Why do U believe in your religion?

Originally posted by Linkalicious

What exactly is this "higher explanation for exsistence"?

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The higer explanation is the Bible, and the direction that jesus's word directs humanity to follow, and also the strength faith gives you. Yes their were civilized people before christ, but not order. History also teaches this. Yes there was order to a point,but not free order. Humanity was corrupt and bloodthirsty. As for calling me a Bible nut, i am anything but. I hold an open mind on all things, especially religoun and the Bible, but when you shit all over it, and the people who believe in it by saying what we believe is Bullshit and is complete nonsense, i am inclined to defend it in a civil way by giving you some of my beliefs and views. Yet you jump back with naive, and immature reactions. You are a very closed minded person, believing what you believe is the truth and this is final. you cant talk or argue with an open mind in a cival way, so you keep repeating yourself with the same arguments, that the Bible is a farce and everyone who believes in it is delusional. If you don't believe in somthing, that is fine. no one is trying to impress beliefs on you, and it would be appreciated that you don't insult somthing that many people believe in with all there heart and soul. The reason many people tell you, that you can't understand it because you dont believe is because that is the truth. faith is a feeling that can't be explained, only experienced.

Feanor. Yes many deaths and war have been contributed to catholic religoun. This is not directly because of the religoun itself, but because of the misconception of the religoun by man. god gave us choice and showed us the way. what we do with it is our choice, because Jesus believed in man and paid for our sins. so yes religoun has caused much hardache and still does, but did you ever think maybe it's not the fault of religoun , but the fault of man for not being able to be human and civilized? though the bible has been changed and decyphered many times. The main point still stays the same, the essence of God's word still remains. I am not preaching or trying to impress anything on anyone, the fact is that the Bible and the religouns derived from the catholic beliefs do have many contrdictions and holes, but they also hold many great teachings and and expeirences through out history. I think many people focus on the easy part of not believing and it ends there.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
bleh, certain KMC sections are becoming overrun with religious themed threads. I prefer to get my religion at church.

🙂 😄 Surprised to see you in here, HEHEHE

just listen to yourself for like 3 seconds....seriously.

I'm very open minded in the thought that people have faith. But to put all of your faith into a book that has FAIRY TALES written in it...is what i find unbelieveable.

Yes, the bible tells of the life of Jesus and his apostles, the path they chose in life. But by the same magnitude, it tells of miracles that have NEVER EVER EVER EVER been proven to be possible.

That my friend, is called MAKE BELIEVE. I'm not being close minded, I'm being logical. You are being illogical, by thinking that the reason civilization has come this far just because of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Humanity is still corrupt and blood thirsty. Christians are corrupt and blood thirsty just like muslims in the middle east. You claim that this world is such a greater place because of religion, when all it's ever done is create wars and hatred.

I'm not trying to press my beliefs on anyone, anymore than religious supporters are trying to tell me that "i don't understand the truth"

Unlike some people on this site who don't believe in religion....I've walked both sides of the line. My life was no different with religion than it is without it. God doesn't give me strength and guidance....I give it to myself.

God didn't make me stop smoking, I stopped smoking because I found things in my life that were more important to me.

I'm not trying to tell you there is no God, I'm asking you to show some sort of proof that God exsists. He's a concept in your mind...not a supreme being from up above.

Animals and plants don't believe in God. Only humans do...and it's not because we are closer to God than them...it's because we're the only beings on this planet who are smart/dumb enough to create that concept in our minds.

I am not saying that the world has come as far as it has because of religoun. I am saying it has been allowed to come as far as it has because of religoun. the world is the way it is because of humanities choices not religoun.

you say the world is still bloodthirsty and corrupt. Yes this is true, but to the extent of the roman, or egyptian era for small examples? Religoun is the reason that America is here today. their is religouns of all inds, many of which are the reason societies and cultures are where they are today. Religoun hasnt caused wars, freedom of choice and what we as humans do with it have caused wars. With or without religoun, there would always have been death and destruction, but maybe not the developments we have today as humans. I am not referring only to the catholic religoun, but to all religouns which are in essence the same basic beliefs.

the Bible does infact have many stories that are totally unbelievable, but the mateaphor they stand for are inspiring stories that express the christian religoun in a relatable and understanding way.

I personally dont hold much bank in the Bible, because i believe much of it has been lost through history. I do however believe the God's word, and the path that jesus leads and inteds us to follow. Does the Bible explain where humans came from? Maybe, but i dont think so. I think there is more to the Bible and existence than just the Bible. I believe it is a guide for us to follow, and the rest of our knowledge be learned along the way. I think the earth and all of existence was due to God's will and creation. Maybe we came from monkey's. this is not saying that it wasnt God's will.

The greatest minds in all of history have believed in God. the minds that have given us language and well our way of living and the knowledge of science. Aristotle Believed in the Bible,but also said That it is not meant to be the understanding of existence, but a guide to living and that there is a greater reasoning behind our breathing lives. All these great minds are studied and mentored more than anyone else through out modern times or history. We believe everything they have spoke or wrote about except God. They diddnt need proof, because their proof was reason enough. Even as einstien grew older, he expressed beliefs in a higher being, being responsible for existence

Originally posted by Linkalicious
There were civilized people before Jesus' birth. With or without him...the world would still move on...in a positive direction.
I spent the better part of 6 years attending church, learning and "believing." Then I started thinking on my own and came to the decision that it's a crock.
What exactly is this "higher explanation for exsistence"?
and you...much like every other bible nut on KMC always preaches the same EXACT crap. "You cannot understand the truth because you do not believe"

And you are just like every other stubborn anti-Christian nut on KMC, always preaches same EXACT crap about stuff you dont understand. 😛

And how do you know that the world will still move on in a positive direction. If you ask me, its going the opposite! 🙄

And Link, why do things have to be proven to be possible? You also said (sorry if it sounds like in picking on you 😛) that God doesnt give you strength and guidance, you gave it to yourself - and, you know i'll disagree with you there coz i believe God gives you the strength that you possess and he gives wisdom to everyone.

No one said the existence of God isn't POSSIBLE. Just not likely or believable to us.

yah what BackFire said...

and I'm not an Anti-Christian. I'm anti religion. I'm against having an organized system of beliefs. I'm sorry that I feel God and Jesus Christ are the 2 most commonly talked about entities in the world...🙄

Originally posted by BackFire
No one said the existence of God isn't POSSIBLE. Just not likely or believable to us.

Well to some people, its not likely, but to be honest I find it rather UNlikely that we could live in such a complex world that we do and NOT have some higher power behind it all. 🙂

Besides which, having a person with two heads seems very unlikely and unbelievable, but it happens. 🙂🙂 Not that I'm trying to compare God to a two headed mutation.... but just because you dont think something is likely, doesnt mean its not possible or real

Originally posted by Linkalicious
just listen to yourself for like 3 seconds....seriously.

I'm very open minded in the thought that people have faith. But to put all of your faith into a book that has FAIRY TALES written in it...is what i find unbelieveable.

Yes, the bible tells of the life of Jesus and his apostles, the path they chose in life. But by the same magnitude, it tells of miracles that have NEVER EVER EVER EVER been proven to be possible.
Yes, the bible tells of the life of Jesus and his apostles, the path they chose in life. But by the same magnitude, it tells of miracles that have NEVER EVER EVER EVER been proven to be possible.

Humanity is still corrupt and blood thirsty. Christians are corrupt and blood thirsty just like muslims in the middle east. You claim that this world is such a greater place because of religion, when all it's ever done is create wars and hatred.

I'm not trying to press my beliefs on anyone, anymore than religious supporters are trying to tell me that "i don't understand the truth"

Unlike some people on this site who don't believe in religion....I've walked both sides of the line. My life was no different with religion than it is without it. God doesn't give me strength and guidance....I give it to myself.

God didn't make me stop smoking, I stopped smoking because I found things in my life that were more important to me.

I'm not trying to tell you there is no God, I'm asking you to show some sort of proof that God exsists. He's a concept in your mind...not a supreme being from up above.

Animals and plants don't believe in God. Only humans do...and it's not because we are closer to God than them...it's because we're the only beings on this planet who are smart/dumb enough to create that concept in our minds.

Yes, the bible tells of the life of Jesus and his apostles, the path they chose in life. But by the same magnitude, it tells of miracles that have NEVER EVER EVER EVER been proven to be possible.

Yes, the bible tells of the life of Jesus and his apostles, the path they chose in life. But by the same magnitude, it tells of miracles that have NEVER EVER EVER EVER been proven to be possible.

How can you say they NEVER ever ever ever....i've told you of miraclels in here you chose not to believe. I've seen them happen. Most will come up w/something to deny they exist... but when doctors have test that show a person has cancer, then retake the test cus the person request it and the cancer is gone, that is proof of a miracel. Now rather you believe it or not, is up to you. You seem to be very strong in your beliefs that NO miracles have happened. 🙂

Originally posted by ninjaturtle
Well to some people, its not likely, but to be honest I find it rather UNlikely that we could live in such a complex world that we do and NOT have some higher power behind it all. 🙂

Besides which, having a person with two heads seems very unlikely and unbelievable, but it happens. 🙂🙂 Not that I'm trying to compare God to a two headed mutation.... but just because you dont think something is likely, doesnt mean its not possible or real

There's two sides to every coin. Of couse you are right, but I'd also be right if I said that beliving that something IS likely doesnt mean that it really is. I could say that it is likely that a kangaroo can jump to the moon. Am I right? of course not, Kangaroos can't jump to the moon.

Linkalicious
Unlike some people on this site who don't believe in religion....I've walked both sides of the line. My life was no different with religion than it is without it. God doesn't give me strength and guidance....I give it to myself.

Same here, I agree totally.

yes there are proven miracles, or atleast accounted one's

How can you say they NEVER ever ever ever....i've told you of miraclels in here you chose not to believe. I've seen them happen. Most will come up w/something to deny they exist...

Well said 🙂

So many people will go a lot of effort to find a way to explain something away simply because they dont want to believe that it exists.

Quote taken from Harry Potter:
"Why would anyone bother making door-keys shrink?" Said George.
"Just Muggle-baiting" sighed Mr Weasley. "Sell them a key that keeps shrinking to nothing so they can never find it when they need it... Of course, it's very hard to convict anyone because no Muggle would admit their key keeps shrinking - they'll insist they just keep losing it. Bless them, they'll go to any lengths to ignore magic, even if it's staring them in the face...

Its a bit like that. There are hundreds of miracles occurring all the time, however many people will choose to simply ignore it, or else will find ways to somehow explain them off. And by the way, no, I'm not here to promote magic, or paganism or anything like that. 😛

There's two sides to every coin. Of couse you are right, but I'd also be right if I said that beliving that something IS likely doesnt mean that it really is. I could say that it is likely that a kangaroo can jump to the moon. Am I right? of course not, Kangaroos can't jump to the moon.

Maybe. But then again, you know for a fact that a Kangaroo can't jump over the moon... at least, not without some kind of rocket powered assistance...or unless it was in a nuresry rhyme with the cow and the spoon.
On than note, I know for a fact that God does exist. I've felt his presence, he's spoken to me, I know that he's there and I believe it with all my heart. 😛

Excellent answer Ninja turtel: On than note, I know for a fact that God does exist. I've felt his presence, he's spoken to me, I know that he's there and I believe it with all my heart.

I feel the same, He's alive and well in my heart!!

I call that skitzophrenia.

and i call u a moron. 😛 It works both ways! *grins*

Except his has grounds and makes sense, yours is simply poor defense of your beliefs.

Depends on who you are talking to BF on his beliefs making more sense. To me they are utterly ridiculous, to you they are not. I agree w/morning star and ninja

The thing is, BF, feeling God's presence is something that no one can explain, but once you've felt it, you cant deny that He exists. Its a most amazing feeling

Exactly.

could very well be but none of this proves god exists, and as long as that has not been proven (which it mostlikely never will, because religion isn't about proving) I doubt link and a lot of other ppl will ever believe.

Even with miracles happening and the bible and stuff, that doesn't prove the existence of god. Neither do the accounts of ppl who have felt god prove to others that god exists. So maybe it's time we stop this whole debate about the existence of god, neither side will change its mind anywayz. Neither side will find a valid arguement to say the other side is wrong.