Well, although I'm not decided on this fight, I would figure this would go by the Boba Fett in the comics, not the movies. After all, this IS a comic book versus forum right? Yeah, I know it was mostly marketing, but what isn't these days? I won't Venom would lose, but I won't say Boba would either. Like Evangel said, physical superiority isn't the most important factor in this fight, a big one no doubt, but not the most important.
ok....Boba Fett is like 60-70 now in the Star Wars universe. He can still take on a whole army of an alien race called the Yuuzhong Vong. Yuuzhong Vong can kill Jedi. They're stronger than humans and they're way better protected than any other race due to their weapons, which are living snakes which can morph into swords or spears and armor that can resist a lightsaber cut. If Boba Fett can take on an entire boarding party of these guys, then he can certainly take on Venom. That's with Boba Fett at age 60-70 too.
Thirst
ok....Boba Fett is like 60-70 now in the Star Wars universe. He can still take on a whole army of an alien race called the Yuuzhong Vong. Yuuzhong Vong can kill Jedi. They're stronger than humans and they're way better protected than any other race due to their weapons, which are living snakes which can morph into swords or spears and armor that can resist a lightsaber cut. If Boba Fett can take on an entire boarding party of these guys, then he can certainly take on Venom. That's with Boba Fett at age 60-70 too.
How did he kill them? Truman ordered nukes dropped on Hiroshama, thus killing thousands of Japanese - but it doesn't mean he can take on thousands of Japanese in a physical fight.
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Strength is a factor. Someone here even said something as stupid as Boba Fett wrapping chains around Venom's neck and choking him to death. WTF?!? Venom can lift 11 tons, Fett's arms would be ripped if he tried some shit like that! Strength matters. Ripping a telephone pole or hurling cars at Fett would put Fett down.
11 tons = 22,000 pounds. Fett cracks rocks means shit diddly. Just cause he can crack rocks - he's gonna crush V's skull. Juggernaut wacked the guy with a telephone and mashed his face into the ground with it - and Venom was still fine. And Juggy's Class 100. Venom's durable and able to heal from wounds. Fett gets a telephone pole to the face and he's screwed. His jet pack gets busted: HE'S SCREWED!
Brains are factors, but Spidey's strength, speedy, and spidersense were the factors in keeping him alive long enough to come up with something to beat Venom. Spidey can lift about 10 tons and his durability is high as well. If he weren't that strong offensively and defensively, Venom would kill him already. Fett's got brains, but his durability is low. He's fast but not as fast as Venom. He can't even heal himself like the symbiote does. His suit is shit durabilitywise.
Originally posted by Beyonder
[b]Thirstok....Boba Fett is like 60-70 now in the Star Wars universe. He can still take on a whole army of an alien race called the Yuuzhong Vong. Yuuzhong Vong can kill Jedi. They're stronger than humans and they're way better protected than any other race due to their weapons, which are living snakes which can morph into swords or spears and armor that can resist a lightsaber cut. If Boba Fett can take on an entire boarding party of these guys, then he can certainly take on Venom. That's with Boba Fett at age 60-70 too.
How did he kill them? Truman ordered nukes dropped on Hiroshama, thus killing thousands of Japanese - but it doesn't mean he can take on thousands of Japanese in a physical fight.
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he killed him the same way he took out the 2nd most heavily fortified imperial garrison to date... singe handledly with no more than a sawed off carbine and his suit...
and yes, venom is a lot stronger.... and fett is weaker to physical blows... BUT venom is more suseptable to MOST of Fett's attacks (flame thrower, sonic grenades, thermal detonators, pulse rifle, etc.). And Venom is not faster than fett... quicker maybe, but not faster.
and why do people keep bringing up the sarlaac? First of all, yeah, it sucked for Fett, but he lived... and is the only one to ever do so to date (star wars time, obviously)!
what of Venom's "mistakes"? He was run over by a subway, which ended up taking him out for the rest of that issue (dont remember which series, one of the multiple "vs carnage" types.
who?-kid> all of the people you quoted from and you yourself have been judging BF from the grand total of like 15 minutes of Star Wars screen time he has been on!!!! He survived and escaped Sarlacc!!!! If I didn't know who Venom was and appeared in like Spider-Man 4 and he got his butt kicked (because he was the bad guy) and judged him from that, that would be an unfair take at Venom wouldn't it?
Originally posted by ska57
who?-kid> all of the people you quoted from and you yourself have been judging BF from the grand total of like 15 minutes of Star Wars screen time he has been on!!!! He survived and escaped Sarlacc!!!! If I didn't know who Venom was and appeared in like Spider-Man 4 and he got his butt kicked (because he was the bad guy) and judged him from that, that would be an unfair take at Venom wouldn't it?
There are 2 Boba Fetts :
1. The first one is the overrated one. He doesn’t do much in the movies, says only a few lines and falls in the Sarlacc. Not very impressive. I agree he was cool, with his crispy voice and helmet, but he was not impressive.
2. The second one is a cheap rip-off of the first. And before you shout “You dumb ass, he’s the same !”, well duh, I know that. But there are also other things I know : Boba Fett never was meant to be an important character. George Lucas did not have a clue he was going to become so popular. How could he ? After the first trilogy, and after the not so honourable death of our friend Boba Fett, George Lucas – or somebody else, who cares – said : ”Hey, this BF dude is rather popular, don’t you think ? Let’s make him in the comics (and in the books) even more dark, more hardened, more experienced, let’s give some dangerous background, let’s make him the most ruthless and cool bounty hunter of the Star Wars Universe !”.
The difference between the Boba Fett number one and the “new and improved”Boba Fett number two is gigantic. It’s like we’re talking about two different people. The difference is so big it isn’t believable anymore, not even for comics or science fiction movies. Would you appreciate it when, in a comic or a book, R2-D2 suddenly becomes a cool, dark superninja-droid who becomes the ruler of 100 planets ? Of course not.
Boba Fett was not supposed to make it from the desert monster. He only survived because of marketing reasons, and suddenly, he was one of the most dangerous men in the universe ?!
And like it or not, but the first Boba Fett is the one who started it all AND is the most known one. So, according to me, it’s the first one who is the most important. And even when we’re talking about the second one against Venom, Venom still wins. I agree BF number two could make it a bit difficult for Venom, especially when he can prepare himself, but in the end, he bites the dust. I said already in other posts why he goes down.
Originally posted by Thirst
he took down that army using just his armor and his weapons. he faced them face-to-face. Didnt use a nuke =/
thats right, nothing but his weapons and whatever was at the facility that he "borrowed" WHILE killing the people.
and who-kid, you can EASILY say the exact same thing about Venom. Take Venom's first run... he was meant to be defeated at the end... game over, no continues. He wasn't meant to become the "lethal protector", he was meant to be a the exact opposite of spidey, but because of fan demand, they changed his character from a mindless killing machine to one who seeks out to help all others and to fight spidey (and team up with him) on the side.... that's a pretty big change as well. And, we can actually take "venom" a step BEYOND that. Back to the spidey suit. The suit was never MEANT to spawn another character... it was supposed to bring out parker's darker side and then eventually get destroyed. But wait! Good ol' todd had fun with the whole "dark spidey" deal and wanted to make an "evil spidey", but give the title to someone other than parker so the character wouldnt be destroyed in the process.....
so, yeah, fett has 2 major incarnations, one which led to a 2nd (and better) version.... venom has 3.... he started as a suit, nothing more... then they made him evil spidey.... wasnt meant to grow beyond that (just like fett in the movies), then they made him the "lethal protector, his 3rd incarnation, and arguably his best (though currently he is in a "4th" where brock is nothing more than a dead carrier of the suit).
See? It doesnt MATTER how the character became who he is today. Its the fact that the character IS how he is, and that there really isn't too much you can do to just warp it back around and say "well, the comics dont matter... its the movie fett that is the real one". Your case only WORSENS when you take the time to figure out that this IS A COMIC FORUM, WE ARE USING THE COMIC VERSIONS OF ALL CHARS!!!!
As a side note... Boba Fett WAS a much larger role in the original 9-part version of starwars, which Lucas WAS in charge of! So don't go putting words in director/prodcuers' mouths saying that they had no intentions of developing a char any further when you have a very limited amount of information dealing with the subject.
oh... and your "reason" for boba losing can be summarized as this "i live venom... fire cant hurt venom for long... sonics cant hurt venom for long... venom is stronger" lol. You have one advantage... the others are just merely shrugging off the weaknesses that tend to beat him 9/10 !!!! In fact, check out "Venom: Lethal Protector". Venom gets his ass handed to him at various parts, and if it wasn't for the idiots "containing" him rather than killing him, he would be long dead. WHy? Sonics and fire....
Most big characters never start off as planned: Superman didn't start off flying, Batman wasn't the greatest detective and fighter, Punisher wasn't meant to be hero, Hulk wasn't meant to break off into 3 personas, hell, X-Men weren't even meant to be as big as they are, but that's the way things work. When comic or movie companies make characters, and then notice that people happen to like them, they work on them to make them good, and in most cases do a damn good job of it. And Kontraz is right, like I said in my last post, this IS a comic forum, and the person who started is going by the Boba Fett in the comics, whether you like it or not. I'm still staying neutral on this fight, but I'll say that Boba would definitely give Venom hell, whichever way this battle goes.
Originally posted by Kontraz
As a side note... Boba Fett WAS a much larger role in the original 9-part version of starwars, which Lucas WAS in charge of! So don't go putting words in director/prodcuers' mouths saying that they had no intentions of developing a char any further when you have a very limited amount of information dealing with the subject.
First of all, George Lucas did not create the Star Wars Universe by himself. The novel, based upon the film, was written by the well-known Alan Foster, but his name did not appear on the cover of the book. The glory went to George Lucas, the work was for Foster. All Lucas did – story wise – was write the basic story and the screenplay. And Lucas stole (“was inspired by”) from books and films such as Dune, Hidden Fortress, Flash Gordon, King Arthur and Lord of the Rings.
Nobody knew Star Wars would become so popular, and least of all George Lucas himself. It was only meant to be ONE movie, not two or three, or episode IV “A new Hope” or whatever. One. It was made as a standalone. Why do you think Leia and Luke had a crush on each other ? Because George Lucas didn’t have a clue they were brother and sister. Why didn’t Obi recognize R2-D2 ? And because the movies were so successful, he renamed the first one a few years later, and made it seem it was all part of a brilliant masterplan.
You can argue all you want, but these are facts. You’re very naive if you think otherwise.
So, please don’t tell me that Lucas had planned the whole trilogy from the beginning. Or the six movies. Not in the least. And if he didn’t plan the whole trilogy, he certainly didn’t plan Boba Fett to become a major player in the Star Wars universe. You can not argue about this, because if he knew that Boba Fett was to become such a phenomenon, he would have given him much more screentime and not such a stupid death.
But all this arguing is stupid, because the movie Boba Fett and the comic Boba Fett don’t stand a chance against Venom. Too strong, too fast, too mean, too durable... and your precious weakness sonics and fire isn't THAT much of a weakness you make it seem. He's vulnerable, yes, but is not that afraid of it. Do you really think Venom is going to act like a sitting duck once BF grabs his sonic gun ? He dodges, jumps away, uses his web to pull the sonic blaster out of his hands and rips Boba Fett apart. Duration of the fight :7,3 seconds.
Originally posted by Kontraz
and who-kid, you can EASILY say the exact same thing about Venom. Take Venom's first run... he was meant to be defeated at the end... game over, no continues.
So you have to always consider the fact when reading a comic with a new character that he or she can have his or her own series. A movie is another medium.He wasn't meant to become the "lethal protector", he was meant to be a the exact opposite of spidey, but because of fan demand, they changed his character from a mindless killing machine to one who seeks out to help all others and to fight spidey (and team up with him) on the side.... that's a pretty big change as well. And, we can actually take "venom" a step BEYOND that. Back to the spidey suit. The suit was never MEANT to spawn another character... it was supposed to bring out parker's darker side and then eventually get destroyed. But wait! Good ol' todd had fun with the whole "dark spidey" deal and wanted to make an "evil spidey", but give the title to someone other than parker so the character wouldnt be destroyed in the process.....
You forget one little detail : Venoms powers or abilities haven't changed that much. From the beginning he was scary, very strong, had a web, he could transform his suit into ordinary clothes and so on. I know the writers added some more abilities when he became more popular : they gave him some spider-sense and so, but basically, he was the same !!!
Boba Fett wasn't. From a (cool) amateur to one of the most dangerous men in the universe. That is a big change.
who?-kid show me where George Lucas specifically says that he didnt expect to make a trilogy.
and Boba Fett wasnt casted to be an amateur. Why do you think they had him as the man who would capture Han Solo. They brought 5 other bounty hunters on the Executor. Any one of them couldve captured Han Solo but they didnt. Fett did. None of the others had the respect Vader had for Fett.
Who-kid, nowhere in my statement did i say it was all lucas's idea. I said he played a major part in it, and in Lucas's original plan (it is lucas's by LAW, i dont give a shit who really came up with it) it was meant to be a 9-part piece, granting Fett much more action (though he never achieved a "star" role i don't think...)
Originally posted by who?-kidWrong. I agree nobody knew he would become so popular, and I also agree he wasn't meant to be a major villain, but we're talking about comics : EVERYTHING can happen in comics, and when a certain character becomes popular, he suddenly pops up in lots of other titles. That's one of the rules of the comic world.
So you have to always consider the fact when reading a comic with a new character that he or she can have his or her own series. A movie is another medium.
You forget one little detail : Venoms powers or abilities haven't changed that much. From the beginning he was scary, very strong, had a web, he could transform his suit into ordinary clothes and so on. I know the writers added some more abilities when he became more popular : they gave him some spider-sense and so, but basically, he was the same !!!Boba Fett wasn't. From a (cool) amateur to one of the most dangerous men in the universe. [b]That is a big change.
okay... "anything can happen in comics". Really? Did it take you a while to think about that? Well, you forgot that the same applies to movies... especially movie SERIES, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
As for Venom not making any changes power-wise, NEITHER HAS FETT. He got next to NO on screen action, so how can you claim that he never had his comic "abilities" throughout the movie?!? YOU CANT! From comic to comic venom has gotten MUCH stronger (especially in appearance) and his motive has altered drastically. From movie to comics, Fett has gotten more "on screen/page" time... thats about all the change for him.
Venom always has his little Symbiote based Spider Sense. Spiderman's spidersense got blocked out when he had the alien symbiote on, but the symbiote itself can sense things coming from all directions....so it acts LIKE a spidersense.
Venom always had that ability...
and the only STRENGTH addition I can think of would be before he was bonded....and after he was bonded.
and Boba Fett wasnt casted to be an amateur. Why do you think they had him as the man who would capture Han Solo. They brought 5 other bounty hunters on the Executor. Any one of them couldve captured Han Solo but they didnt. Fett did. None of the others had the respect Vader had for Fett.
Oh, and I also don’t recall Fett “capturing” Han Solo. In “The Empire strikes back” they were eating (or something like that) and Darth Vader walked in, and before you know it, they were all under arrest. End of story. I’m sure Boba Fett tracked down a damaged Millenium Falcon, but that’s about it. And when he has a chance to fight, a half blind Solo manages to humiliate him.
who?-kid show me where George Lucas specifically says that he didnt expect to make a trilogy.
The answer is extremely simple : because George Lucas didn’t have a clue sequels and prequels would see the light, that’s why !! It is a very known fact that nobody believed Star Wars was going to be so successful. So why would he bother writing stories for prequels and sequels ? The first movie, Star Wars, didn’t have a cliffhanger ending, the story was told, the rebels had won, and the young farmer boy had saved the princess and the universe. In 1977, before the launch of Star Wars, he held a private screening of the movie, and almost nobody liked it. Some even said it was the worst film in the history of cinema.
But once he realized he hit the jackpot, he made it seem it was all part of a masterplan, and started writing his sequels. I say sequels, not prequels, because he only started to write these a few years before “The Phantom Menace”.
I don't know why you find it hard to accept these known facts. If Boba Fett was intended to play an important part in the nine movies, why was he killed (after a stupid non-convincing fight) in the desert ? Why does he have sooo little screentime ? Why isn't his name even mentioned in "The empire strikes back" ?
Again the same answer : Georgie boy didn't know BF was to become a cult figure, so he didn't care that much. He just let him die. Later he realized BF was indeed very popular, and he tried to sneak in the character in the prequel (Attack of the Clones) to please the fans. And in the comics and novels, suddenly BF survived and came out as one of the most dangerous men alive. But again, no "grand scheme" originally intended for Boba Fett.
I'm done arguing. I've given lots of reasons why BF isn't in the same league as Venom, why he's overrated and why he wasn't originally the man he would become. If you don't believe me, fine.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."-Darth Kid
"'m done arguing. I've given lots of reasons why BF isn't in the same league as Venom, why he's overrated and why he wasn't originally the man he would become. If you don't believe me, fine."
and your reasons were....? "because venom is Kool! Fett wasn't so good in the movie! Venom was changed from his original design, but fett cant be! Venom can crush venom in his hands!"
really, venom had his @$$ HANDED to him Lethal Protector. WHy? Sonics and Fire... Fett's main arsenal? Sonics and Fire....
also the original trilogy was part of the plan... the prequals were not. The "beginins" were very different in the original 9-part series then the load of crap we were handed.
ok...i can guarentee you that you wont find a bigger Star Wars geek than me =/
and on that note, yes, Vader did respect Fett, it is stated in the books that he did. And Fett, if he was an amateur, was the one to track down a damaged Millenium Falcon. why didnt any of the other bounty hunters? you ignored that question. And yes, the Empire did help in capturing Han Solo, but if Vader didnt respect Fett or like him at all then he wouldnt have given Solo to Fett to take to Jabba. He couldve just killed Solo when Luke came so that Luke would turn to the dark side. And since when is it a very known fact that there wasnt supposed to be sequals? To answer all of your questions
Luke-Leia relationship: to make that first connection between Luke and Leia
Obi-Wan-R2-D2: since when did Luke mention R2-D2's name? and do you know how many astromech droids there are in the entire Star Wars universe? Millions, at least.
Star Wars title: Hm...i dont see "Episode V" or "Episode VI" on ESB or ROTJ...they all say Star Wars. And "Episode IV" isnt on A New Hope either.
Vader-Luke: Vader never once saw Luke's face or even had a clue that he was his son. Nobody mentioned to Vader that Luke's last name was Skywalker.
General-Vader: he refers to the thousands of years the Jedi had guarded the Republic, not to the Jedi themselves.
and why do you keep saying that Fett died? Do we physically see his corpse? No. So nobody knows for a fact that he died. And if you watch ROTJ again, you'll notice that Fett's primary target is Luke due to the fact that he's a Jedi. A Jedi killed his father, so he wants to kill Jedi. Simple enough to explain. And while he's aiming for Luke, Solo says "Boba Fett?! Where?!" and turns around and accidentially hits Fett's jetpack. That could happen to anyone who's attention is elsewhere. And none of the bounty hunter's names were mentioned in Empire Strikes Back, but yet they each have their own stories and backgrounds now.
since your done arguing im not gonna say anthing else, but i just wanted to make some points to your arguements.