Is this right?
I go to a catholic high school in a little suburb of Toronto.
So we have an enforced uniform policy in our school.
Dress pants, shirts, kilts, dress shoes, etc..
No hats are to be worn inside between 8:40 and 2:40 too.
Do you think it's right that the school put into the policy that no piercings that are un natural are allowed? I don't mean the plain ears, double holes thing, I'm talking about eyebrow, lip, nose, etc....
Do you agree or disagree with it?
Well...I didt go to Catholic school, but the piercings were still forbiden and i had to wear the uniform 😬
However, when I got to senior year ( A- levels for you English people) I was allowed piercings and i wasnt obligated to a uniform.
At University, again,I can do whatever i like and wear whatever I like...one of my proffessors has piercings too 😛
Im not really sure about it being wrong or right. I like the Uniform bit. I think it makes everyone look the same and the whole '' i have better shoes and better top than you'' thing is eliminated and therefore a big chunk of discrimination of those who cannot afford flashy shoes and clothes.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I like the Uniform bit. I think it makes everyone look the same and the whole '' i have better shoes and better top than you'' thing is eliminated and therefore a big chunk of discrimination of those who cannot afford flashy shoes and clothes.
As someone who was, in fact, extensively picked on because of the way he dressed, I would like to go on record as opposing dress codes. Maybe I'd have been picked on less, but the idea of that fat prick in the principle's office telling me how I could dress absolutely makes my blood boil.
In addition to my clothing, I was picked on for everything from the way I had my hair done to the length of my fingernails (really) to my accent. It seems to me that unless the school completely micromanages every facet of their student's existance, people who are inclined to bully their fellow students will always find excuses to do so, dress code or not.
I am extremely against uniforms in school, I think that it's a huge slap in the face to everyones freedom and right to expression. Schools seem so hung up about doing every possible thing to take away a persons individuality, it's ridiculous. Schools want everyone to walk, talk, eat, drink and act the same.
As George Carlin said - "I remember seeing a video of another group of people that forced dress codes in their society, but I couldn't understand the video because it was in German".
As far as piercings, as long as they aren't distracting other students then there is no reason not to allow them.
Re: Is this right?
Originally posted by silver_tears
I go to a catholic high school in a little suburb of Toronto.So we have an enforced uniform policy in our school.
Dress pants, shirts, kilts, dress shoes, etc..
No hats are to be worn inside between 8:40 and 2:40 too.Do you think it's right that the school put into the policy that no piercings that are un natural are allowed? I don't mean the plain ears, double holes thing, I'm talking about eyebrow, lip, nose, etc....
Do you agree or disagree with it?
thats what my school has, and they dont allow any peirsings exept one in the earlobe, and boys cant wear earings ❌ and i thought that was ok, until they made the guy who sat next to me in science take out his earing, when it was a cross, and we went to a caholic school, that was just alittle weird in my eyes
Originally posted by BackFire
I am extremely against uniforms in school, I think that it's a huge slap in the face to everyones freedom and right to expression. Schools seem so hung up about doing every possible thing to take away a persons individuality, it's ridiculous. Schools want everyone to walk, talk, eat, drink and act the same.As George Carlin said - "I remember seeing a video of another group of people that forced dress codes in their society, but I couldn't understand the video because it was in German".
As far as piercings, as long as they aren't distracting other students then there is no reason not to allow them.
You arent looking at this in the right way BF.
Uniforms arent invented to take away anyones individuality at school, they are invented so that differance in clothing and who can afford what kind of clothes cannot be shown and there is not gonna be a discrimination on that part.
No one will be picked on or discriminated against if he doesnt have the latest shoes or a gucci top! That is actually the reason for the uniforms in most schools.
Lil, you have a point, but at the same time, I've never seen anybody picked on for how they dressed. I used to get bullied all the time, for every tiny little thing I did, but oddly nobody ever said anything about how I dressed. You can take away whatever discrimination there is about dress, but kids will always find something else to pick on each other about.
I think that piercing rule is stupid... If it's not distracting anybody, I don't see what the problem is.
Then the mentallity if flawed. Whether or not the primary purpose is to take away freedom of expression and indiviuality, it still does. People have the right to wear what they want as long as it's tasteful and not distracting.
I still believe that it's purpose is to take away a persons individuality, becuause if a person feels like just another face in the crowd, and not special in any way, they will probably not act up in class and will be easier to deal with. It seems the dress code is around because of some incompetant teachers and faculty members of the schools that inforce these uniform dress codes. They want to take the easy way out when it comes to having order in their school, and they do it by taking away a very fundamental and important freedom that we have in this society.
I also do not believe that having school uniforms will eliminate discrimination, not in the least. People will just find other reasons to pick on people. Clothing and shoes aren't the only reason people get picked on or discriminated against. But just the way they act or look in general. A fat kid who gets picked on will still get picked on with a uniform, because he is still fat. An ugly kid will still get picked on in a uniform because he is still ugly in the uniform, ect.
Exterminating a childs freedom of expression is just a lazy and incorrect way of trying to deter bad behavior. And it does not work. Most of the schools that inforce a uniform are private catholic schools that not just anyone can go to. I believe this is the reason why their are less problems in those school, they aren't public schools.
Clothing and shoes are not the only reason why people are picked on, but its still one of the reasons. Besides, it is not all about being picked on, why dont you try avoided, or feeling out of place and not good enough when a bunch of people have stuff you cannot afford.
Some people dont like people who dress trendy, or goth or punk, and would not give them the time of the day...ever. This way, it is very different.
Freedom of expression does not consist only in clothes.
I can proudly say that my freedom of expression and individuality does not consist of the things i wear, it consist of the things i know, the things i say, the way i few the world, not the way i dress.
I love how you BF, go off and start a long rant about goths and the way they dress, and when someone mentiones their individuality and freedom of expression, you rant on about how its complete bullshit and they look horrible. Yet now, on this very subject you just complitely contradicted yourself....yet again.
I think it's wrong for them not to allow piercings, they can express that if they want. But I think the uniform bit is cool because it gives people one less thing to be picked on about. For some people who are picked on it might not matter much but it does hurt people even to something as drastic as suicide. And you still have your personalities, you still have your individuality.
i went to public schools for 12 years and i dont ever remember a kid getting picked for the type of clothes they wear.....my brother went to a private school for 6 years with uniforms and got picked on than he spent his high school years in public school and still got picked on...people dont get picked on because of there clothes....and with uniforms people who do get pick on are less likely to make any friends because its not like they were goth clothing and can hang out with the kids wearing goth clothing...im not saying my brother was a complete outcast...he had freinds in both schools but theres salways going to be assh*oles no matter where you go...how you dress isnt going to change that
I have never seen anyone picked on because of thier clothing. As it turns out, I went to a public high school, and there were virtually no problems. I never saw anyone picking on anyone. It was also a casual dress code, you could wear what you want. Yet no problems ever arouse. It is soley dependant on the type of kids in your school. If you went down to a bad school and forced everyone to wear uniforms all of a sudden, it would change nothing. The school would still be bad, because it's the students that cause problems, not clothing. On the same note, if you went to a good school, such as your high school, Lil, and took away the uniform policy, you would probably not see any difference. Because it was probably a good school, with good students, and it would be regaurdless of the dress code.
So what if some people don't like how another person dresses? That's life, people are always going to discriminate against other people for what they wear, and it's good to learn this in school so you can learn how to deal with it, rather then having blinders on to the real world during school and then getting out to the real world and realizing that it's not how it was in high school. It's good to start learning that stuff during your childhood, gives you more time to learn how to deal with it.
Of course freedom of expression does not consist only in clothes, but it is a big part. Sure, people like you and me found no reason to express ourselves with our clothing, but many people do. Many people don't know any other way to express themselves other then their clothing or the way they look. So it is taking away their expression. Plus, freedom to dress the way a person wants is still important, and it's still taking that away. Freedom of expression and clothing go hand in hand, especially for teenagers.
You may also be interested in hearing that despite all the times I've made fun of goths, I have NEVER said that they should not be allowed to dress that way if they want to. It's up to them, and just because I don't like it doesn't mean I think think they should have the right to dress that way taken away. That's just poor reading comprehension on your part, no contradiction anywhere.