight not a science experiment......what he's gonna scream scientific equations and thats gonna beat toad, who by the way has used technology spiderman has never even heard of
this is more of a debate against people who actually know about toad's history and experience, to the people that think "well he's a toad so he jumps high and has a long tongue"
Spider-Man : faster + stronger + smarter + more durable + more experienced + web + spider-sense + superior reflexes + superior agility
Toad : hm, third-rate villain with strong legs and a long tongue ?
Gosh, I wonder who will win this battle.
(By the way, Toad in the X-Men was pretty cool, but still not strong enough to take on Spider-Man.)
Originally posted by Mightyrain
He doesn't use the shooters in the movies... it comes out of his wrists naturally. And if he can swing from the top of buildings... right above traffic... and shoot to the top of another building to swing again... and again... and again... he has to have tons of the stuff. If he only had a few hundred yards... he could only swing one time and would be out. In regards to it being unlimited... he would only have to shoot as far as he was from Toad... meaning if Toad was in sight Spidey could hit him... in a fight it would be virtually unlimited as Toad would not be able to out run it.
Yes I know, but they changed it for the movie. Usually one considers the classic Spider-Man for battles. And he swings between the buildings, which are not hundreds of yards apart, they are hundreds of feet apart. Also, spiders do not have unlimited webbing, they must regenerate, so even though we haven't seen Spider-Man's limit in the movie, he most certainly has one.
Originally posted by Havoc470
i am a ray park fan, and i've been a toad fan before brian singer even thought of making an xman movie with ray park playing toadtoads tongue isnt his only ability, neither is his ability to "jump high", they both have the same level of strength as where spidey has his webbing toad has his slime and incredible gusts of wind, as where spidey could stick to any surface, so can toad.....and movie wise (which is the topic at hand) spiderman has no martial arts skills what so ever, toad can carry ten tons with both legs and arms, and is more experienced than the movie spiderman (being as bryan singer used the toad in xmen-forever for the xmen movie, which is the toad that had all his powers incredibly hightened by the strangers technology)
and yes spiderman is intelligent, he could've been a scientist so what, this is a fight not a science experiment......what he's gonna scream scientific equations and thats gonna beat toad, who by the way has used technology spiderman has never even heard of
this is more of a debate against people who actually know about toad's history and experience, to the people that think "well he's a toad so he jumps high and has a long tongue"
You can be a Toad fan all you like, that doesn't detract from the fact that he IS in fact a third-rate villain. I happen to be a fan of Traveller *Spider-Man comics* who in hardly a major player. It's about facts, not 'who's my favorite.'
Toad is NOT as strong as Spider-Man. Where do you get that information from? He's only strong with his legs and he can even though only lift *or push I guess* two or three tons; Spider-Man has lifted over 10 tons many times. And I never said it was a battle of intelligence, I just pointed out to someone who said Spider-Man is not particularly bright how mistaken that assessment really is; Toad's history is not very impressive. He was never intended to be a major player, Singer just included him because of his personal liking towards him. Also, nowhere was it said in the original posts that the topic was movie-based. Spider-Man is Spider-Man. And his martial-arts skills are good enough to take down a dozen ninjas, thus his martial-arts skills are quite sufficient.
Originally posted by chrissyg
im talking about in the movies
once again, for the 13th time, the Toad in xmen THE MOVIE was taken from XMEN-FOREVER, if you havent read it then i suggest you at least read a synopsis somewhere, in xmen-forever toad, pheonix, iceman, and mystique (and i think juggernaut) have this amazing universal battle with the stranger, when in his ship toad gets hurt so they take him to the medical room of the strangers ship (of course its all in a hurry the stranger is after them) and while healing toad he also had his powers strengthened 100%....that means he could lift 20 tons with his legs and 10 tons with his arms, he also gained the ability of incredibly strong gusts of wind, paralyzing slime, and over-all amazing reflexes, see toad was born in a test tube and he was a mutant but a mutant made with another gene that basically caused his mutant gene to never work at full potential, in the strangers ship that gene was completely destroyed and he got all those powers that i just mentioned earlier
now, this fight had to do with the MOVIE VERSIONS of the two characters, where as spiderman started from the very beginning when he gets bitten by the spider and all that, the first xmen started off with all the characters already aware of eachother, the xmen have seen toad before, the brotherhood have seen the xmen before (except for wolverine)in other words theres a complete history there where as the spiderman movie started out freshly, so spiderman's only experience was fighting head to head with the green goblin, and saving people from dock ock's schemes
You want the movie-Toad ? No problem, I'll give you the movie-Toad.
Movie-Spider-Man against movie-Toad => Spider-Man wins. The only thing he hasn't got as much as the comic Spider-Man, is his experience. But he still has plenty of other abilities to humiliate Toad.
And maybe movie Toad was (roughly !) based on that one from X-Men Forever, but why do you assume - without the proof to back it up - he possessed the same powers as the one from X-Men Forever ? Do you really really think that some time before the X-Men movie started, in the same continuity, Toad was fighting the Stranger together with Iceman and that therefore his powers were enhanced ?
Lol 😛
In the movies, I saw some very impressive stuff from Spider-Man ! But only a little bit funny moves from Toad. Again, Spider-Man wins.
ugh, brian singer stated it in an interview for the first xmen movie........and just because he took the toad from the forever story arc doesnt mean he took the whole story arc and mended it with the movie, in the last pages of xmen-forever they show mystique and toad in their movie forms on purpose, because mystique was also transformed while on the strangers ship
what did he do in spiderman, punched green goblin a few times and landed a small brick wall on his head, and then got hit by a bag of coins from dock ock then owned him by taking aunt may lol....wow impressive stuff -_-
i've never even said toad would win, im just being even sided, im as much of a spiderman fan as i am a toad fan
Originally posted by Havoc470
ugh, brian singer stated it in an interview for the first xmen movie........and just because he took the toad from the forever story arc doesnt mean he took the whole story arc and mended it with the movie, in the last pages of xmen-forever they show mystique and toad in their movie forms on purpose, because mystique was also transformed while on the strangers ship
Apart from the web (a minor change), Spider-Man had exactly the same powers. And unless proved otherwise, Toad was not significantly stronger than his comic-version.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/article/showquestion.asp?faq=4&fldAuto=149 read the 3rd question and its answer
and here http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1073
as for what you saw in the movie compared to what actually is, i cant help against that its just you proving a point that spiderman wins....although thats not what im fighting against because i havent even said spiderman or toad would win, im simply laying toad's true abilities on the table
Originally posted by Havoc470
this is from the person who made this topiconce again, for the 13th time, the Toad in xmen THE MOVIE was taken from XMEN-FOREVER, if you havent read it then i suggest you at least read a synopsis somewhere, in xmen-forever toad, pheonix, iceman, and mystique (and i think juggernaut) have this amazing universal battle with the stranger, when in his ship toad gets hurt so they take him to the medical room of the strangers ship (of course its all in a hurry the stranger is after them) and while healing toad he also had his powers strengthened 100%....that means he could lift 20 tons with his legs and 10 tons with his arms, he also gained the ability of incredibly strong gusts of wind, paralyzing slime, and over-all amazing reflexes, see toad was born in a test tube and he was a mutant but a mutant made with another gene that basically caused his mutant gene to never work at full potential, in the strangers ship that gene was completely destroyed and he got all those powers that i just mentioned earlier
now, this fight had to do with the MOVIE VERSIONS of the two characters, where as spiderman started from the very beginning when he gets bitten by the spider and all that, the first xmen started off with all the characters already aware of eachother, the xmen have seen toad before, the brotherhood have seen the xmen before (except for wolverine)in other words theres a complete history there where as the spiderman movie started out freshly, so spiderman's only experience was fighting head to head with the green goblin, and saving people from dock ock's schemes
Yeah well that's not how she put the original posting. Someone probably went over head so she said that. Notice how she hasn't been back since because she probably doesn't know the actual characters. Spider-Man is Spider-Man, like I said. Did you even see X-Men?? They did not all know each other. The Brotherhood and the X-Men had never met until they battled. I guess you didn't see Spider-Man 2 either because he didn't just 'save people from Doc Ock's schemes' he actually fought Doc Ock. This is an absurd debate. Spider-Man outclasses Toad in every way. He would be laughing his ass off the entire fight and making smart ass comments like 'you and Gibbon should start a Completely Useless Character club.'
either way she made the topic and she said it, simple as that, spiderman did fight dock ock but then dock ock turned towards aunt may which completely changed the fight and thats why sam raimi did it, he wanted to show the true power behind dock ock is attacking spiderman with hostage situations, for example the train ride and aunt may, and yes they did know eachother because wolverine asks professor x "why dont you just find magneto and go to his lair" and xavier replies "because he found a way to block cerebro" in other words theres a past there, as long as xavier and magneto know eachother the brotherhood has met the xmen, in case you havent bothered reading the prologue to the first xmen movie
as for useless, i'm not really gonna say much.....except the brotherhood of mutant 1 (with toad being their leader) beat up sleepwalker, spiderman, and darkhawk to get to a man named Portal....they succeed with toad battling spiderman all out (darkhawk #19-20, sleepwalker #17) the next day they were gonna use Portal to go somewhere but darkhawk and sleepwalker interrupted with knocking out toad and sauron then taking out blob and pyro head to head, and using the hypnotized Portal to escape, flash forward, after being in emma frosts house for the hellfire club not wanting toad and emma feeling bad for him, toad meets the surgeon who was said to highten toads powers a little, he was then deemed nuts and as in a mental institution where xmen forever starts off, and thats where him, pheonix, iceman, mystique, and juggernaut fight the stranger on his ship and having to save toad hightening his powers and needing him for his intelligence with the strangers technology he turns strangers own ship against him and then makes the ship implode on their exit
theres probably billions of mistakes on this and yes i did type it all, for reference you could go here http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/pov/showquestion.asp?faq=5&fldAuto=32 as for pictures im gonna have to scrounge up those old comics and scan them or find them somewhere online
Yeah but that wasn't originally stated by the poster. Spidy and Ock fought several times throughout and at the end. And no they did not know each other, Magneto and Xavier knew each other since childhood, but the rest of the Brotherhood and X-Men respectively did not. What do you mean 'reading' the prologue? In the movie *which for whatever reason you keep bringing up as though the movies outweigh the comics* they did not know each other, hence the blank looks on their face when they met each other.
All the characters you mentioned as 'including him...etc.' far outclass Toad. Juggernaut?? Phoenix?? Iceman even?? They make Toad look like a...well...toad.
the comic book prologue to the first xmen movie explains how they know eachother, yeah thats the funny part about xmen-forever, toad is the first to get knocked out by the stranger, mystique stays away while iceman does whatever he does and juggernaut holds the stranger back, which is when pheonix think "the only person who could work his technology is" and thats when she finds out in order to stop stranger they need to wake toad up and thats the moment where everyone looks back in shock at a knocked-out toad lol, it was a cool change of events
The comic book prologue is a ploy to make money. They always are. Obviously they're going to come up with something to say, however, that's not how the movie portrayed it. Read the comics, watch the movie, but don't combine them.
So basically they chose the weakest mutant ever to be the key to defeating the Stranger? That's fairly clever for a Marvel writer, lol.