I think time and again I've proved that T'Challa is superior to Bruce in just about every area mentioned. With so many advantages on his side I don't really see how Batman could triumph unless the writer decided that he wanted some quirky occurrence to allow Batman to suddenly attain super " strength, speed and agility " to overtake Black Panther. Batman's been buried. If Bane broke his back then T'Challa would MURDER him.
check and mate
Time and time again I have also proved other wise. No one here is refusing that panther's senses are not superior to the batman but he is considered to be near human perfection, even closer to captain america than T'challa. There are others who consider both batman and the captain to be same.
If you are considering bane then you should have T'challa to release all of batman's rogue's gallery before he attacks batman. To even have a chance of winning. And I just recently discovered that bane was the one who created the venom serum despite what they said in the movie. So since as you used the bane excuse you have inadvertently admitted to batman being better than panther.
Contest of Champions? I've read it and Black Panther allows Captain America to win because he suspects there's a deeper motive occuring besides this " contest ". So he allows Rogers to take him down. Cap pretty much apologizes, but the BP tells Cap to use any chance he’ll get to find out what’s really going on. Please read the issue again. So that was never an actual battle between them. Yes, in one of their first battles, Captain America did win but apparently much later on in the AVENGER series BP leads on that he allowed Captain America to defeat him as a means to " spy " on the Avengers and the U.S. In the issue " Dell Rusk " has files that lead to this conclusion. This takes place during The Avengers " Red Zone " I believe. Also in Red Zone, T'Challa beat Red Skull without any use from his gadgets and TORE away Red Skulls jaw with a single punch. ( Avengers #485 ). If he did that to a SUPER SOLDIER, what could he do to Batman? Hm. I wonder.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
check and mateTime and time again I have also proved other wise. No one here is refusing that panther's senses are not superior to the batman but he is considered to be near human perfection, even closer to captain america than T'challa. There are others who consider both batman and the captain to be same.
If you are considering bane then you should have T'challa to release all of batman's rogue's gallery before he attacks batman. To even have a chance of winning. And I just recently discovered that bane was the one who created the venom serum despite what they said in the movie. So since as you used the bane excuse you have inadvertently admitted to batman being better than panther.
Time and again you've provided me with conjecture based on your favoritism of Batman. You mentioned a comic book ( Justice League ) that you apparently never read and stated that Batman often engaged in taking " chemical " baths after his excursions. You also stated that he wears a suit that covers his scent and heartbeat. Which issues is this? I collect Batman comics and I've yet to read one I have that has such things occurring. Maybe all of this has been happening in more recent issues? If so please give me which story Arch's in which they occurred. I'd really like to know. That's the only proof that I recognize. I apologize if it seems demanding.
I will give you Bane though. He did take on Batman when the man was at his lowest point. So inadvertantly Batman wasn't at his peak to be able to fend off Bane and got his back broken. That's something no one can dispute. But it was no admission to Batman being " superior ". Black Panther isn't Bane. And nor is he as unprofessional and bolsterous as that assassin. Just about everyone realizes that Batman technologically and physically doesn't stand a chance. He'd have to rely on his wit and second guessing of a foes. But how can you second guess someone who's as every bit your match and more? Check mate? According to the polls you're the one who's in check at the moment. People have been reading our debate and have understood to a degree that though Batman is VERY formidable and one of the BEST DC characters he'd have a very difficult match with the Black Panther. I doubt BP would ruin the Batman's career -- but he would leave a lasting itch on the Dark Knight. Batman would know there was someone out there who's just as cunning and just as resourceful as he is. If not more. He'd have a starring contest with Black Panther and be the one to blink.
Btw, Glich&Merc. You NEVER answered my question directly. Have either of you EVER read a Black Panther comic book to the point where you understand the reasoning and abilities of the character fully? Also which Justice League issues would be the best to start out with. I've seen many at my shop but I'm stumped on which ones would be the best to start reading. Story arc wise. Something more recent would be prefered.
He was dethroned due to politics. Besides you've never read a Black Panther comic -- how would you know? The circumstances of his ousting from his office have more than often been due to political trickery when T'Challa was " away " dealing with other issues that would have a direct effect against Wakanda. Besides he's always retained his office as Chieftain and has always stayed several steps ahead of his foes even after they believed they had the upper hand. I have to say that's a trait that he and Batman are undoubtably EQUALS in. They always stay ahead of the game.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
BP let Cap win cause he knew he was a better man for the job. Quite frankly he had more confidence in Cap than himself as is evident in own remarks. BP is not at the top of the fighting food chain, if he were he would not have been dethroned so easily.
He's not at the top because Marvel disregards him as they do every other character that's a minority. I've yet to see a decent Hispanic character that's alloted to be called " The Chosen One. "