You justice system as a hero

Originally posted by Kontraz
thats not being a vigilante in the least. A vigilante doesnt just do random "punishment" to those who might be in the wrong. They see those who actually break the law, and adminsiter their own justice as they see fit.

See what you have done, is confuse the terms, which was my point in the first place.

Vigilante: One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands. (dictionary.com)

What has happened is that your idea of the word is close to your concept of hero.

Do you see?

There is no mention of a vigilante having to be in the right, it is literally one that believes in self-enforcement.

Originally posted by Gregory
Bring them in alive. Nobody is infalliable, and won't you feel like shit when the "murderer" you killed turns out to be innocent?

And you let the justice system deal with them and they get a unjust trial and get out when they dont deserve life.

Now Id personally kill

murders
rapists
drug dealers
pimps
pedofiles
kidnappers
terrorists

Killing a murderer, how ironic.

No killing. Just brutal violence. Despite Venom fanboyism, i'm of the Spider-mindset.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
See what you have done, is confuse the terms, which was my point in the first place.

Vigilante: One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands. (dictionary.com)

What has happened is that your idea of the word is close to your concept of hero.

Do you see?

There is no mention of a vigilante having to be in the right, it is literally one that believes in self-enforcement.

i think you read the definition wrong that you actually posted.... it says law ENFORCEMENT... not creating laws of his own. a true vigilante judges according to real law, but administers justice on his level.

Originally posted by Kontraz
i think you read the definition wrong that you actually posted.... it says law ENFORCEMENT... not creating laws of his own. a true vigilante judges according to real law, but administers justice on his level.

You are saying a TRUE vigilante though, again that's your value judgment.

I'm making the point that it is possible to be a vigilante for an unjust or incorrect cause.

By definition a vigilante is a lawbreaker.

Originally posted by Kontraz

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
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See what you have done, is confuse the terms, which was my point in the first place.

Vigilante: One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands. (dictionary.com)

What has happened is that your idea of the word is close to your concept of hero.

Do you see?

There is no mention of a vigilante having to be in the right, it is literally one that believes in self-enforcement.

i think you read the definition wrong that you actually posted.... it says law ENFORCEMENT... not creating laws of his own. a true vigilante judges according to real law, but administers justice on his level. [/B][/QUOTE]

Doom is correct in his definition of the term Vigilante. It is someone who takes the law into thier own hand without any auterisation or sanction. That is why almost all heroes are in fact vigilanties. Most people think that the term only applies to those who get really violent with the "bad guys", but it actually applies to anyone who takes the law into thier hands without any form of lawful backing. Anyone who decides to one day put on a costume and go out and catch some criminals becomes a vigilante.

Originally posted by Lenord
Doom is correct in his definition of the term Vigilante. It is someone who takes the law into thier own hand without any auterisation or sanction.

Is Batman a vigilante? Everybody calls him that, of course, but every time the police light up the signal, aren't they effectively authorizing him to intervene in whatever case they're working in?

Originally posted by Gregory
Is Batman a vigilante? Everybody calls him that, of course, but every time the police light up the signal, aren't they effectively authorizing him to intervene in whatever case they're working in?

A mere technicality!

Ok, yeah, you're right. 😮 😮

i wasnt saying that a vigilante had to be violent. I was saying that a vigilante has to "crack down" on guys who break already existing laws, which is exactly what the definition he printed said...

Originally posted by Kontraz
i wasnt saying that a vigilante had to be violent. I was saying that a vigilante has to "crack down" on guys who break already existing laws, which is exactly what the definition he printed said...

It doesn't actually say existing laws, it speaks of a state of affairs in which a subject, ie the vigilante, believes they are enforcing law without sanction. I'm sure you don't have to go out and study the laws of the land before you technically qualify as a vigilante.

Anyway, isn't it more interesting to defend these actions rather than quibble over the word meaning.

Originally posted by Gregory
Is Batman a vigilante? Everybody calls him that, of course, but every time the police light up the signal, aren't they effectively authorizing him to intervene in whatever case they're working in?

He beats/threatens people for information, breaks and enters other peoples places without a warrent, and generally does whatever he thinks is nessassery to get his job done... He is most defenatly a vigilante.

Vigilanties work within thier own sets of rules and don't follow the law when it comes to accomplishing thier tasks (hence they work outside the law).