George W Bush

Originally posted by justpassingby
You guys seriously believe the press feeds you the truth? That is funny. Look who owns the press station or company or such. They will dilute all information to conform all their beliefs. Even Ted Turner agreed and stated that live on his stations before selling it. It is a way to get what they want. don't believe what you see in the news up front. A lot of things are torn and distorted and shaded to fit their picture to make you think like them. It is the lemmings effect.

open your ears and eyes do you think that anyone speaks the truth when dealing with intelligence operatives? 😂

Originally posted by justpassingby
You guys seriously believe the press feeds you the truth? That is funny. Look who owns the press station or company or such. They will dilute all information to conform all their beliefs. Even Ted Turner agreed and stated that live on his stations before selling it. It is a way to get what they want. don't believe what you see in the news up front. A lot of things are torn and distorted and shaded to fit their picture to make you think like them. It is the lemmings effect.

You're so RIGHT!

Ted Turner and his reporters went into Iraq and hid the WMDs! ✅

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
Yeah, that's what I heard 🙄 Bush was being asked if he thought he could win the war in 4 years.

yes but do you remember saying originally the war is going to be a long road ahead 🙄 he never said ever that it was to be a set length of time.... so infact saying it is not winnable in four years which the question was phrased is correct.

No, after being asked that he said something along the lines of that he thought we'd NEVER be able to win it.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Tell me in all your grand spy knowledge and military intelligence midfullness what if Sadam was selling arms to terrorist? 😄 Do you think that an entire military would not object to an invasion if it had even an incling that this guy was not dangerous... what if hypothetically he was a major danger but revealing that particular danger would expose our intel assets to whoever Sadddam was dealing with and to Saddam. 😬 would that say be a large enough reason to go to war? Supplying chemical and bio weapons to organizations?

OMG, are you listening to yourself?

Iraq has been under the sanctions put on by America for 13 years!

Those people have nothing to eat, let alone weapons of mass distruction! There was NO weapons of mass distruction!

Even our dumb ass prime ministar admited it...publicly! There are no weapons of mass distruction in Iraq and there never was!

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Tell me in all your grand spy knowledge and military intelligence midfullness what if Sadam was selling arms to terrorist? 😄 Do you think that an entire military would not object to an invasion if it had even an incling that this guy was not dangerous... what if hypothetically he was a major danger but revealing that particular danger would expose our intel assets to whoever Sadddam was dealing with and to Saddam. 😬 would that say be a large enough reason to go to war? Supplying chemical and bio weapons to organizations?

Everything with you is hypothetical.

It's like you invent scenarios to justify the war.

N.Korea is a far greater threat!
We KNOW FOR A FACT! that they have WMDs that can reach US cities.

Bush wont do anything about that because unlike Iraq who had no military or WMDs, Korea can defend itself.

And Tex and lil both have very good points.

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Well, must be going (hence my old siggy being back)...I will continue the argument tomorrow!

fighting fact with opinion. That is what most of that is. I will have that interview and see what it says. Till then I can not comment on that. As for now I would suggest getting facts before starting a discussion on this. Politics are not for kiddies.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
OMG, are you listening to yourself?

Iraw has been under the sanctions put on by America for 13 years!

Those people have nothing to eat, let alone weapons of mass distruction! There was NO weapons of mass distruction!

Even our dumb ass prime ministar admited it...publicly! There are no weapons of mass distruction in Iraq and there never was!

Never was.... 😬 hysterical so we were just blowing up anthrax for the few months of WMD cleanup we had was just an illusion huh?

Do you remember the whole UN inspectors being kicked out every other month? 🙄 .... do you remember the reason the UN was still considering what to do with Iraq because they would not comply with our inspectors... you know the reason why tentions were brought back on after afganistan....? UN head inspectors said he still had stuff he was not complying and the ultamatum to allow inspectors to enter Iraq... do you remember the threats to fire chemical shells as we approached the capital? ..... to me that sounds like he still had em... there are underhanded means to make things disapear .... ever hear of arms smuggling and mob actions?....

Originally posted by Tex
Everything with you is hypothetical.

It's like you invent scenarios to justify the war.

N.Korea is a far greater threat!
We KNOW FOR A FACT! that they have WMDs that can reach US cities.

Bush wont do anything about that because unlike Iraq who had no military or WMDs, Korea can defend itself.

Invent scenarios 😂 do you think everything in this world is open to the public and flashy? 😂 how do you think the Russians got the bomb... how do you think the Chinese have our warheads?..... its the kinda of narrowminded happy world you people live in that makes me sick.... Koreas wants the world to know they got nukes so that they can bully the region... if they didn't want us to know ... we would not know.

Yes and it would be nice to stop them but that is a war that would draw China into the mix and then you have WW3 🙂

You say there were no weapons of mass destruction. You are right, there were not. There were laboratories and there were areas for development. There were schematics and there were papers. Once again a symptom of listening to press and not all the facts. Lil there are more to a story than the 5 minute press release.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Never was.... 😬 hysterical so we were just blowing up anthrax for the few months of WMD cleanup we had was just an illusion huh?

Do you remember the whole UN inspectors being kicked out every other month? 🙄 .... do you remember the reason the UN was still considering what to do with Iraq because they would not comply with our inspectors... you know the reason why tentions were brought back on after afganistan....? UN head inspectors said he still had stuff he was not complying and the ultamatum to allow inspectors to enter Iraq... do you remember the threats to fire chemical shells as we approached the capital? ..... to me that sounds like he still had em... there are underhanded means to make things disapear .... ever hear of arms smuggling and mob actions?....

Let me explain this to you, again...in the words you might understand...

Originally posted by justpassingby
You say there were no weapons of mass destruction. You are right, there were not. There were laboratories and there were areas for development. There were schematics and there were papers. Once again a symptom of listening to press and not all the facts. Lil there are more to a story than the 5 minute press release.

😕 are you telling me there were no WMDs to begin with ever? 😑

The clean up was parts and chemicals. Not the actual finished products Raven. There is a lot of confusion on that from what I understand but if I remember Fox correctly, a lot was damaged from probable over moving.

Do you not remember the press statements of gass found, guess that wasn't what you wanted to hear, huh lil.

My god, people, I dont understand you!

I dont understand your way of thinking, your logic!

Why are you rulling out the idea...no the FACT that your country, your leaders could be lying to you?

I was stating since the 2003 part only. Before then he had many but mostly dismantled and hidden. Raven

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Invent scenarios 😂 do you think everything in this world is open to the public and flashy? 😂 how do you think the Russians got the bomb... how do you think the Chinese have our warheads?..... its the kinda of narrowminded happy world you people live in that makes me sick.... Koreas wants the world to know they got nukes so that they can bully the region... if they didn't want us to know ... we would not know.

Yes and it would be nice to stop them but that is a war that would draw China into the mix and then you have WW3 🙂

OMG! I'm speechless!
Now I know why you're a Bush backer!

He's an absolute guarantee that as long as he's in charge the "narrowminded happy world" you're so sick of will never be! ✅

If a terrorist wants a nuke he'll buy it from one of those disgruntled unemployed Russian scientists.....Not Saddam.

There was no terrorism in Iraq untill Bush invaded.