Is Ghandi in Hell?

Started by Tim Rout42 pages

Originally posted by queeq
Yeah, you have a good point. However, I don't think this is an exclusive trait for religion. I think you can see that in all layers of the population: politics, company policies, famlies... Maybe it has to do with a general sense of identity and a need to belong, fueled by insecurity. That's why may people have some sort of idol, leader what have ya and they follow him without dispute. Because the leader gives them a feel that they belong and he gives them some kind of identity. I mean you do see that in churches a lot, but one sees it in anti-reiligious organisations as well. heck, you even see it on these boards: tehre seems to be a very shapr line between religious sympathisers and non-sympathisers. And each member of the group nods very hard with statements made that fit in his ball park. But also notice that the sharper the line is, the more common group cohesion gets. And the more common group cohesion gets, the more stereotyped the perception of the opposing group gets. And by that time we're pretty close to tribal war.

So I totally support your plea for independent thought. But that doesn't mean the conclusions drawn from idependent thought lead to the same conclusions. In other words, independent thinkers don't have to agree to be considered an independent thinker. But the only way to find out if someone is an idenpendent thinker is to show some interest and not to throw some stereotype at him.

Very insightful. I agree with much of what you shared. To extend your argument just a bit... I would also point out that just because a person is affiliated with a particular viewpoint, does not mean his brain has been placed in a pickle jar. Independent thinkers can make a significant contribution to group collectives.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other spheres of life. But few lead to an irrational confidence in their own opinions, as they're told to them by people they trust to be "in the know" regarding these matters. When you get right down to it, no one knows.

Originally posted by queeq
But that doesn't mean the conclusions drawn from idependent thought lead to the same conclusions. In other words, independent thinkers don't have to agree to be considered an independent thinker.

In fact, I would consider dissent a rational side effect of independant thought. This is something I've rarely seen in these bible "discussions", which really just mean reinforcement of indoctrination.

Originally posted by Devil King
I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other spheres of life. But few lead to an irrational confidence in their own opinions, as they're told to them by people they trust to be "in the know" regarding these matters. When you get right down to it, no one knows.

In fact, I would consider dissent a rational side effect of independant thought. This is something I've rarely seen in these bible "discussions", which really just mean reinforcement of indoctrination.

Perhaps you consider dissent a side effect of rational idependent thought, but there is no logical reason to believe this is so. If a group of independent thinkers ponder a problem and agree on a solution, there solution is not definitively flawed because none of their number disagrees with it. No one is born a Christian. Every Christian must choose for himself whether or not to follow Christ, and you will find our reasons for doing so are widely varied.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
Perhaps you consider dissent a side effect of rational idependent thought, but there is no logical reason to believe this is so. If a group of independent thinkers ponder a problem and agree on a solution, there solution is not definitively flawed because none of their number disagrees with it. No one is born a Christian. Every Christian(this should say "person". DK) must choose for himself whether or not to follow Christ, and you will find our reasons for doing so are widely varied.

HELL

Originally posted by Devil King
HELL

I should have written "person"? I said CHRISTIAN and I meant it! I am not an Arminian. I do not believe God's grace is universally available to all "persons". Every Christian on earth had to choose for himself whether or not to become a follower of Christ.

Neither do I understand your response, "HELL". Were you making a joke?

Originally posted by Tim Rout
Were you making a joke?

Not really, I was laughing at yours.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
I do not believe God's grace is universally available to all "persons".

You make Jesus cry.

Originally posted by Robtard
You make Jesus cry.

Don't say that, there'll be cripples lined up around the block trying to get into this thread.

😂

The Bible wasn't written by God. Its definition of Good could very well fall below God's own.

Originally posted by IdiotGod
The Bible wasn't written by God. Its definition of Good could very well fall below God's own.

God has a definition of Good? 😕

Ghandi being politically against us makes me vote for yes. Muahahahhahaaa!!! But who cares. He would get what he deserves n we are not the 1s who'll decide it.(btw,I'm not a christian)

Originally posted by maham
Ghandi being politically against us makes me vote for yes. Muahahahhahaaa!!! But who cares. He would get what he deserves n we are not the 1s who'll decide it.(btw,I'm not a christian)

That is too bad; you would make a good Christian.😐

Originally posted by maham
Ghandi being politically against us makes me vote for yes. Muahahahhahaaa!!! But who cares. He would get what he deserves n we are not the 1s who'll decide it.(btw,I'm not a christian)
o rly? cause i thought the muslim flag instantly told me u were christian 😄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
God has a definition of Good? 😕
dontcha love how whenever a new member comes on the religion forum theyre first couple of posts dont make shit 4 sense?

Originally posted by chickenlover98
dontcha love how whenever a new member comes on the religion forum theyre first couple of posts dont make shit 4 sense?

Sometimes the number is much higher. 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sometimes the number is much higher. 😆
was that a shot at me?

Originally posted by chickenlover98
was that a shot at me?

😮 Why do you think that? 😆

No ones in Hell. It doesn't exist. It was made up by the Roman Catholic church for the special masses to at least pray them out of purgatory, which is never mentioned in the selected books in the Bible......Gawwwwwwwd, even look up the Popes words during that time period. GEEEEZZ

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😮 Why do you think that? 😆
jelly donuts. nuff said