Originally posted by VanguardThat thing about his 90% factoring his speed is BS you know?
Avoid writing essays please. And there is plausible cause for Deathstroke to tag beings with Flash level speed, which justifies his speed feats. This in turn, makes him faster. There is no evidence or factor that suggests that Deadpool should be able to do the same.And when I say plausible cause, I'm referring to his enhanced reflexes working in conjunction with his ability to think faster and predict movements. Deadpool has no such ability to my knowledge. There is no such thing as P.I.S. as it applies to Deathstroke in my opinion.
Originally posted by Vanguard
Avoid writing essays please. And there is plausible cause for Deathstroke to tag beings with Flash level speed, which justifies his speed feats. This in turn, makes him faster. There is no evidence or factor that suggests that Deadpool should be able to do the same.And when I say plausible cause, I'm referring to his enhanced reflexes working in conjunction with his ability to think faster and predict movements. Deadpool has no such ability to my knowledge. There is no such thing as P.I.S. as it applies to Deathstroke in my opinion.
Slade has enhanced reflexes, speed and can predict moves, great for him. Flash can circle the earth 8 times and punch him a thousand times all before Slade starts THINKING about moving his finger. Think Mr. X vs Quicksilver but a lot worse. The fact that we're even discussing this is ridiculous. It should be common knowledge, PIS on the level of Black Panther armbarring Silver Surfer.
Im forced to write essays in responce to some of your statements, but ill try to keep this short:
Slade is a street level character. His speed, strength and reflexes are that of a low level metahuman. Not even on Spider-man level. He's just a level above peak humans like Batman or Nightwing. So is Deadpool. And any examples of them tagging chars who fight faster than light is the purest example of PIS.
Originally posted by SamZEDSlade has enhanced reflexes, speed and can predict moves, great for him. Flash can circle the earth 8 times and punch him a thousand times all before Slade starts THINKING about moving his finger. Think Mr. X vs Quicksilver but a lot worse. The fact that we're even discussing this is ridiculous. It should be common knowledge, PIS on the level of Black Panther armbarring Silver Surfer.
What you do here is ignore the powers of one character whose ability to use that power has not been fully explored or explained. And then apply the powers of another character at it's peak to prove your point. You can't do that.
And arguing with Deadpool fanboys is like trying to make sense of some of his more ridiculous plots, not the deliberate ones, I at least give him credit for that. It's not like I don't take him seriously at all. It's just sometimes.
Originally posted by VanguardSee now, ive been trying to avoid calling you a fanboy despite you arguing that Slade can move faster than light, yet you call me one for trying to talk some sense into you. Im not ignoring anything, I call PIS when I see PIS. And Slade who is normally depicted as a low metahuman tagging someone who can fight faster than light is PIS, the sooner you accept it the better.
What you do here is ignore the powers of one character whose ability to use that power has not been fully explored or explained. And then apply the powers of another character at it's peak to prove your point. You can't do that.And arguing with Deadpool fanboys is like trying to make sense of some of his more ridiculous plots, not the deliberate ones, I at least give him credit for that. It's not like I don't take him seriously at all. It's just sometimes.
And since you started with the name calling im not going to waste any more time. Post feats of Deathstroke that surpass Deadpool's or stop with the nonsense. And please spare me examples of him tagging FTL characters unless you can prove he himself can move FTL. Newsflash, everybody and their grandma do that in comics. Even freaking Rhino tags lightspeed characters, doesn't make him faster than light. Neither is Slade.
Originally posted by SamZED
See now, ive been trying to avoid calling you a fanboy despite you arguing that Slade can move faster than light, yet you call me one for trying to talk some sense into you. Im not ignoring anything, I call PIS when I see PIS. And Slade who is normally depicted as a low metahuman tagging someone who can fight faster than light is PIS, the sooner you accept it the better.And since you started with the name calling im not going to waste any more time. Post feats of Deathstroke that surpass Deadpool's or stop with the nonsense. And please spare me examples of him tagging FTL characters unless you can prove he himself can move FTL. Newsflash, everybody and their grandma do that in comics. Even freaking Rhino tags lightspeed characters, doesn't make him faster than light. Neither is Slade.
Be calm and find your happy place Sam, I'm not trying to argue with you.
Originally posted by VanguardAlright, sorry if I got carried away. I don't mind if you argued with me as long as we go by feats. I actually welcome a discussion. I know of DS's best feats and I believe I can come to an unbiased conclusion by comparing his to DP's best. At the same time id never use say examples of Spider-man beating heralds (and that happens pretty often) to prove he's on their level. Same goes for Deadpool defeating Juggernaut or Hulk. As far as im concerned Slade somehow matching a guy who moves and sees the world at FTL speed falls into the same ballpark.
Be calm and find your happy place Sam, I'm not trying to argue with you.
Originally posted by SamZED
Alright, sorry if I got carried away. I don't mind if you argued with me as long as we go by feats. I actually welcome a discussion. I know of DS's best feats and I believe I can come to an unbiased conclusion by comparing his to DP's best. At the same time id never use say examples of Spider-man beating heralds (and that happens pretty often) to prove he's on their level. Same goes for Deadpool defeating Juggernaut or Hulk. As far as im concerned Slade somehow matching a guy who moves and sees the world at FTL speed falls into the same ballpark.
I don't think you should fall into the trap of thinking Slade has to be as fast as Flash in order to connect with a hit or counter. Slades ability to do this centers around his uncanny timing and his capacity to account for things to happen that have not happened yet.
It's a form of battle precognition. That's one of the things that makes him so difficult to beat that people so often low ball. I mean seriously, you can probably count on your hand the number of times Slade has actually lost a fight.
Originally posted by VanguardThat's the thing, stuff like that happens in comics but it necessarily involves more powerful characters jobbing for the sake of making a weaker character look good. Even if Slade predicts what's about to happen he simply does not have the speed to counter it. And Flash can simply change his strategy in the midle of his attack according to what's Slade's about to do. To him Slade will be moving like a snail. So him getting tagged by an unexpected counterattack means he's acting like a complete idiot or poorly using his powers in that particular instance for the sake of another character, in other word PIS. Just no way around it.
I don't think you should fall into the trap of thinking Slade has to be as fast as Flash in order to connect with a hit or counter. Slades ability to do this centers around his uncanny timing and his capacity to account for things to happen that have not happened yet.It's a form of battle precognition. That's one of the things that makes him so difficult to beat that people so often low ball. I mean seriously, you can probably count on your hand the number of times Slade has actually lost a fight.
Im familliar with Slade's win/loss count. He generally performs much better vs teams than when fighting street level individuals. That's also happens often in books. Teams job. BTW body reading/moves prediction wont work with DP. It was adressed several times in comics.
Originally posted by SamZED👆
That's the thing, stuff like that happens in comics but it necessarily involves more powerful characters jobbing for the sake of making a weaker character look good. Even if Slade predicts what's about to happen he simply does not have the speed to counter it. And Flash can simply change his strategy in the midle of his attack according to what's Slade's about to do. To him Slade will be moving like a snail. So him getting tagged by an unexpected counterattack means he's acting like a complete idiot or poorly using his powers in that particular instance for the sake of another character, in other word PIS. Just no way around it.Im familliar with Slade's win/loss count. He generally performs much better vs teams than when fighting street level individuals. That's also happens often in books. Teams job. BTW body reading/moves prediction wont work with DP. It was adressed several times in comics.
Originally posted by SamZEDWhat I got from that is:
That's the thing, stuff like that happens in comics but it necessarily involves more powerful characters jobbing for the sake of making a weaker character look good. Even if Slade predicts what's about to happen he simply does not have the speed to counter it. And Flash can simply change his strategy in the midle of his attack according to what's Slade's about to do. To him Slade will be moving like a snail. So him getting tagged by an unexpected counterattack means he's acting like a complete idiot or poorly using his powers in that particular instance for the sake of another character, in other word PIS. Just no way around it.Im familliar with Slade's win/loss count. He generally performs much better vs teams than when fighting street level individuals. That's also happens often in books. Teams job. BTW body reading/moves prediction wont work with DP. It was adressed several times in comics.
Also, The whole Slade-street leveler dilemma is a bit over exaggerated if you ask me. I think it may be due to the fact that the most viewed Slade
appearances in recent years are most likely the ones in which he had to job to more popular, albeit less formidable street level opponents.
Originally posted by namorsubbyI never said Slade's low end - legit while his high end - PIS. I believe that Slade wtfpwning Batman while barely paying attention to him is legit. Slade having trouble with Nightwing is a bad showing for him. Consistency is great and all (Spider-man consistently puts up a fight against heralds) but PIS is still PIS. Slade simply does not have the speed to tag a serious Flash. I have no problem when it happens in comics concidering CIS and other factors... but it's one thing to accept it in a comic and a whole different to use that as a legit proof that Slade has the speed to hit faster than light characters and so he's out of Deadpool's league speed-wise. We accept that we might as well argue that everyone who's ever tagged Superman must be a speedster. Heck I avoid using Spider-man hitting Speed Demon as a proof on the forum and Speed Demon is FTS on his best day. See, im not trying to downplay DS, neither am I understimating him.. but lets be reasonable here. Slade is a metahuman/superhuman, he has bullet time reflexes and speed and he's faster than vast majority of peak humans... but that's it. And it is not beyond DP's physical stats who is oftenly understimated because of the joking nature of the character.
What I got from that is:
Slade's high end = PIS ; Slade's low end = legit. Here's where we have to decide which is more important. Consistency....ie Slade has beaten teams and tagged flashes/other with vast superhuman speed several times all throughout his history......or "common sense/logic"......in a comic book.Also, The whole Slade-street leveler dilemma is a bit over exaggerated if you ask me. I think it may be due to the fact that the most viewed Slade
appearances in recent years are most likely the ones in which he had to job to more popular, albeit less formidable street level opponents.
Originally posted by SamZED
I never said Slade's low end - legit while his high end - PIS. I believe that Slade wtfpwning Batman while barely paying attention to him is legit. Slade having trouble with Nightwing is a bad showing for him. Consistency is great and all (Spider-man consistently puts up a fight against heralds) but PIS is still PIS. Slade simply does not have the speed to tag a serious Flash. I have no problem when it happens in comics concidering CIS and other factors... but it's one thing to accept it in a comic and a whole different to use that as a legit proof that Slade has the speed to hit faster than light characters and so he's out of Deadpool's league speed-wise. We accept that we might as well argue that everyone who's ever tagged Superman must be a speedster. Heck I avoid using Spider-man hitting Speed Demon as a proof on the forum and Speed Demon is FTS on his best day. See, im not trying to downplay DS, neither am I understimating him.. but lets be reasonable here. Slade is a metahuman/superhuman, he has bullet time reflexes and speed and he's faster than vast majority of peak humans... but that's it. And it is not beyond DP's physical stats who is oftenly understimated because of the joking nature of the character.
Originally posted by namorsubbyI just dont see how both arguments can make sense at the same time. He's either just above guys like Batman and DD... or he's fast enough to hit Flash which would make him >>>>> guys like Deadpool, Wolverine and even Spider-man. The gap between two theories is too huge. There's a third option however - he's faster than peak humans and his enhanced stats and training as well as Flash's CIS allow him to tag Wally when he's using a small portion of his speed. In that case Slade is still above peak humans but his speed and reflexes aren't on a different level from DP and Wolverine who'd also likely tag Flash under the same circumstances.
I'd say Slade has speed/reflexes beyond any peak human due to the fact that he has meta human speed and is a low meta. Any showing where peak human street levelers are an actual physical threat to Slades person to me are questionable due to his physical attributes like his durability and healing factor, but the fact that it has happened several times throughout his history makes it consistent enough to be relevant in a debate. Same goes for his team busting/superspeedster tagging feats.
Because the second we accept Slade hitting Flash as a legit PISless CISless feat... this discussion is over as it'd mean Slade should roflstomp Deadpool, Wolverine, Cap, DD all at the same time and with his eye closed.