Storm vs Wonder Woman

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Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
This paradox is an insult to the english language. You must be mentally retarded. There is no other excuse for such misused grammar.

Draco:
It seems that we will forever be at odds. Everyone has their preferences; if I am not mistaken, you prefer DC comics. I am not calling you a 'fanboy' or 'biased'; as we all in some way prefer one superhero over another. I resign from this arguement, and I will trade no more personal insults with you, as we both obviously have our own opinions and are unwilling to change. I will allow you to have your beliefs, and I will be allowed mine.

Nice arguing with you.


Hey Ya Einstein i'm from italy understand?I study english, it's not the language of my country, read under the name of the poster before starting to write what's in your brain.That's not a quesiton of own opions but of logic.You cannot put X against Y when X is a powerhouse and Y a poor Thor imitation without superstrenght and the other things.Not to insult Storm, she's an X-Men member, i like them etc, but being realistic, she's something that Diana can beat down with one hand and use the other hand to drink coffee.

stop insulting each other!

didn't you read forum rules?

Regardless of what you believe, at least pay respect to other people's opinion. There is no reason for personal insults. At the very least, keep it to PMs so everyone else doesn't need to see the needless bickering. If this topic had died over the weekend, I would let the subject go, but so far I've only seen references to websites and people just agreeing without justifiying the comic material itself - only going by statistics. At least Draco69 brought on a couple of comic references for Wonder Woman.

Problems with the Fight
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Wonder Woman
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First off, it's apparent when reading her powers that there is inconsistency on how it is being displayed and used. I think that after the Crisis, many people had problems of throwing away 40 years of material, especially with her character who has always been associated with her bracelets.

---Durability---
I noticed there is a discrepancy with her durability in particular where she is not only enhanced by the gods, but she also has [of course] the bracelets and this other mentioning, the forceshield. The bracelet should not be be used if she has a forceshield, but in accordance to Draco's description, she doesn't seem to use it all the time. If my understanding is correct, this might be that as different writers take over the job of Wonder Woman, some acknowledge certain powers over another. We have seen this before with other characters where there's an excuse that there is a latent power, or it's always possible that the writer doesn't know of the current chararacter and modifies it. It's your judge whether the forceshield is fully there or not.

If you believe there is a forceshield, we have to question how durable it is and what are the set limits as it would be illogical to believe that it is flawless. Invisible Woman had damage constraints and mental strain as her reasoning, while a Green Lantern power can tire as it draws from a source - the Green Lantern battery and the Guardian host, and Unus' power did not help him compensate for gravitational situations and viral contraction.

---Speed---
Whether a person is going 300 mph or 1,000,000 mph, there tends to be an acceleration rate as these figures are not instanteous. Only exceptions to this is if the character envelops a form of field as Flash does when he travels, or that they are traveling in a frictionless environment as space. Wonder Woman could very well dive right into an opponent, but realize that it won't be just like that - instant Mach 10 speed.

Storm
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The problem with Storm was that she was created in a team, that therefore will not inherit all the attention as would another who had their own solo line. Be it that she was in a humane group, she was in practically most circumstances constricted to limiting her abilities that may pose a danger to the people around her, including her teammates.

---Ghost Character---
As said before, she was most often constricted by the scenario she was in that didn't allow her to use the fullest of her powers. Often times, she was shown in smaller enclosed places while other times she would be riddled with many anonymous bystanders. As her powers were relatively boundless in the way they can be described or illustrated unlike many of her teammates, she was often left to handle only a few adversaries and forgotten for the next X number of pages. Sometimes when a large group who she could probably inflict heavily upon showed up, they either ignored her character completely (i.e. first encounter of Imperial Guard, they never even showed her participation), or cancelled her such as taking her powers away earlier (i.e. Avengers vs. X-Men, she was only human) or temporarily killed off (i.e. she was taken out of the pictures when the Reavers showed up). Sometimes, even when single adversary was shown, they conveniently took her out of the picture as Sauron did when he approached her from behind to drain her powers while she was relaxing leisurely.

For such reasons, her powers tend to seem relatively reduced to many people.

---Damage Level---
Unfortunately, she hardly ever uses the full extent of her powers, so it's difficult to evaluate her limits. She often uses her offensive powers at very reduced limits as she does not wish to kill. People have been heard to survive a lightning attack, but there are many different strength levels of lightning attacks as well as the size of them. She has been illustrated to create ones that would be more in resemblance of a static electricity shot, while others close to the width size of a smaller office building.

There is a substantial difference to hurricanes and a tornado. Hurricanes cover a larger area, but tornado are concentrated and therefore more damaging to the area it focuses. When she has showed the use of the power, it was often to use as a transportation means for her and her teammates, while other times just to shift a combatant away, but not destroy. Tornadoes are not as often used, but hurricanes have only been shown to be ineffective when a personal is defined as immovable (i.e. Juggernaut), or they do not follow the physical bounds of law to permit them to follow a different reasoning (i.e. Proteus at being pure energy).

---Flight, Reaction Time---
Storm isn't the fastest flyer, but the best classification is she is a dedicated flyer, and therefore extremely skilled at flying. Being a slower flyer hasn't necessarily been a hinderance for in many other fights, she has shown to use many tricks to be evasive. Reaction time is fickle, as in a fight, her attention is already devoted to her adversary and this should not be a problem, as she faced many opponents with extremely fast speeds before. She has often fallen prey when she was attacked unexpectedly (i.e. flying brood who attacked her after she rescued a damaged plane), but has not always been taken down at just purely fast opponents.

My main concern in a fast flying opponent is not just speed, but flight manueverability. We have seen countless times in comics where a fast speeder might actually overshoot/miss their target of an opponent who is much slower (i.e. Stinger evading and hitting a rushing Superboy). Other cases is mind reaction faster than overall speed, such as Gladiator being taken down by dubious clone Professor X who was only a few feet away. In a fight, Storm would be already aware of the intention of an attack and she doesn't need mental telepathy to know that.

Also on the side note, Thanos did not have enhanced foresight in the first offensive of Infinity Gauntlet, as his purpose to Death was to prove that he can win without the awareness, he became susceptible to sudden attacks such as Wolverine, or of course, Silver Surfer's surprise attack. He only regained his godly insight after his realization of his nearly fatal mistake.

Wonder Woman vs. Thor, Hulk, Juggernaut, Superman to Storm
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Two keys that they all have is a strong durability and super strength. This will therefore classify how they would be shown if they ever fight. Storm, however uses her storm conjuring in a fight like this and therefore wouldn't resort to physical fights against a heavyweight, unless it all comes down to that.

The difference to some of these other adversaries are this:

Thor has his Mjolnir that gives him a great advantage. This hammer has implanted with it many powers both in close and long distant ranges from teleportation, storm attacks, etc. And also, he's a true god.

Juggernaut has proven to be extremely durable and has only consistently be taken down through mental attacks - a thing that Storm cannot do.

Superman is not overall better in most categories such as strength and speed to Wonder Woman, but also he has x-ray vision to compensate for visual changes as mist and rain, and of course, he has an energy projectile through his eyes.

Hulk is strong, but he can only jump far distances. While in the air, he can be knocked out of course as shown many times, so he's not the best comparison as he lacks the versatility of the others.

Legitimacy outside of comics in an argument
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Comics are created by writers who sometimes change a character. However, bios and statistics correlate with the optimal conditions of all the different variations made by the writer, making them illegitimate sources. The Marvel Universe reference guides are a prime example, while Wizard is an evaluation of opinions and they have shown to be bias. Websites are no different.

The Fight
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I favor Storm in this fight, but never saw an easy win. I hardly ever in most fights see a one sided win. That always lead to bias if you simply ignore all perspectives.Wonder Woman is strong, fast and very durable, but this is not always key against someone like Storm, who's own versatility usually permits characters of other abilities, like projectiles.

Storm's lightning has since the beginning been debated. Other characters may have lightning-like attacks that Wonder Woman
could take, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are in equal terms. Just appearing like it doesn't mean it's the same (i.e. Sith lightning-like attacks are still being debated). Also, Wonder Woman can be classified as magically enhanced and magic vs. magic and magic vs. natural isn't always the same. Magik is a prime example of ineffectiveness on other levels. Also, Storm has hardly ever used this attack to the full extent as she doesn't necessarily want to kill.

Visibility problems has never been made clear for Wonder Woman here. Why shouldn't she have problems with a mist or rain downpour? She doesn't have Superman's x-ray vision. Tornados and hurricanes could possibly play a factor. Other than anomalies that are not warm blooded, people with a dedicated forcefield protection, people whose weight correlate with strength, or characters who can stabilize themselves while on the ground, Wonder Woman is in the air and should therefore be effected by these conditions. It was mentioned before that she could survive without oxygen for days, but conditions like Tornadoes change that time length. Example of this would be Wolverine who during the encounter with Tiger Shark, was underwater for an extremely large time frame (throwing a figure, maybe 20 minutes at least). However, when he was stuck in a air vacuum Speed Demon threw at him, he had problems with just a few seconds and had problems thinking in these conditions.

Freezing capabilities by Storm was to the extent that when she faced a mandroid (they fought with the Avengers even) that it basically collapsed and fell apart. This is far different than an encasement freeze as Omega Red or Captain America encapsulation, or Mr. Frost doing to Hulk as the freeze change is very dramatic.

There are other things possibly she could do, but I'm at a standstill. Regardless, the fight shouldn't be just so simple as a speeding punch by Wonder Woman. Those hardly ever work.

A very valid arguement but regardless of your facts and opinions. The fact is that Wonder Woman would win. Storm's outmatched.

(You should be a defense attorney! 🙂 )

Storm would win. Wonder Woman's outmatched. She'd get fried before she could touch storm.

Your 'fact' is reduced to opinion.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Storm would win. Wonder Woman's outmatched. She'd get fried before she could touch storm.

Your 'fact' is reduced to opinion.


Who's outmatched?You gotta be kidding me.
Wonder Woman has experience, centuries of experience, she has strenght, speed, reaction time, resistance far far above that of Ororo.She's nothing to her, if Rogue can beat Storm, WW can beat the living crap out of her.Only a fanboy can believe that WW can get defeated by Storm.She goes head to head with Mongul, with Thor in the crossover between AVENGERS and JLA, Storm is a low level Thor without the strenght, speed and durability of Diana.

Wonderwoman can beat Storm no matter what darnit.

Is Wonder Woman vulnerable to electricity? Even if she is, one punch from her is enough to put Storm to sleep.

im surprised more storm fans havent posted anyway... ppl keep saying that lighting isnt gonna hurt someone who cna go toe to toe with the hulk etc. well corect if im wrong but hasnt storm *killed* the hulk by overcharging him with lightning and he was momentarily *dead* but she sent lightning to jumpstart his heart and also ppl say that this is practically storm vs superman which is besides the point but storm has control over the amount of sunlight an individual can recieve so she could make sure he got no solar energy but b4 she could even think of that he would have knocked her out at near ligthspeed

WW wins SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO VERY easily.

i don't think it would be easy for either to win. ww actually has to toych her and storm doesn't so long as storm saty out of reach or hidden she has a chance. and yes lightning should affect ww. lightning can be over 1 million degrees due to the plasma so i could imagine it hurting her. it would be tough for either side to win

Originally posted by stormfront13
i don't think it would be easy for either to win. ww actually has to toych her and storm doesn't so long as storm saty out of reach or hidden she has a chance.
Meh, WW can fly much faster than Storm. It wouldn't be too hard to get to her.

Originally posted by life is cruell
ppl say that this is practically storm vs superman which is besides the point but storm has control over the amount of sunlight an individual can recieve so she could make sure he got no solar energy but b4 she could even think of that he would have knocked her out at near ligthspeed
Superman could stay in a tent in my basement covered in sunscreen all day and still beat Storm. It takes longer than that for his stores to run dry.

yes so what if she can fly faster than storm?? she can still keep her distance by hurling cars and part of buildings at her. i'm sure a lightning bolt will cause damage to wonder woman seeing as the cheetahs claws made her bleed when she wasn't even trying.

i'm not saying storm will win and i'm not saying that wonder woman will win. i'm just sayng that people need to realize that it will be hard for either to win

wonder woman! wonder woman! she fights for human rights wearing Satan tights for the good old red white and blue.

Originally posted by stormfront13
yes so what if she can fly faster than storm?? she can still keep her distance by hurling cars and part of buildings at her.
WW will fly through the cars and debris without taking any damage.
i'm sure a lightning bolt will cause damage to wonder woman seeing as the cheetahs claws made her bleed when she wasn't even trying.
Was this in the comic or the cartoon?

Originally posted by stormfront13
i'm not saying storm will win and i'm not saying that wonder woman will win. i'm just sayng that people need to realize that it will be hard for either to win

cop out... wonder woman would destroy storm...

WW would win, even though she's classically corny.