Captain America vs Black Panther

I've had some time to think about it and I truly believe that Black Panther would take Cap in a fight. He's always several steps ahead of whatever foe he's against and by now I'm sure he pretty much has Cap's abilities memorized and categorized. He's knows Captain America's tendencies and mistakes. Cap is a great strategist unparalleled and unmatched. He also has greater strength and endurance but he's also a " fair " player. He often comes across as boyscout-ish to me which can be a major downfall against a ruthless foe like T'Challa. Captain America didn't even realize that Black Panther was spying on the Avengers when he first joined their ranks. Something tells me it wouldn't take much for BP to tranquilize Rogers and put him down. Afterall in Red Zone Cap pretty much walked RIGHT into Red Skull's trap. Personally that doesn't bode well for the man in the red, white and blue.

Then obviously you need to sit down and think about it some more. You say BP "...has Cap's abilities memorized and categorized, his tendencies and mistakes." Well, BLACK PANTHER has this to say about Cap (as Cap was beating him):

"The speed and reactions of the man are incredible. For every move, he has a counter. He adapts instinctively to every situation, every fighting style."

Cap is the absolute PEAK of human physical perfection: Strength, Speed, Agility, Endurance, Stamina; all at the TOP of the human genome. BP is not the physical equal of Cap in any department.
Black Panther is a highly accomplished martial artist, but Cap is the one that trained him! Cap trains all of the Avengers in hand-to-hand combat, and has been ackowledged to be one of the best there is by most of the Marvel Universe. When BP joined the Avengers as a regular member way back in the 70's, he was little more than an accomplished acrobat with a few "cat-like" powers. Captain America turned him into the fighter he is now.
Captain America is THE best battlefield tactician there is. To quote Cap himself from "The New Deal" series: "Don't let the enemy choose the battlefield. Or the time of engagement. Don't let the enemy anticipate the strength or the direction of your attack. Strike without warning. Never allow the enemy to bait you into a trap." Sounds like he knows what he's doing to me. And I can't find a single issue where Cap FIGHTS like a "boy scout". Just because he prefers milk to beer and encourages kids to eat their vegetables doesn't mean he doesn't take it to the enemy in a hundred different ways on the battlefield.
Cap does not get tired. It has said this over and over again in his comics (of which I have almost ALL). The toxins that are produced in the body (mainly lactic acid) that cause you to tire from physical exertion are burned off as quickly as they are produced in Cap's body.
Finally, Cap's shield could not be harmed by BP's anti-metal claws. His shield is an Adamantium/Vibranium composite, bonded at the molecular level, through an unknown, lost process. Only a ground zero, thermo-nuclear explosion could break that bond, and even this is only a guess.

Originally posted by Capt.JK
"Don't let the enemy choose the battlefield. Or the time of engagement. Don't let the enemy anticipate the strength or the direction of your attack. Strike without warning. Never allow the enemy to bait you into a trap."

anyway, both of you give good arguements so i cant really say who'd win, but personally i'd go for black panther

an acrobat with cat like powers? um well when he first appeared...in the 60's, he did neutralize the FF...something the entire Avengers cannot do. u keep saying Cap is better at this and that with nothing to back it up. Cap is the pinnacle physical human but so is the Panther...they r both peak human in all categories...although I have seen BP leap higher and with more agiltiy than either Cap or Daredevil...the panther's style also gives him numerous advantages...they have fought more than once...and i think they were both under mind control in the instance u mentioned. Cap gave him everything he had in another encounter and it ended in a stalemate...Panther later revealed he was not trying to be offensive, but just test to see if it was the real Captain America...that convinces me that BP was simply playing with him and if BP wanted to, he could have taken control of the fight.

Originally posted by norrin radd
yes but at least weed is natural, it is on mother nature.

Sure but not the ones that black panther takes. Because if what you said is so, then anybody should be able to take it without falling into a coma.

It is a special kind of weed genetically altered for the kings of Wakanga.

wakanda, not wakanga lol

You have your way and I have mind.

.....okay lol

I see now, I spelled it Wakanga but it is suppose to be Wakanda.

I am pretty sure you first spelled it Wkanda.?? Did you forget the a?

it was just a typo that i fixed

Originally posted by Wynndar
u keep saying Cap is better at this and that with nothing to back it up. Cap is the pinnacle physical human but so is the Panther...they r both peak human in all categories...although I have seen BP leap higher and with more agiltiy than either Cap or Daredevil...the panther's style also gives him numerous advantages...they have fought more than once...and i think they were both under mind control in the instance u mentioned.

How about this for starters:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/blackpanther.htm

And they were not under mind control, but they were simply unsure of why they were fighting. But they did fight and Cap won. And if you look through the Avengers comics from the early 70's on, after BP joined the Avengers as a regular member, you will see that BP was not much more than an acrobat with a couple of minor abilities. He was an Avengers "second-stringer". And I have comics of Cap leaping off of buildings and helicopters, so I'd say they're pretty equal in the jumping and agility departments.

If cap. can jump of buildings and helicopters then his super soldier serum makes him stronger than the black panthers herb.

To jumps of tall building the panthers shoe absorbs the impact. This is what I am basing it on.

Precisely. Cap wears no such equipment. His musculature, bone density and agility, along with his constant training, are what enables him to absorb the impact. He is far more durable than Black Panther. BP falls short of Cap in every department.

Cap wins.

Not all department because panthers sense of smell on par with wolverines but not as good. So you see panther takes this one.

How did panther stalemate cap. when he was supposedly giving it his all?

I would agree with you were it the 1970's Black Panther but the character since then has exponentially grown. His strengths have been reinforced and reinvented allowing the character to go toe to toe with even the most potent adversaries. And viewing him as a " second stringer " is a big mistake on anyones part. The man can declare war on the US and would probably win. Anyway, The CURRENT incarnation of Black Panther is said to be on PAR with Captain America in every aspect save overall endurance and strength. Btw, I've never read that Rogers " trained " Black Panther to be a compotent martial artist. What comic book and which issue did it mention that? Throughout the BP comics I have it always states T'Challa being an accomplished warrior who was savvy in various African Martial arts. Captain America knows African Martial Arts?

I've got a pretty decent collection of Captain America. I'd like to say I'm somewhat up to date on the characters skills and abilities. Can you say the same about Black Panther? Have you ever read a more recent BP comic? I'm just curious.

i think in the black panther relaunch cap and bp fight eachother, in the latest wizard theres a small clip of both of them going head on

I've read a few of the new BP comics, and I have nearly all of Cap's. If you look at back issues of the Avengers, you will find various mentions of Cap training all of the Avengers, both in hand-to-hand and team fighting tactics. Black Panther was a "competent" fighter when his character first came on the scene, but it was his training as an Avenger that made him the fighter he is now. Do you think Cap trained everybody EXCEPT Black Panther? And where pray-tell did you find a reference that puts T'Challa on PAR with Cap?

Every non-Cap fan I've ever talked to makes the same mistakes: Cap's a "boy scout", Cap isn't as agile as (insert their favorite character here), Cap can't fight as well as (insert their favorite character here). These are also usually people who have not read a whole lot about Cap (again, too "boy scoutish", not "gritty" enough). The truth is, according to MARVEL (you've heard of them, I'm sure; they're the ones who created Captain America), Cap is one of the best hand-to-hand combatants in the whole Marvel Universe. He does not knock his opponents down and then apologise and help them back up. He jumps on them and kicks their ass. His abilities are ABSOLUTE peak human capabilities. This includes agility. Nowhere does it say, "Cap has peak human physical abilities, EXCEPT for agility." He is the top rung of the human genome.

No amount of character reinventing is going to change the fact that Black Panther IS NOT going to beat Captain America in a one-on-one battle. Even BP says so.

well, i do think he's an agile character and definitely has one hell of a fighting ability, and i also think he's a boy scout, that doesnt necessarily mean he just helps old ladies across the street and drinks milk all the time, it just puts him more along the lines of cyclops or superman

This is the website of the most popular Black Panther writer to date. He brought out the greatest aspects of the character and reinvented him to be so much more than a " second string " character. It's not a FAN site. This is the ACTUAL page of the writer who wrote Black Panther, Marvel Knights, Captain America & Falcon and The Crew. Christopher J. Priest. And since he's currently writing CAP I'm sure he's got a good idea of both their capabilities. http://phonogram.us/comics/panther/faq.htm

Please give me an issue number in which it's stated that Black Panther was trained in Martial Arts by Captain America. I see NO indication of it in the Avengers comics that I have. Nor the Black Panther comics I have. Not a single reference was made to show that your statement is a fact -- so far.