Does God Matter? · Philosophy Forum

finti Senior Member

Unless you make some effort to disprove God, then it's unfair to say he doesn't exist

unless you prove him it is unfair to say he exist.

It aint up to me to disprove god, how can I disprove a being I dont belive exist

You're in a minority

at least we are a growing bunch

Take Santa Claus. I can pull away his beard and see his face. Unless you can do that with God, then you have no basis.

Yes but at least you see this Santa in order to do so

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

Originally posted by finti
unless you prove him it is unfair to say he exist.
It aint up to me to disprove god, how can I disprove a being I dont belive exist

You can find a logical contradiction in the belief system, prove that he's evil, if he exists, or anything like that. If you want proof that God exists, there're books that can give you material. I'd say it's fair to believe in Nessie if nobody can give me evidence against. It's easy to give evidence against for Nessie, but obviously not for Christianity.

Originally posted by finti

at least we are a growing bunch

Beside the point. We have more scholars who believe in God. You have less. Ergo, the mental weight, searching for proof, lies with us.

Originally posted by finti

Yes but at least you see this Santa in order to do so

Still a worthless fact. People rarely believe in Elves, despite the fact that you cannot see them.

finti Senior Member

Beside the point. We have more scholars who believe in God. You have less. Ergo, the mental weight, searching for proof, lies with us

yet they dont get anywhere

Still a worthless fact. People rarely believe in Elves, despite the fact that you cannot see them.

not more worthless than that lame ass comparison you made between god and Santa.

And I find it just as beliveable that elves exist so that of a god

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

Originally posted by finti
yet they dont get anywhere
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Yet they do, but you haven't read any of their books

Originally posted by finti
[B] not more worthless than that lame ass comparison you made between god and Santa.
And I find it just as beliveable that elves exist so that of a god

I compared them in the way, that they weren't alike. There's evidence for God, but not Santa. Nor for Elves.

finti Senior Member

Yet they do, but you haven't read any of their books

because they aint worth reading

I compared them in the way, that they weren't alike. There's evidence for God, but not Santa. Nor for Elves.

there is no evidence for god, just because that a bunch of people happen to believe in him, aint proof at all.

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

Originally posted by finti
because they aint worth reading

How do you know this? Going on the assumtion that you haven't tried to find evidence on the other side.

Originally posted by finti
there is no evidence for god, just because that a bunch of people happen to believe in him, aint proof at all.

Try those books. You can suggest some to me as well.

finti Senior Member

Going on the assumtion that you haven't tried to find evidence on the other side.

actually I have always been fascinated with the does god exist or not thingie, fact is that I have never come across any good arguments that support that there is a god, never. chrisitanity has been pushed down our throats here in Norway so we aint actually novices when it comes to debates like this. After all both my parents were christians but they let it be my choice when I was old enough to make that choice to choose whether to share their faith or to believe something else
And I happen to be living in the midst of the bible belt both here in Norway and the USA. I hear all the time people trying to convince and prove gods existence, and it actually aint worth the time because there is no one on this planet that are able to do so.

Fiery Eyes Senior Member

Originally posted by Ytaker
I'm surprised you didn't pick on my crappy democrat/presdient example. I was really out. But back to your words
It's not a kiss up, it's telling the truth. In the bible there's a Pharisee (nothing good is ever thought of them) who says "Thank you, God, that I am not a sinner like everyone else, especially like that tax collector over there! For I never cheat, I don't sin, I don't commit adultery, I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income." . Then the tax collector, without even lifting his eyes says "'O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.". It's quite obvious who's being a better follower; the Pharisee regards himself as perfect, whilst the Tax collector is humble.
The pharisee's "Goodness" advantage over the tax collector doesn't matter to God. There are two things you have to do to be a Christian; believe in God, and say sorry. Other things follow from those two, but those are the basics. C.S. Lewis gives a good example; there are two people, the loveable old lady, who isn't a Christian, and the moaning old man who is a Christian. The lady has always been nice, and hasn't changed a bit, but the old man was once a very bad man. Your upbringing and DNA affects your basic status, and you cannot be fairly blaimed for that. It's what happens after that counts.

Great example! Ytaker

finti quote:
God also knows your intentions, if you really are sorry or if you're just saying it to try to cover yourself. He knows your heart.
an atheist heart and intension could be much purer and less sinful of that of a christianyet god chose that kiss up. That makes your god a hypocrite.

less sinful?? A sin is a sin. If you sin you're a sinner, someone may do less sins, but the fact remains you still sinned! A person that ask forgivness w/a pure heart, recieves forgiveness from God.

finti Senior Member

less sinful?? A sin is a sin. If you sin you're a sinner, someone may do less sins, but the fact remains you still sinned! A person that ask forgivness w/a pure heart, recieves forgiveness from God.

and one who is of a few sins but dont ask forgivness is less worth in the eyes of your godthan a repeating sinner that ask for forgivness.
That makes the god hypocritical, but since god is man made it couldnt be avoided

Fiery Eyes Senior Member

Originally posted by finti
and one who is of a few sins but dont ask forgivness is less worth in the eyes of your godthan a repeating sinner that ask for forgivness.
That makes the god hypocritical, but since god is man made it couldnt be avoided

NO one is perfect, people do mess up. God knows if your heart is pure or not, when you ask for forgiveness. David, was known to be a man after Gods own heart. Why?? because he was humble enough when he messed up to admit it, and repent sorrowfull of his sins. He didn't say it to cover himself (cuz God knows YOUR heart).

finti Senior Member

yeah David what a great example, he probably broke more or less all of the commandments what a role model and from his house this god chose his "son" to save toe world for sin. What a soapbox opera.

Well I have nothing to ask forgivness for espesially to an imaginary god

Fiery Eyes Senior Member

Originally posted by finti
yeah David what a great example, he probably broke more or less all of the commandments what a role model and from his house this god chose his "son" to save toe world for sin. What a soapbox opera.
Well I have nothing to ask forgivness for espesially to an imaginary god

That is why i used David as an example, he did break alot of the rules, but he knew who is redeemer was, he knew How to be humble enough, even though he was KING and repent of his wrong doings. Not acknowledging God as your Lord and savior is a sin in Gods eyes.

finti Senior Member

Not acknowledging God as your Lord and savior is a sin in Gods eyes.

to bad for your god, cause to me their aint no god thus no sin on my part either

Fiery Eyes Senior Member

which is your opinion.

finti Senior Member

no more than an opinion, I am certain of it

Fiery Eyes Senior Member

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BackFire Blood. It's nature's lube

The obvious answer to this question is

-God matters to some people, the ones who believe in him.

-God doesn't matter to other people, who don't believe in him.

Fiery Eyes Senior Member

true

carnival_junkie God

Originally posted by BackFire
The obvious answer to this question is
-God matters to some people, the ones who believe in him.
-God doesn't matter to other people, who don't believe in him.

a-fu.cking-men.
[heh, oh the irony.]

Yeah, I'm an Atheist... I have studied many religions and have found not one that actually makes any LOGICAL sense...
Many have great ideas... but they just dont seem possible to me.
I am happy with the lifestyle I have chosen.
Raised a catholic and going to a christian school, I felt emptier when I "believed" then I do now.
I have made my choice and all the arguments in the world could not sway me.

Adam_PoE Senior Member

The existence of God is largely irrelevant. A good person is still a good person whether or not God exists. If he is not, then he is not really a good person to begin with as he is doing the right things for all the wrong reasons.