John Kerry

The President said twice that "75 percent" of al Qaeda leaders have been "brought to justice." But as The Associated Press reported Oct. 1, Bush was referring to the deaths or arrests of 75 percent of bin Laden's network at the time of the September 11 attacks -- not those who are running the terrorist organization today. The AP also reported that the CIA said earlier in the year two-thirds of those leaders are gone; at his acceptance speech in September, Bush increased his count to three-fourths based on unreleased intelligence data.

Furthermore, the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies reported May 25 that the occupation of Iraq has helped al Qaeda recruit more members. The institute quoted "conservative" intelligence estimates as saying that al Qaeda has 18,000 potential operatives and is present in more than 60 countries.

from factcheck.org

and were you going to atleast make a point to that statement or just regurgitate what factcheck.org said?

I mean, yah, I agree with what the site says, and I do feel it should be posted...but did you want to add some of your own insight to that comment?

atleast say "Bush has created more terrorism with his tactics"

But then again, the number of terrorists in the world will always be a guess-timate. It doesn't say anything of their numbers before the Iraqi war...

i thought that it was obvious from the facts that Iraq is bad for the war on terror.

we already know that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and we know that they didn't have WMDs.

All the war in Iraq has done is create more terrorists

Originally posted by Linkalicious
I just want to note that this is the sort of "quoting" that was done by Bush in order to shmear Kerry's views on the war. Which was his basis for the "wrong war, wrong time, wrong place" arguement.

Taking quotes out of context instead of showing the entire quote. It's really weak if you ask me. What were all of Bush's words in that quote?

Bush doesn't even address who "he" is....so who knows if he's even talking about Osama.

nice try though.

now you are just BSing. it was on osama, it is NOT taken out of context. i really dont understand bush supporters. i can see if you dont like kerry, but bush supporters seem to think he just pisses rainbows and craps sunshine.

the quote was on osama bin laden
face the truth

Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

>>>So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

nice try? please...

forgot to finish it:

Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

I hope bush wins

...............................................................BECAUSE!?!?!?!??

I dont know, i just do. Kerry's gonna raise taxes is 1

Are you rich? Is that why you fear Kerry's tax policy?

Y'know, I always shudder when I come across a LotR fan who favors Bush...

Originally posted by PVS
Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

>>>So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

nice try? please...

Thanks...you just proved my point exactly.

When taken out of context and through your original arguement, you give off the message that Bush didn't care about Osama because he wasn't important. But by quoting the ENTIRE paragraph we see that he isn't paying important attention to Osama Bin Laden because he has MORE IMPORTANT isssues to care about. Like preparing for the war in Iraq, which was at the time, a nation that supposedly possessed weapons of mass destruction.

As I said...it was EXACTLY the same sort of tactics Bush used against Kerry when he quoted Kerry saying "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time." When you read the full quote, and not just part of it...you see that Kerry isn't against the war in Iraq, he was just against Bush's decision to enter Iraq without a broad coalition to back it up.

again....Nice. Try.

bush made it clear that osama was no longer a priority to him.
the man who murdered 3000 was no longer a priority.
and you're fine with this?

after 911 all people had to hold on to was the suposed fact that
he would be brought to justice. after all his tough cowboy talk of
'dead or alive' and 'smoke him out' he just turned around and said forget it, and you think thats just fine?

as i said, bush supporters think he justs pisses rainbows and shits sunshine.

btw this isnt a 'tactic' i use to win this little debate.
i hate bush, i think he's a lying bastard, i think he exploited americans
in a time of crisis to follow through with his ready made agenda,
and *FACT* he turned our troops away when we had bin laden cornered.

do you really believe in what you preach or are you just trying to prove me wrong?

Bin Laden is basically where we left Iraq in the early 90s. He's crippled. He knows not to go poking his head out into any civilized society because he's a wanted man. I DO think that we should have focused on capturing him before ever venturing into Iraq. Hell, i'll even say that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place....especially not without a larger coalition. But the truth of the matter is, I hate Saddam Hussein and his oppressive ways, I'm glad he's no longer in power, and this is why I'm not crying over the results of the war. I'm glad he's gone.

In March 2002, when that quote was made. The United States was more concerned with the so called "axis of evil." Iraq with WMD, Iran just being dirty old Iran, and Korea developing Nuclear Weapons. I feel all 3 of those were reason enough to put Osama Bin Laden in the back seat. AT THE TIME.

Of course, none of those panned out, but hind sight is 20/20. Personally, North Korea testing long range rockets capable of hitting the west coast, and then re-activating a nuclear plant capable of producing weapons grade plutonium is a far greater threat than Osama Bin Laden has ever been to the U.S.

9/11 could have easily been averted if the people working as baggage screeners at the airports didn't allow the terrorists to bring box cutters on the plane. They don't get on the plane, no 9/11...no worries about Osama or Al Queda (well anymore than there were at the time atleast)

*FACT* he turned our troops away when we had bin laden cornered.

that's a fact you won't be able to prove. it's a "fact" John Edwards brought up in the debate that was shot down. Bin Laden was ALLEGEDLY cornered, SOMEWHERE in the mountains. Far from knowing his precise location...I take it you watched Michael Moore's movie...😉

unless you have some sort of verifiable proof for that claim. I'm inclined to shoot it down as well..

As of right now, I'm voting for Kerry, unless Bush can show some sort of leadership qualities in the next two debates...my vote is already sealed. So lets not go there with the rainbow pi.ss and candy turds

YES, i most certainly do believe what I "preach." I don't defend Bush when you made your claim that he lied to the country, because I feel he did. I feel Bush isn't doing an adequate enough job keeping the peace in Iraq. I also feel Bush was not thorough enough in his attempt to capture Osama Bin Laden.

What I do have a problem with is people quoting crap from spam emails, un-reliable sources, and just blatant "beliefs" they may have about Bush's intentions. I most certainly have a problem with anyone who believes the Bush's intentions are world domination, or even the imperialization of Iraq.

Pardon the analogy but I feel that the US is trying to fill the four big pockets in Iraq's proverbial "jeans" while dipping into that 5th pocket on your right hip. A little "we scratch your back, you scratch ours"

Bin Laden is basically where we left Iraq in the early 90s. He's crippled. He knows not to go poking his head out into any civilized society because he's a wanted man. I DO think that we should have focused on capturing him before ever venturing into Iraq. Hell, i'll even say that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place....especially not without a larger coalition. But the truth of the matter is, I hate Saddam Hussein and his oppressive ways, I'm glad he's no longer in power, and this is why I'm not crying over the results of the war. I'm glad he's gone.

well he got his cronies to go into Madrid and do some mischief.

Originally posted by WindDancer
If Kerry loses this election is because he is a total dumbass! So many Anti-Bush and Bush-haters out there. That I'm pretty sure out number the Pro-Bush ppl. Mark my words if Kerry loses this election is because he didn't took advantage of all these Bush-hating going around. So, is easy for the guy to win. No excuse if he loses the election.

I stand by my words. Kerry's 15 mins are gone.

Actly you are wrong about that.If there was so many bush hates out there bush would not be president would he?And he is.You saw the map right?All red only a couple blue.
And this was the people's choice.So clearly we outnumber you bush haters.Since he is going to be president for four more years you might as well get use to it!JM

Well, the guy is done. Time to move on. Anyways, I don't paid attention to the Bush haters. Or any other type of haters out there.

That's the spirt!JM

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Actly you are wrong about that.If there was so many bush hates out there bush would not be president would he?And he is.You saw the map right?All red only a couple blue.
And this was the people's choice.So clearly we outnumber you bush haters.Since he is going to be president for four more years you might as well get use to it!JM

You have no idea how wrong you are. First of all, many of those red states voted nearly 50% blue. Second of all, not everyone in the United States votes, meaning that the raw numbers of dems/reps is not determined by turnout.

I'm sorry to tell you that studies show time and again that democrats widely outnumber Republicans. Republicans just vote in greater numbers these days. Statistically, democrats gather especially in "population centers," where you might find more of us in one city than you would find republicans in an entire state.

Please make an effort to use real statistics instead of spewing egotistical falsehoods.