Here comes the man-spider 2: the reasons on a new betrayal(spoilers)

Originally posted by carnage713
ok first off i have too say that robo chocobobo (or what ever the hell his name is), put it best. its impossible to make a movie that is intirey true to the comics. there is no where enuff time to intruduce all the characters and fit them into the plot in 2hrs. if there is one thing that the spidey films do best is character development, and there relationships with each other. if u want to hate on these films then u can but id rather watch the movies then sit around all day readin the comics. take these films for what they are worth, ask ppl who have never picked up a comic and then ask them if they liked the movies, ill bet u a million dollars 99.9% will say they liked them...... and by the way u dont have to be a comic book junkie to actually be a fan of spiderman.

and secondly i personally dont find a alien from outer space ( superman) that realistic, especially that he can fly, hes faster then a speedin bullet, man of steel, has x ray vision, and is practically invincepal.

Carnage to say that this manspider franchise of sonys that what they do best is character development is absolutely ludicrise.Not only did they betray the main character of peter parker by turning him into a damn monster with those moronic organic webshooters but they also betrayed the character of MARY JANE making her most like gwen stacy and hardly nothing at all like the mary jane from the comics. 🙄 and boy thats really grasping at straws saying 99% of people who did not read the comics will say they liked the film because I have seen on other message boards and people in real life who never read the comics that they did not like the movie.I have also encountered quite a few people over the years who never read the comic who liked the cartoon show better.that statement is laughable.and bakerboy never said ANYWHERE that he wants the movie to be exactly like the comics so stop putting words in his mouth.the comics are far better and superiour written than this stupid manspider franchise of sonys.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Thank you, Mr Zero.

Quit your bitching, bakerboy.

obviously a kid who is insecure about criticisems of a movie you like. 🙄

Originally posted by carnage713
wow now this is getting really mature, and are u bakerboys mom? do u need to come back and defend him? SOO WHAT U DONT LIKE THE MOVIES.... TOO BAD, im a big spidy fan and i enjoyed the movies.
And im sry but about superman beeing better, HAHA are u kiddin me? HIS ONLY DISGUISE IS AS CLARK KENT IS HE WEARS GLASSES AND PARTS HIS HAIR TO THE OPOSITE SIDE! maybee its true to the comics but come on, if n e one told me supes was better then spidey id laugh in there face.

No your just a manspider fan who goes along with whatever stupid nonsense and crap sony throws at you and your chilidish behaviour hardly qualifys you as being marure not being able to stand critisism of a movie you like. 🙄 and bakerboy is right, SUPERMAN is 10 times better of a movie than this god awful MANSPIDER movie is.

Originally posted by Mr Zero
all i hear is "whaaaa! whaaaaa!"

Read my "faithful to the comics" post and answer my comments there - I keep asking you "organics are a sin - keep it faithful!!!" geeks these questions about how you would handle it and you all ignore me because you KNOW remaining faithful to the books would look dumb.

What you want is faithful to how you see the character in your head - as the 2004 spider-man : which is a different thing altogether. Im happy to hear you say "the movies aren't what I wanted and I didnt enjoy them" but to say they are a betrayal is plain wrong.

They capture what lies at the heart of spidey - parkers difficulty in being parker and his unrestrained JOY at being in the suit. Anything else is nitpicking.

No remaining faithful would not look dumb at all,trying to make your own little version like sony did DOES and DID look dumb.No thats actually hitting the nail right on the head when saying the movie is a betrayal to his character and the comicbook. a true fan would understand that and its funny that you say all you here is whaaaaa because thats pretty much what all you manspider fans are doing is going whaaaa with your childish antics of BAKERBOY SHUT UP!!! ect. 🙄

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Some people just don't understand the concepts of time constraints in movies. It's the SOLE REASON why Spiderman didn't have webshooters.

Hey, Spiderman loses his powers temporarily in the comics too. Hope you didn't forget about that one.

Some people also don't understand psychology, not that I blame them, it's quite complicated for such simple minds. Look at Superfly's response above, it's correct.

Complaining(a negative review is when you bash a movie for actually being a crap movie, not because it isn't 100% like the comic book) isn't going the change anything, Sam Raimi is still making millions while you go to sleep clutching your Spiderman comics in the fetal position.

Kirsten Dunst is...uuuhh...yea. Ew. Like I've said before, They should've had Gwen in the first one. Killing her off at the bridge scene(cuz that's how she died, if i remember correctly), and then having Mary Jane(someone who WASN'T Kirsten. She should just stay away from comic book movies. She was shit in Crow: Salvation too) there to help Peter out would have been perfect.

No the SOLE reason for WHY the webshooters were not in the movie is because sony just wanted to make their own little version,nothing more.the webshooters could have been in there with a short two minute montage sequence that EASILY could have been done.I agree with you that GWEN should have been in the first film,however I disagree that she should have died in that film.That was a stupid mistake they made in the comics that gerry conway-the writer came up with at that time-may he burn in hell for killing off gwen stacy. 😠 it was a stupid mistake that NEVER should have happened in the comics.I would like to see gwen in a sequel-but that will never happen as long as sony is producing these films and see MARY JANE killed off that way that damn marraige would never happen-that throws off you guys theory that I want everything to be EXACTLY like the comics to hell. 🙄

Originally posted by bakerboy

as i have posted before, i want a movie 100% exactly as in the comics,

wtf are u talkin about mr parker? shut the f*** up u dont know wut ur talkin about.

but hes only a high school/ colledge kid. i dont know anyone who could be smart enough to develope a webbing forumula, and then design fluid projectors (aka shooters) for them(in a 2 minute sequence no less).

In the end, despite any cosmetic changes or slight variations

this is Spiderman(or spider-man if you really wanna B***Ch about it..)

its spiderman, and while he may not have web shooters, or have the exact details you all want him to have, he doesnt, so we all should just accept it and just move on with it.

(question: If you know the movie is going to have nothing you like in it, and its gong to be unfaithful, and you beyond a doubt despise it, then why do you go see it?)

LoL what on earth are you doing Mr Parker? Are you going to quote every single post that disagrees with Bakerboy's and refute it in your own childish way? If you ask me, I totally respect Bakerboy's opinions and his first post was well-written, but you acting like bakerboy fanclub's spokesperson is just weakening his argument rather than helping it.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
No your just a manspider fan who goes along with whatever stupid nonsense and crap sony throws at you and your chilidish behaviour hardly qualifys you as being marure not being able to stand critisism of a movie you like. 🙄 and bakerboy is right, SUPERMAN is 10 times better of a movie than this god awful MANSPIDER movie is.

oooo ok and u tell me mr parker, wut makes u sooo much mature then everyone else? im childish? f*** you, u dont know me. i can stand critism, u cant, u come on here belittleing every damn person that doesnt agree w/ u. so how bout u shut up and stop thinkin ur so much better then evry 1 else. wow u sound real mature. im not even gunna argue my point n e more becaue u dont hear wut n e one has to say u just shove ur opinion down every one elses throat. so grow the f*** up *****.

obviously a kid who is insecure about criticisems of a movie you like.

Hence, "quit your bitching".

Originally posted by carnage713
oooo ok and u tell me mr parker, wut makes u sooo much mature then everyone else? im childish? f*** you, u dont know me. i can stand critism, u cant, u come on here belittleing every damn person that doesnt agree w/ u. so how bout u shut up and stop thinkin ur so much better then evry 1 else. wow u sound real mature. im not even gunna argue my point n e more becaue u dont hear wut n e one has to say u just shove ur opinion down every one elses throat. so grow the f*** up *****.

YES you are chilidish,this constant use of the F word of yours you use is plain chilidish and dont be surprised if you get a warning from the mods to knock it off.All of what you just said about me is a bunch of crap so you know what? I am done with you since you are incapable of discussing this in a mature fashion.and for the record,I have known bakerboy for 3 years and he just made an honest typing mistake that everybody makes from time to time when he said- I want everything to be exactly like the comics.I know he doesnt want things to be exactly like the comics so what he meant to say was -I dont want everything to be exactly like the comics.you cripple your arguments with absurd nonsense saying that these manspider movies are faithful to the characters so I am not going to bother with you in your absurd ramblings you have anymore.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
No the SOLE reason for WHY the webshooters were not in the movie is because sony just wanted to make their own little version,nothing more.the webshooters could have been in there with a short two minute montage sequence that EASILY could have been done.

Not constraints in the movie length itself, constraints in the making of the movie. I agree, a 2-3 minutes scene would have been enough, but all directors have a deadline to keep, and making the webshooters scene would have taken a bit of time that they probably didn't have. They'd have to make the extra props, do the demonstration scene(we all know that with Toby's acting ability, it'd have taken more than just one take), and they'd have to edit in the special effects. Time consuming to say the least.

And yes, Gwen is much cooler than MJ, and should have lived.

Originally posted by Robo-Chocobo
but hes only a high school/ colledge kid. i dont know anyone who could be smart enough to develope a webbing forumula, and then design fluid projectors (aka shooters) for them(in a 2 minute sequence no less).

In the end, despite any cosmetic changes or slight variations

this is Spiderman(or spider-man if you really wanna B***Ch about it..)

its spiderman, and while he may not have web shooters, or have the exact details you all want him to have, he doesnt, so we all should just accept it and just move on with it.

(question: If you know the movie is going to have nothing you like in it, and its gong to be unfaithful, and you beyond a doubt despise it, then why do you go see it?)

👇 Robo-chocoba,first off,I want to say thank you for not responding in a chilidish manner like MR ZERO,CARNAGE,FECE MAN AND MAN OF WAR and SPIDERGURL have.thats all I ask for,if you can respond more often like this and not resort to name calling like CARNAGE did when someone has countered your point , then this CAN be a fun discussion.this is spiderman? surely your joking? spiderman is a guy with chemical webshooters,thats not the guy we saw on the screen. 🙄 you cant call this a spiderman movie.accept it? I will NEVER accept such a stupid change as organics. you say you dont know of anyone who could be smart enough to develop a web formula and design fluid designers.well I know you ALSO dont know of anybody who could cling to walls,have super strength,and spider sense ect from the bite of a genetically altered spider either,so whats your point? this is fiction we are talking about.he got the knowledge how to create webbing from the bite of a spider and already was a sceintist expert,so whats the big deal?

all you got to do is watch the 90's cartoon and it gives a perfect explanation for him designing the webshooters.to answer why I go see it if I despise it so much,well I am going to do what I did with the first film.I waited till it came out on cable to see it for free,that way I only wasted my time and not BOTH my time and money.

and spidergurl,I think bakerboy would disagree with you that I am weakening him rather than helping him.go back to the first page and you will see how chilidish MR ZERO,CARNAGE,FECEMAN,ROBO CHOCOCO AND MAN OF WAR acted towards him and I am sure bakerboy would tell you he appreciates me defending him against those childish posters.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Not constraints in the movie length itself, constraints in the making of the movie. I agree, a 2-3 minutes scene would have been enough, but all directors have a deadline to keep, and making the webshooters scene would have taken a bit of time that they probably didn't have. They'd have to make the extra props, do the demonstration scene(we all know that with Toby's acting ability, it'd have taken more than just one take), and they'd have to edit in the special effects. Time consuming to say the least.

And yes, Gwen is much cooler than MJ, and should have lived.

Well the thing is sony never even wanted the chemical mechs in the first place,they didnt even try to make it work which is just plain lazy film making.They said before the filming even began that organics were going to be in the film,meaning they just wanted to make their own little version. 😠

By the way spidergurl,I think bakerboy would disagree with you that I am weakening him rather than helping him.go back to the first page and you will see how chilidish MR ZERO,CARNAGE,FECEMAN,ROBO CHOCOCO AND MAN OF WAR acted towards him and I am sure bakerboy would tell you he appreciates me defending him against those childish posters.so you want to talk about people in their own childish way?THEY are the ones you need to be talking about,NOT me.

I read your post the first time so there isnt any need to repeat yourself, mr parker. I'm quite sure that Bakerboy can handle criticism on his own, and your opinions are entirely your own so you need not act as if you are speaking for Bakerboy all the time because it's really annoying.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
[B.thats all I ask for,if you can respond more often like this and not resort to name calling like CARNAGE did when someone has countered your point.
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get ur facts straight buddy. i started " name calling" when u first called me childish and imature.u want a nice fun discussion then we cud have that, if u didnt belittle people and call them childish. thats gets on my nerves the most. u countered my point by dissing me then i countered urs by dissin u, fair. go back and read my first post to bakerboy. i certaintly was not out of line. so enuff with u thinkin u know it all and pissin ppl off

Originally posted by Red Superfly
Yeah I still find it hard to find Kirsten Dunst attractive - however, in Spider-Man 2, with the blonde/red hair she looks really nice - and she doesn't act like she does in real life (airheaded) which is a plus.

I still think the chick that plays the gorgeous Miss Brant should have been MJ.

oh yah,boy, sure she did. Wait a minute i have to go to the toilet..... 😮
im just going to wash my hands. !!!what?!?!!, i was just eating pie,u know. i mean.....whatever 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Red Superfly
.......here we go.....

And, having read Amazing Spidey #1 again, I can confirm that the webshooters didn't even demonstrate Petes intellect that well either. He just goes "I'll use these".

"But only Peter Parker could make the webbing, now the organics mean that anybody could have been Spider-Man" I hear you say

Not really. Remember the Spider CHOSE Peter (as revealled in the Ezekial story). Only Peter could have had those powers, because of his character, he was the perfect "host" for the spider-powers. They could still adapt this for the movie and show us that only Peter Parker could have been Spider-Man.

Anyway, there's no need for an explanation of that, because only someone of Petes character would have become a superhero. If it was someone else, whos to say they wouldnt become yet another super-villain? The movie still shows that only Pete could be Spider-Man, merely due to the fact the Uncle Ben "responsibility" thing makes this true.

Add this to the fact that the movies proved how smart Spider-Man was anyway (his conversations with Dock Ock, and the fact he knew how to switch off the fusion reactor, his genius in Conners lecture, etc etc), there's no real need for anything beyond this to prove how smart he is.

What? what outragious peter always developed sth like the web shooter since first grade, thats why he already had their sketch made, he just made or adapted it to the web ( wherever it comes) knowledge

this thread is not much them a conspiracy of dc comics members. they are tryiing to down spiderfans , ive seen them doing that in other forums