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I completely disagree with the sentence, stating that "if someone believes in God, then they neccasserily are weak"
you were very absolute on the matter, and it's that part I completely disagreed on... but that's NOT the point
lack of intelligence is not lack of knowledge, and I assure you even people who are not very smart, can have more strong personalities than smart ones
I'll give you an example- most geniouses (i.e. artists) had serious psychological problems and commited suicide
on the contrary, there are people with low IQ that are happy and willing to fight and be strong in difficulties 😊
insecurity is not weakness cause we all have insecurities; would that make us all weak? just that every person "comforts" themselves in a different way
environment- that's pretty obvious. The way you grow up defines your beliefs in a great extent.
(Excuse my english, I tried my best to express my views, but I think sometimes I might have not made sense 😖)
Originally posted by Evy_O
Link:I completely disagree with the sentence, stating that "if someone believes in God, then they neccasserily are weak"
you were very absolute on the matter, and it's that part I completely disagreed on... but that's NOT the point
lack of intelligence is not lack of knowledge, and I assure you even people who are not very smart, can have more strong personalities than smart ones
I'll give you an example- most geniouses (i.e. artists) had serious psychological problems and commited suicide
on the contrary, there are people with low IQ that are happy and willing to fight and be strong in difficulties 😊insecurity is not weakness cause we all have insecurities; would that make us all weak? just that every person "comforts" themselves in a different way
environment- that's pretty obvious. The way you grow up defines your beliefs in a great extent.
(Excuse my english, I tried my best to express my views, but I think sometimes I might have not made sense 😖)
sweetie, you're misquoting me in order to create an arguement...nono
I didn't say that "if someone believes in God, then they neccasserily are weak"
I said that "people rely on God for strength, because they lack the courage to find strength within themselves"
Those my dear, are COMPLETELY different in meaning, thus, THAT is the reason why I said that your cannot "completely disagree" with me.
Especially when your reasoning for disagreeing with me involves
"it's not a matter of weakness, to me it has to do with intelligence, environment, insecurities and yes, weakness too, but you CAN'T generalize like that."
I agree with you on my statement of knowledge vs. intelligence, and I didn't really want to make THAT point, so I'll make this one.
The reason why human beings are the at the top of the food chain is not because they are the strongest or the fastest creatures on Earth. They are on the top of the food chain because they are the smartest creatures on this Earth. In this sense....lack of intelligence, directly relates to lack of strength. (not by a physical means)
Insecurities most definitly ARE weaknesses. They happen to be one of our greatest weaknesses. Just because everyone has them, doesn't mean that they are not weaknesses. Some can deal with their insecurites better than others, and those people are the strongest members of our socieities.
"environment- that's pretty obvious. The way you grow up defines your beliefs in a great extent."
which is precisely why I have something against organized religion. the VAST MAJORITY of religious believers are not believers because they freely chose their religion when they were at an age where they were capable of such an important decision. Instead they get dragged to church by their parents, pick up their religion, and beliefs.....NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
sweetie, you're misquoting me in order to create an arguement...I didn't say that "if someone believes in God, then they neccasserily are weak"
I said that "people rely on God for strength, because they lack the courage to find strength within themselves"
Those my dear, are COMPLETELY different in meaning, thus, THAT is the reason why I said that your cannot "completely disagree" with me.
doh... I most certainly am not trying to create an argument! I don't like them, where did THAT come from now 🙄
I didn't misquote you, I just re-expressed it the way I percieved it myself. Now, if what I understood is not what you said, then you can simply say so, rather than stating that I'm deliberately misquoting you...
The reason why human beings are the at the top of the food chain is not because they are the strongest or the fastest creatures on Earth. The reason why human beings are the at the top of the food chain is not because they are the strongest or the fastest creatures on Earth. They are on the top of the food chain because they are the smartest creatures on this Earth. In this sense....lack of intelligence, directly relates to lack of strength. (not by a physical means)
In this sense....lack of intelligence, directly relates to lack of strength. (not by a physical means)
I agree until the part where you say "They are on the top of the food chain because they are the smartest creatures on this Earth" ... after that, I make no sense. As I said, lack intelligence is most certainly not lack of strength! Strength (the non-physical one) is wether you are capable of coping with life when it gets tuff... and many non-smart people can, whilst other clever ones can't
Insecurities most definitly ARE weaknesses. They happen to be one of our greatest weaknesses. Just because everyone has them, doesn't mean that they are not weaknesses. Some can deal with their insecurites better than others, and those people are the strongest members of our socieities.
we're more or less saying the same thing here, only I said that having insecurities (or, weaknesses, if you prefer) doesn't make you WEAK. That was the original point. So it's another thing fearing death, and another being weak as in not being decisive and a strong character
which is precisely why I have something against organized religion. the VAST MAJORITY of religious believers are not believers because they freely chose their religion when they were at an age where they were capable of such an important decision. Instead they get dragged to church by their parents, pick up their religion, and beliefs.....NO QUESTIONS ASKED
yeah...agreed...but that's not the topic, is it? no matter if they are forced on a specific religion, the said religion comes to be important for them in the end
we're not discussing wether that's good or not, but if it DOES matter for them
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
Well, it takes a much stronger person to be in a room full of NON believers in Christ and yet take the stand as a christian, then to just jump on in and go w/the flow of things cuz everyone else is doing it. it takes Boldness, courage, strength.
Well, it takes a much stronger person to be in a room full of BELIEVERS in Christ and yet take the stand as a non-Christian, than to just jump on in and go with the flow of things 'cos everyone else is doing it. It takes boldness, courage, and strength.
The point I'm trying to make is that your statement is not always true. You act as if Christians are persecuted by everybody, which is absolutely untrue. People of other religions/atheists get just as much shit from Christians. I grew up around Christians, and guess what... I didn't jump on in and go with the flow of things 'cos everyone else was doing it! 😱
first off every religion/ atheist give each other a hard time.. but thats because we are human and we are going to make mistakes.. then there are those ppl who just plain mean.. like my aunt .. she is christian but she does not act like it at all...so you will just have those kind of ppl everywhere .. and not everyone else is becoming christian.. just because you go to church does not make you christian ... its what you belive that makes you christian ... and how you act.. that matters
Actually I find more atheist than anything .. and a lot of my friends are atheist.. so it depends on who you know and where you live
And back to the topic .. I think god does matter .. because it changes the way you think and live
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Well, it takes a much stronger person to be in a room full of BELIEVERS in Christ and yet take the stand as a non-Christian, than to just jump on in and go with the flow of things 'cos everyone else is doing it. It takes boldness, courage, and strength.The point I'm trying to make is that your statement is not always true. You act as if Christians are persecuted by everybody, which is absolutely untrue. People of other religions/atheists get just as much shit from Christians. I grew up around Christians, and guess what... I didn't jump on in and go with the flow of things 'cos everyone else was doing it! 😱
it can happen the same way, but you were there at church it sounded like, right? or wrong? How often is there, other than church, more christians in one place than non believers?? School, work, most places there is more nonbelievers than there is christians. Yes it does take courage, strength, to take that stand, YOU have to know WHO you are, that you are a CHILD of the living God and take that stand w/boldness.
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
it can happen the same way, but you were there at church it sounded like, right? or wrong? How often is there, other than church, more christians in one place than non believers?? School, work, most places there is more nonbelievers than there is christians. Yes it does take courage, strength, to take that stand, YOU have to know WHO you are, that you are a CHILD of the living God and take that stand w/boldness.
very true. Just the words i wanted but couldnt find 😛
I've been in PLENTY of places where there were (or at least seemed to be) more Christians than people of other belief systems. The Christian kids always seem to stand out in my life, and furthermore, are nearly always holier-than-thou assholes. So having a lot of Buddhist beliefs, I find it takes a lot of strength not to just jump on the bandwagon with the rest of them. Just as much as it does for you the other way around.
When you're the ONLY ONE thats a christain, it does take courage and strength, boldness and faith to take the stand alone!!why? I took had the opposite stand in Arkansas and there I was outnumbered big time by chrisitians, dont consider my stand to be brave nor bold though. As I said it aint the dark ages where you more or less was forced into one way of believing. Its a free world and if christians feel themself to be brave to take a chrisitan stand were they might be alone with that view then they are paranoid