My top ten regarding current continuity. I havent included the True Beyonders as their power level within C. Continuity is unknown. All we know about them is that they are the power behind the cube beings, so for all we know theyre not greater than Eternity. For example they had to ask Eternitys permission to allow the cosmic cubes entry into 616.
As for my placing of Eternity/Infinity in comparison to Death/Oblivion/Entropy, well yes those abstracts do go on to triumph over Eternity, but thats only when the creation cycle has run its course, when the balance of life over Death in the universe begins to tip in Deaths favour. Eternity as standard is the most powerful abstract.
Galactus' position in comparison to the Celestials is a tricky one, with some accounts stating the Celestials to be greater, however as the most recent source (Annihilation) states Galactus to be the most powerful physical being in the universe ive put them on equal footing because of the various conflicting accounts.
Franklin Richards may have the potential to be on the Celestials level but that potential has not been realized and such a power level has not been demonstrated on panel. Like the cubes and the Scarlet Witch he has the ability to manipulate reality on at least a planetary level (He created the pocket reality Heroes Reborn Earth) While most assumed that Scarlet Witch warped the entire 616 universe, Roma actually stated in Uncanny X-men 462 that it was a "global alteration".
1 TOAA
2 LT/Phoenix Force
3 Heart Of The Infinite
4 Infinity Gauntlet
5 Eternity/Infinity
6 Death/Oblivion/Entropy
7 Other Abstracts
8 Galactus/Celestials
9 Cube beings/Stranger/Franklin Richards/Scarlet Witch
10 Ego
Oh and as for LT being higher than Heart Of The Infinite, well Lt operates via M Bodys each bestowed with a portion of his power, that is how he operates across the entire multiverse, destroying one of these M Bodys doesnt equate to making you greater than LT.
As for the Phoenix Force being placed on the same tier as LT, well in spite of LT being around the Phoenix has been stated to be second only to the supreme being. The Phoenix Force is also responsible for the greatest on panel feats of power in Marvel. (Containing the power of the multiversal M'kraan crystal, one of many avatars casually snipping away the universes future, putting it on its death bed and then controlling the universes atomic structure in the palm of her hand with no discernible effort) On top of that in past encounters, the Phoenix Force was asked by LT to leave Earth and it was stated that the Phoenix would at this time CHOOSE to listen to LT because it knows he is right and its power in mortal hands is a risk to the multiverse.
On the other hand however in recent years LT has consitently been portrayed as second in command so taking it all into consideration i thought id save alot of arguments by placing them on equal footing for now. Hopefully Warsong will clear this issue up.
I used to think that Entropy had equal power, but then i started thinking abstractly. The Entropy in a universe grows, and eventualy subjects the universe to heat death (If it doesn't end first). Entropy represents that. Entropy has to be stronger over time then Eternity, because the kind of orderly universe that Eternity is must always be subplanted by Entropy's chaotic universe.
This list is about right.
The THOTU is willed by TOAA, which is why it is so powerful.
Regardless, TOAA will always be in the number 1 spot regardless who wields it, as TOAA is depicted as the writer of the story (in one instance Jack kirby).
In DC Comics "The Presence" is the equivalent of TOAA.
Originally posted by King Kandy
At any rate, I think everyone agrees on this.1. TOAA
2. THOTU
3. Phoenix/LT.
The REAL CURRENT Marvel Hierarchy based on FEATS, NOT theories and bios.
1. TOAA
(Obviously)
2. HOTU
(Absorbed LT: nuff said)
3. Living Tribunal
(Because he's above the IG)
4. IG
(Because it controlled the energies of the Ultimate Nullifier)
5. Ultimate Nullifier
(Obliterated and Remade the Multiverse in the blink of an eye)
6. Abraxas
(Because only the UN can banish him)
6. The Real Molecule man
(nearly collapsed the Multi-verse)
:How the True beyonders stack up against #4 - 6, I don't know, but they are definitely above the Multi-verse:
Tied for Seventh place:
7. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity (embodiments of the Multiverse-Time&Space)
7. Atleza (the 616 Multiversal Anchor)
7. Oblivion (Embodiment of nothingness/Counter balance of the Anchor)
Tied for Eighth place:
8. Infinites
(The Infinites are the maintenance crew of the Multi-verse)
8. Makers
(Created the Micro-verse, a Universe made up of countless pocket universes)
8. Cosmic Containment Units
(Can create universes, can become universes, potentially can rival the IG)
Tied for Ninth place:
9. Celestial Nullifier (Erases Universes)
9. Insane Genis-Vell (Re-wrote the 616 Universe)
10. Eternity/Infinity/Entropy
(embodiments of the Universe-Time &Space) - (embodiment of ramdomness)
11. White Phoenix of the Crown/Death/Lord Chaos/Master Order
(Jean-Repaired a Future)-(D-beyond the reach of THOTU)-(C/O-balance of every Universe)
12. rest of the Abstracts and so on...
Originally posted by Mr Master
The REAL Marvel Hierarchy based on FEATS, NOT theories and bios.1. TOAA
(Obviously)2. HOTU
(Absorbed LT: nuff said)3. Living Tribunal/
(Because he's above the IG)4. IG
(Because it controlled the energies of the Ultimate Nullifier)5. Ultimate Nullifier
(Obliterated and Remade the Multiverse in the blink of an eye)6. Abraxas
(Because only the UN can banish him):How the True beyonders stack up against #4 - 6, I don't know, but they are definitely above the Multi-verse:
Tied for Seventh place:
7. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity (embodiments of the Multiverse-Time&Space)
7. Atleza (the 616 Multiversal Anchor)
7. Oblivion (Embodiment of nothingness/Counter balance of the Anchor)Tied for Eighth place:
8. Infinites
(The Infinites are the maintenance crew of the Multi-verse)
8. Makers
(Created the Micro-verse, a Universe made up of countless pocket universes)
8. Cosmic Containment Units
(Can create universes, can become universes, potentially can rival the IG)9. Eternity/Infinity/Entropy
(embodiments of the Universe-Time &Space10. White Phoenix of the Crown/Death/Lord Chaos/Master Order
11. rest of the Abstracts and so on...
This thread is a little silly as the writers decide who is the strongest at any given point in comics and even characters with "great feats" are eventually given bad days if the plot demands it. An example of this is The Spectre.
- Flame
Originally posted by Flame On!!
This thread is a little silly as the writers decide who is the strongest at any given point in comics and even characters with "great feats" are eventually given bad days if the plot demands it. An example of this is The Spectre.- Flame
The writers are always trying to come up with something more ridiculously powerful then the last. I always felt THOTU for example was a foolish concept on the writers part and made little sense.
Marvel has given out insanely powerful abilities to so many beings, it has almost reach a point where there is really nowhere left to go that would make any sense (it's already gotten redundant).
Originally posted by Outerplane
The writers are always trying to come up with something more ridiculously powerful then the last. I always felt THOTU for example was a foolish concept on the writers part and made little sense.Marvel has given out insanely powerful abilities to so many beings, it has almost reach a point where there is really nowhere left to go that would make any sense (it's already gotten redundant).
I agree completely.
- Flame On!!
Originally posted by Outerplane
Marvel has given out insanely powerful abilities to so many beings, it has almost reach a point where there is really nowhere left to go that would make any sense (it's already gotten redundant).
I disagree,
according to my list (which is based on feats) only 14 characters in Marvel can destroy atleast a Universe right now.
So there are not "so many beings" with insane power.
No one 11th place and down can destroy a Universe.
Originally posted by Mr MasterWhere would you put Wanda on that list?
I disagree,according to my list (which is based on feats) only 14 characters in Marvel can destroy atleast a Universe right now.
So there are not "so many beings" with insane power.
No one 11th place and down can destroy a Universe.
The REAL CURRENT Marvel Hierarchy based on FEATS, NOT theories and bios.
1. TOAA
(Obviously)
2. HOTU
(Absorbed LT: nuff said)
3. Living Tribunal
(Because he's above the IG)
4. IG
(Because it controlled the energies of the Ultimate Nullifier)
5. Ultimate Nullifier
(Obliterated and Remade the Multiverse in the blink of an eye)
6. Abraxas
(Because only the UN can banish him)
6. The Real Molecule man
(nearly collapsed the Multi-verse)
:How the True beyonders stack up against #4 - 6, I don't know, but they are definitely above the Multi-verse:
Tied for Seventh place:
7. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity (embodiments of the Multiverse-Time&Space)
7. Atleza (the 616 Multiversal Anchor)
7. Oblivion (Embodiment of nothingness/Counter balance of the Anchor)
Tied for Eighth place:
8. Infinites
(The Infinites are the maintenance crew of the Multi-verse)
8. Makers
(Created the Micro-verse, a Universe made up of countless pocket universes)
8. Cosmic Containment Units
(Can create universes, can become universes, potentially can rival the IG)
Tied for Ninth place:
9. HOM Wanda (Re-wrote the 616 Universe several times)
9. Insane Genis-Vell (Re-wrote the 616 Universe)
9. Celestial Nullifier (Erases Universes)
10. Eternity/Infinity/Entropy
(embodiments of the Universe-Time &Space) - (embodiment of ramdomness)
11. White Phoenix of the Crown/Death/Lord Chaos/Master Order
(Jean-Repaired a Future)-(D-beyond the reach of THOTU)-(C/O-balance of every Universe)
12. rest of the Abstracts and so on...
Originally posted by Mr Master
So why are you here?
For starters I feel like it and that reason alone is good enough, whether you accept it or not is irrelevant. You can always choose not to respond to me and/or make pretend you actually posses a level of maturity beyond a 6 year old by coming to the realization that people will have a different opinion on any given issue.
Lastly, whatever my feelings are regarding this matter doesn't change the fact that I still enjoy comics for their superhero/supervillain.
Originally posted by Outerplane
For starters I feel like it and that reason alone is good enough. Whether you accept it or not is irrelevant.
"Accept it or not"?
Dude I could care less, your the one complaining, yip yapping meaningless rants.
I was curious why you would hang in a thread you have nothing but resentment for.
Originally posted by Outerplane
You can always choose not to respond to me and/or
Without a doubt.
Originally posted by Outerplane
make pretend you actually posses a level of maturity beyond a 6 year old.
yawn
Originally posted by Outerplane
Lastly, whatever my feelings are regarding this matter doesn't' change the fact that I still enjoy comics for their superhero/supervillain .
sleepyhead