the egg or the chicken?

What came first, the egg or the chicken. this long debated question can now be debated here.
Although the answer is quite obvious, it must have been the chicken because the chicken lays the egg.

yes, the answer is clear; the chicken. some small organism was created(chicken) and started breeding (eggs). this is the natural, and only way, period.

Looking at it so literally is rather to miss the point of it. Everything in nature can be pointed to as coming from something else, which means at SOME point something has come from nothing, which is impossible.

the big bang, God, me 😄

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Looking at it so literally is rather to miss the point of it. Everything in nature can be pointed to as coming from something else, which means at SOME point something has come from nothing, which is impossible.

no, it came from something, very small, and then a Bang. those small things are like chickens.

Not necessarily Ush. All matter in the Universe could have been created from the energy from the Big Bang (remember, E=MC^2 😄). Before the Big Bang, time didn't exist so we can't go there in a linear fashion.

This discussion is just like how did God come to being if there was no life before him/her.

You're assuming God "lives" in pseudo-linear time like we do. He may exist at once in all times...thus has always lived in the so-called past, present and future.

who came first? the egg, the chicken or wafflegod?
ME 😄

Then how come everyone assumes that God is human?

THAT is assuming time exists at all, Raz, so it is a dodgy area no matter what you say about it. But even if it DOES, the huge hole in the Big Bang theory is that there is no discernible event zero to start it from, so the question STILL remains.

Mah, I think you missed the point. Something had to create the small thing as well. Go far enough back and it all falls apart.

Does anyone believe in the Primordial Soup theory?

That just proves my point. Its an example of something that doesn't "come" from something else.

And of course time exists! In the way we interpretate it anyway. The reason I said God could exisit in ALL time, suggests that he may infact not even exist in our precived version of time.

ush: no I didn't miss it. my point is that there was never nothing; before the big bang there was a big destruction of the universe, and in between, as raz said time didn't exist.

Yes mah is right. There is the possiblity of the circular time where the universe expands and closes in on itself - which causes the Big Bang. That could suggest the our future could have already happened before!

Mah, you just contradicted yourself.There cannot be anything 'before' the big bang, if there is no time before it.

Raz, you say of 'course' time exists but the idea that it does not is a theory being debated on the same level as things like the Big Bang. Bigger people than us talk about this sort of thing all the time. And then they teach people that in turn bore me to death talking about it.

But time in OUR percieved term exists to US - which is what I'm talking about. Whether is ACTUALLY exists in the physcial term, that is another matter.

I hope I'm not boring you to death 😂

Oh, computer nuts like you bore me in a whole different way...

Nope, that theory states that we don't perceive time at all. It is a false quantity that we have errneously defined. Whatever we experience is not time.

It gets rather stupidly complex from there. Perhaps not as stupid as relativty.

But what the heck do they really know anyway? Time theories are alwas VERY tenuous and fashons change every decade; they are no closer to an accurate anserr on that than they are to breaking the light barrier. Another example of something that was once impossible and now that is being questioned.

anyways; the chicken was first, right?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Oh, computer nuts like you bore me in a whole different way...

Nope, that theory states that we don't perceive time at all. It is a false quantity that we have errneously defined. Whatever we experience is not time.

It gets rather stupidly complex from there. Perhaps not as stupid as relativty.