Originally posted by carver9
I agree, supes is a more interesting character by far, I just said that gladiator is cooler. two different things.
Well, you used interesting in an above post so I rolled with that.
That's a fair enough stance to have, in my opinion, I disagree, but I'm happy with that. After all, I think Superman is more interesting that Thor, but Thor is cooler.
Just as long as you're not one of those morons who think Superman is a 2D black and white conservative with no personality (because they've never read any Superman), I'm happy.
Originally posted by Private Pion
Well, you used interesting in an above post so I rolled with that.That's a fair enough stance to have, in my opinion, I disagree, but I'm happy with that. After all, I think Superman is more interesting that Thor, but Thor is cooler.
Just as long as you're not one of those morons who think Superman is a 2D black and white conservative with no personality (because they've never read any Superman), I'm happy.
He has plenty of personality, one of the best in comics and you actually feel his stories, compasion and all. Superman has been through hell and still remain on the side of good. Superman has seen hell and still remain at peace.
Honestly, to me, thor overrall is just a better character than supes. I cant agree with you on that statement.
Originally posted by carver9
He has plenty of personality, one of the best in comics and you actually feel his stories, compasion and all. Superman has been through hell and still remain on the side of good. Superman has seen hell and still remain at peace.Honestly, to me, thor overrall is just a better character than supes. I cant agree with you on that statement.
Well, that's fair enough. I think Superman is more interesting, but you can think Thor is more interesting if you want. I'm not saying Thor isn't interesting.
I should probably start reading his newer stuff, actually.
Originally posted by carver9
Theres a time where you NEED to get rid of a villian, liiiiiiiike, darkseid. If superman actually took the time and finished him off, a lot of people lives would still exist.
Carver........what makes you think he CAN finish Darkseid off? 😬 We saw what it took to finish Darkseid off once and for all (or at least until someone brings him back......again 😛 ). Superman did help, but he didn't do it alone. And honestly, I don't think he could if DS used his full powers. Then again, Superman always pulls the W when the shit is going down. srug
Originally posted by Philosophía
So you're ignoring my scan and taking only yours into consideration because it's more ambigous since it says 'something other than strength' and you can twist its meaning to somehow support your non-existing argument, eventough the scan I posted is from the same era (Byrne era) written by the same author (Byrne) concerning the same ability (flying) and how it affects lifting things while in air for Superman (it makes it so that strength is not a factor) only mine is more clear in the sense that it's formulated in such a way that it makes it clear strength is not a factor point blank. Not to mention that even if we take only your scan (which is illogical) since his strengh was negated and he still moved the thing while flying, it still shows what my scan does (and logically so since they are the same thing), which is that strength is not a factor when moving things while flying. I'm speechless. Really.I don't care what McDuffie says on some Message Board, I care for what he depicted on-panel, and what he depicted on-panel was that Superman can achieve FTL and nothing about Hyperspace was ever stated/shown. Not to mention he got kicked off the title so the chances of that happening are none. And even if that were the case, no, I don't see what the problem is. Currently it is stated that Superman works that way and for the forseeable future, that's the way they will work until another writer takes over and changes the nature of his powers again. It doesn't retconn the entire period, only that specified ability (like in this case not needing strength when moving objects while flying) and makes it non-applicable to current Superman, it doesn't retconn everything that has happened during that period. We mostly take it one at a time because if we apply the domino effect it will get us nowhere.
Juntai already pointed out my error on McDuffie, but the point still stands as another McDuffie could be hired at any time. Now if you want to endorse a precedent that would allow some writer to throw out every speed feat from Supes before they took over have at it, I was just using that as an example of why that kind of thing is a bad idea(and I'm pretty sure that most members agree with me on that whether you do or not).
As I said before, unless the story my scans are from has been rectonned out of continuity, Supes still moved that ship with strength nullifiers on. Therefore it's still valid proof of his flight being a potential factor when he moves something while flying since Strength+flight thrust=>strength alone. If you choose not to accept that then that's your hang up, but your opinion alone isn't enough to invalidate my scans.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Carver........what makes you think he CAN finish Darkseid off? 😬 We saw what it took to finish Darkseid off once and for all (or at least until someone brings him back......again 😛 ). Superman did help, but he didn't do it alone. And honestly, I don't think he could if DS used his full powers. Then again, Superman always pulls the W when the shit is going down. srug
Didnt black mary stalemate darkseid and took his omega effect to the hand withuot damage.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Right, I'm going to ignore your scan because it's directly contradicted in later issue's and I'm going to keep on using mine because they're not directly contradicted... that's pretty much what I've been saying. As for it being illogical for Supes's to have been able to move it without his super strength without the effect your scan mentions, that would be the case if it weren't for later writers attributing the effect to something similar to tactile tk. You could give me tactile tk with no super strength at all and I could still move or lift anything my powers allowed for. Unless I'm mistaken, that's pretty much how Conner accomplished everything before his Kryptonian powers started kicking in.As I said before, unless the story my scans are from has been rectonned out of continuity, Supes still moved that ship with strength nullifiers on. Therefore it's still valid proof of his flight being a potential factor when he moves something while flying since Strength+flight thrust=>strength alone. If you choose not to accept that then that's your hang up, but your opinion alone isn't enough to invalidate my scans.
I'm just going to repost this until it sinks in.
Originally posted by Philosophía
So you're ignoring my scan and taking only yours into consideration because it's more ambigous since it says 'something other than strength' and you can twist its meaning to somehow support your non-existing argument, eventough the scan I posted is from the same era (Byrne era) written by the same author (Byrne) concerning the same ability (flying) and how it affects lifting things while in air for Superman (it makes it so that strength is not a factor) only mine is more clear in the sense that it's formulated in such a way that it makes it clear strength is not a factor point blank. Not to mention that even if we take only your scan (which is illogical) since his strengh was negated and he still moved the thing while flying, it still shows what my scan does (and logically so since they are the same thing), which is that strength is not a factor when moving things while flying. I'm speechless. Really.
You just simply fail to understand that the scans are talking/describing the same thing, only with different words and examples. In one of them we have Superman saying that he needs no strength in order to move things when flying an entire complex into space while in yours we have Superman proving that he doesn't need strength in order to move things while flying since he moves that ship with his strength nullified. Both of the instances say that he doesn't need to use strength while flying only with different words. Both are written by Byrne, the same guy who introduced this concept to Superman. This has become so repetitive and dumb I just see no further purpose continuing it.
Seriously.
Good day.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
🤨 HE LET HER GO, YOU SCHMUCK! He said right after the fight that he wanted her to escape. And Desaad was possessing her in FC.
He might said that because he really couldnt stop her from leaving. I dont care about that though, superman has proven on too many occasions that he could beat/kill darkseid. This shouldnt even be debated against.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Right, I'm going to ignore your scan because it's directly contradicted in later issue's and I'm going to keep on using mine because they're not directly contradicted... that's pretty much what I've been saying. As for it being illogical for Supes's to have been able to move it without his super strength without the effect your scan mentions, that would be the case if it weren't for later writers attributing the effect to something similar to tactile tk. You could give me tactile tk with no super strength at all and I could still move or lift anything my powers allowed for. Unless I'm mistaken, that's pretty much how Conner accomplished everything before his Kryptonian powers started kicking in.Juntai already pointed out my error on McDuffie, but the point still stands as another McDuffie could be hired at any time. Now if you want to endorse a precedent that would allow some writer to throw out every speed feat from Supes before they took over have at it, I was just using that as an example of why that kind of thing is a bad idea(and I'm pretty sure that most members agree with me on that whether you do or not).
As I said before, unless the story my scans are from has been rectonned out of continuity, Supes still moved that ship with strength nullifiers on. Therefore it's still valid proof of his flight being a potential factor when he moves something while flying since Strength+flight thrust=>strength alone. If you choose not to accept that then that's your hang up, but your opinion alone isn't enough to invalidate my scans.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm just going to repost this until it sinks in.You just simply fail to understand that the scans are talking/describing the same thing, only with different words and examples. In one of them we have Superman saying that he needs no strength in order to move things when flying an entire complex into space while in yours we have Superman proving that he doesn't need strength in order to move things while flying since he moves that ship with his strength nullified. Both of the instances say that he doesn't need to use strength while flying only with different words. Both are written by Byrne, the same guy who introduced this concept to Superman. This has become so repetitive and dumb I just see no further purpose continuing it.
Seriously.
Good day.
But hey, your opinion is your own so have fun with it...
This is bullshit, You just want to nullify his flight-based movements as strength feats, despite him clearly doing most of the recent ones via strength. superman's powers have been retconned quite a few times, and he's died since that scan happened. Not to mention he's gotten stronger over time.
Superman is far and away stronger than almost anyone around on the high herald level. It's a fact.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This is bullshit, You just want to nullify his flight-based movements as strength feats, despite him clearly doing most of the recent ones via strength. superman's powers have been retconned quite a few times, and he's died since that scan happened. Not to mention he's gotten stronger over time.Superman is far and away stronger than almost anyone around on the high herald level. It's a fact.
It's an opinion...
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't get what you're trying to prove with that. He's got strength nullifiers on, we already knew that...
Originally posted by darthgoober
As I said before, unless the story my scans are from has been rectonned out of continuity, Supes still moved that ship with strength nullifiers on. Therefore it's still valid proof of his flight being a potential factor when he moves something while flying since Strength+flight thrust=>strength alone. If you choose not to accept that then that's your hang up, but your opinion alone isn't enough to invalidate my scans.