Why the HELL wern't Reloaded/Revolations nominated for any Oscars?

Originally posted by The One Himself
That applies perfectly to you...It seems to me that u thought I was trashing Matrix (or even AliasNeo post) or something...So you felt the need to counter immediately my post. I ask: Is your mind free?

I speak my mind, and try to look at all sides. I decided to counter because your post about LOTR sucking kept coming up after I would mention it in mine. I defend my remarks - that simple. Never do I mean offense, but I'm just blunt like that. Sorry if you have a problem with that, but I don't see how you attach me to a system when I even argue points for things I don't believe in, though you wouldn't know that if you've not read all my posts or met me in person. Just as an example though, I don't believe in drugs, booze, cigarettes, or religion, but I will argue to my last breath to protect the rights those who want to shoot heroine, like drinking themselves to death or inhaling toxic fumes from a poisonous plant, or warp their minds with an altered sense of historical reality to do just that because I think everyone should be free to make their own choices - the only requirement is that they should be well informed instead of acting like lemmings.

So shortly - I may disagree with you, or you may be offended by me - but if I'd back you up and still openly disagree with you. So I don't care if you hated LOTR or not, that's your opinion, I was just commenting that you should step back from your opinions and acknowledge the artistry and the work put into the movies from a unbiased technical aspect. To, love it or hate it, keep an open mind. That's all.

Originally posted by Metamorphisis
I speak my mind, and try to look at all sides. I decided to counter because your post about LOTR sucking kept coming up after I would mention it in mine. I defend my remarks - that simple. Never do I mean offense, but I'm just blunt like that. Sorry if you have a problem with that, but I don't see how you attach me to a system when I even argue points for things I don't believe in, though you wouldn't know that if you've not read all my posts or met me in person. Just as an example though, I don't believe in drugs, booze, cigarettes, or religion, but I will argue to my last breath to protect the rights those who want to shoot heroine, like drinking themselves to death or inhaling toxic fumes from a poisonous plant, or warp their minds with an altered sense of historical reality to do just that because I think everyone should be free to make their own choices - the only requirement is that they should be well informed instead of acting like lemmings.

So shortly - I may disagree with you, or you may be offended by me - but if I'd back you up and still openly disagree with you. So I don't care if you hated LOTR or not, that's your opinion, I was just commenting that you should step back from your opinions and acknowledge the artistry and the work put into the movies from a unbiased technical aspect. To, love it or hate it, keep an open mind. That's all.

Once again you missed the point... I don't have any problems with your posts feel free to post anything you want. But I don't know why I have the sensation you still reading few sentences instead of my entire message (for unknown reasons I haven't figure that out). Then I just felt the need to explain somethings.

I said:

"Look: I always respected all the opinions and differences (U can ask anyone here) and I just said to Alias give a chance to the LOTR trilogy without any prejudice"

And you put
"So shortly - I may disagree with you, or you may be offended by me - but if I'd back you up and still openly disagree with you."

I said:

"I consider myself a hard matrix fan but I cannot come here and just say: Lord of the Rings is crap..cause it's not! That is the point: Watch the movie to have elements to hate it or like it.

And u put

"I don't care if you hated LOTR or not, that's your opinion, I was just commenting that you should step back from your opinions and acknowledge the artistry and the work put into the movies from a unbiased technical aspect. To, love it or hate it, keep an open mind. That's all."

"I speak my mind, and try to look at all sides. I decided to counter because your post about LOTR sucking kept coming up after I would mention it in mine."

That is a bit contraditory. It suprises me, cause my thoughts are quite clear IMO. BTW I ask you please: if you can't understand, do not distort them.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
i agree, keanu did not deserve an oscar, but Hugo Weaving did...

u wanna fight? 😒

11 Oscars for LotR. And as the commentator said, that was probably for the whole trilogy, although only RotK was nominated. I heard that the W-bros couldn’t decide whether to submit Reloaded or Revolutions and asked for permission to submit both – as it was essentially one entire movie.
Then some disagreements ensued.

The Force> LotR “ricks”? I’m STILL waiting for you to prove Creation to me in the GDF.

Meta/The One> Be civilised!

Is Keanu Reeves a good actor? He’s been accused of not being one, but I’m not so sure.

well i am sure 😛

first off... im back

secondly i love the matrix but reeves did not deserve best actor dont kid urself.. not that some of the nominess did the only thing i was shocked by was the special effects/visual effects stuff and maybe music.. i cant see how matrix cant be involved in those. but oh well its just a silly statue

and oh yea hugo could of been nominated for supporting actor.. hes brilliant

Originally posted by The Omega
11 Oscars for LotR. And as the commentator said, that was probably for the whole trilogy, although only RotK was nominated. I heard that the W-bros couldn’t decide whether to submit Reloaded or Revolutions and asked for permission to submit both – as it was essentially one entire movie.
Then some disagreements ensued.

The Force> LotR “ricks”? I’m STILL waiting for you to prove Creation to me in the GDF.

Meta/The One> Be civilised!

Is Keanu Reeves a good actor? He’s been accused of not being one, but I’m not so sure.

Keanu is a great actor. The reason he takes a bad wrap is because of Bill and Ted (still a great movie) but that's all people think he can play, a stupid surfer. But like Meta pointed out earlier, he has range. I mean he's been a surfer, a serial killer, a chosen one to save the word.

And like someone said in here, yes anyone can say lins such as "Bullshit" "no" and "What if I can't". Well guess what? THOSE ARE HIS LINES! And he delivered them brilliantly. The scene with him and the Oracle in Reloaded, everything he said was filled with self-doubt. And just how would you act if you knew you were supposed to save the entire human race?

Keanu+Hugo=GREATNESS!!!

Isn't this a matter of opinion... thought I really don't know how Oscars work...

Originally posted by Random_Hero777
. And just how would you act if you knew you were supposed to save the entire human race?

I would run around buying Pepsi and kick over coke machine's all the while yelling RATATATATAAAAAAA!!!!! 😉

Originally posted by The One Himself
Once again you missed the point... BTW I ask you please: if you can't understand, do not distort them.

Short and simple, I've read your posts word for word. I wasn't trying to start a fight, just speak my mind. I never said you were attacking my posts, and the implication that I distorted your posts would be distorting mine.

It appears that we're arguing the same thing from opposite positions. And my comments, though I replied to you, they were more for Alias and whomever he replied to when he said

OMG the one person in the world that agrees with me. I still havnt seen the third one. Ive made up my mind. Till the day i die, i will not watch that crap

I admit that when I saw that I made an assumption that you were the one he was replying too and that you were making a matrix pun to support his statements about the LOTR sucking. I just didn't want to go back and reread posts that I read in days already past. My apologies if I mistook what was said.

That doesn't change my opinions, which were posted for anyone with prejudice. An obvious miscommunication has apparently happened from both of our sides, but that aside, I don't feel you were attacking my posts, nor should you feel I was really attacking yours - if you did at all.

But please - I may mix details up, or make assumptions when I'm feeling lazy or working on other things, but don't saggiest I'm not intelligent enough to understand. 😬 I do - I may be distracted by other things, but I'm quite capable. I just don't want to come off conceited, but I have some achievements to show for it...

That said. I'm done with this. Amnesty granted 'cause there's no point in arguing anymore.

I wonder if someone dosent like LOTR, how is argueing with them really going to help? it's really a dead end deal for both side's your not going to convince anyone with a post no matter how well it's made.

btw they wernt that bad, it's not about ((MY FAVORITE TRILOGY IS BETTER THAN YOURS!!!)) both serie's were ground breaking and will be around for quite some time. dont expect Matrix OR Lotr histeria to die off to soon

Originally posted by LarryTheArch
Isn't this a matter of opinion... thought I really don't know how Oscars work...

Nope, Oscar's have nothing to do with opinion. Especially in the technical and writing fields such as Visual Effects, Sound Effects, Musical Score, Best Adapted screenplay from a book, and Best Screen play. They look at how well the writers did in delivering the plot, how they took a novel and adapted it's descriptions to set directions and actor positioning, how the FX crews create the effects, the challenge behind the effects, and how the new technologies will advance the industry, and how well the composers capture the essence of the movie musically, and how technically well written the compositions are. Also studied are theatrical critiques of each actor, the direction and vision of the directors, the talent of the cinematographers, and the art departments..They don't just vote on what movie they liked the best!

An example is:

Best adapted screenplay - When rewriting a novel for adaption to a movie script, the easy part is the dialog. But when it comes to the actual story, the visuals, actor cue's an positioning - that becomes the hard part. You may be reading a book, and lets say it's an old western cowboy story for simplicity, but you're reading this book and as the plot develops you find out a group of savage indians are looming over this small militia fort to attack. The next line may be as simple as "And the indians take the fort." Those six words may be a 15 minute action sequence in the movie. The writers have to compensate for the lack of description in this case to match the story that's being told.

Visual Effects - This becomes a very unique field. New technology is being developed all the time, and the crews behind each movie almost always encounter a unique problem to their movie. The Matrix is a perfect example of this time and time again. Between bullet time sequences in the first one, to new developmental technology that allowed Hugo Weaving to play thousands of the same person. While doubles and triplicates have had their place in the movies it took an entire new technology to realistically portray Hugo's face and mannerisms so accurately on such a large scale. Multiple characters used to be edited into a film by simply filming a scene twice with the actor playing all of his parts separately, and then they would overlap the film (or double expose in some cases) to make a seamless integration, but that was an expensive time consuming task on small scale and virtually impossible on a large scale. They developed new software for the Matrix movies, including advancements on Alienware's Maya 4.5 Unlimited (a several thousand dollar program for CGI animation used to make the sentinels) and a new software to scan in a render the features of Hugo's facial nuances.

All of the other categories are judged similarly by those in their respective fields.

Originally posted by VENOMfan
I wonder if someone dosent like LOTR, how is argueing with them really going to help? it's really a dead end deal for both side's your not going to convince anyone with a post no matter how well it's made.

btw they wernt that bad, it's not about ((MY FAVORITE TRILOGY IS BETTER THAN YOURS!!!)) both serie's were ground breaking and will be around for quite some time. dont expect Matrix OR Lotr histeria to die off to soon

No, it's not about what trilogy is better, and teh hysteria will definately be around for a while!

I wasn't trying to argue the opinion, just simply point out that, even if you dislike the movies (matrix or LOTR), you still have to give credit where credit is do for the work that was put into both the trilogies. Like I said, I absolutely hate the movies "Gone with the Wind" and the God Father trilogy, but I do recognize that they are probably some of the greatest works of their time, and still are.

um, b/c the movies sucked...simple as that. i admit the special effects were pretty awesome, but the the overall plot of the story just brought the movie down so much...i love the first matrix though. the second one was that bad, but the third was horrible.

Originally posted by VENOMfan
I would run around buying Pepsi and kick over coke machine's all the while yelling RATATATATAAAAAAA!!!!! 😉

I would follow you to the end Venom... I'd follow you to the end.

I think most people dislike the Matrix movies because it's too complicated for their simple minds to understand. But like it's been said, it's your opinon, you either love them or you hate them. Personally I think LOTR sucks and Matrix is better and if you disagree then you are wrong!!! But that's just my opinon

LOTR does deserve some credit tho. 2Fast 2Furious, however, does not

yes, some classic's to me are unappealing and most "claim" they love the nostalgia esq' films becuase they make them feel like there mobster's or that just becuase you like gone with the wind or citizen kane you have class. and liking movie's because of that is lame

F&F suck's but anyone can tell that
and we would take that Coke plant DOWN! YE-YEAH!!

To state simply "The Matrix movies sucked." Assumes an opinion as fact. Sorry but that irritates the hell out of me. The plot was and always has been the point of movies - unless you're a mindless sheep who just wants to see fast car chases and explosions. If that's the case go watch Rambo and Fast and the Furious! I'm not going to disrespect plotless action movies because sometimes you just wanna go and not think, but the matrix is what I like to call "A thinking mans Action movie." So if you disliked the movies - I'm sorry, but don't state opinions as fact, and if you didn't like them, then why are you here talking about them? 😛

VENOMfan

I'm with you to...just two steps behind you - all the way. Who'd pass up free sodas? 😆