Is Ghandi in Hell?

Exactly. 🙂

The smell will nearly always be obscurred by the sales strategy.

But since we are talking Beckham brand, then maybe thats a good thing..... 😛

You think they use his sweat to make it? I do. 😉

LOL Yeah they got 'em both running on a giant hamster wheel in the world's first actual sweat shop...

Thats why Posh is all ultra thin.

Its all sweated out. 😛

Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
"Jesus said to him, `I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." - John 14:6

Does this mean Ghandi is in hell? I was told by seminary student that I met in Texas that unless I accept Jesus Christ as my personal saviour I don't go to heaven. I thought about this for a while and began thinking about famous non-Chrisitian and wondering if they were in hell. I asked a priest and got the same basic answer. I thought that if there was a heaven Ghandi must be there and that if he wasn't it was bullshit. That is basically what made me skeptical of Christianity as an early teen. I have since stopped believing in Christianity and any notion of heaven and hell, but I would like to see how the Christians respond to this thread.

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"By the way, I am high. I'm HIGH!!!" - Dave Chappelle 😱

No. There is no biblical hell, there's no where in the universe it would exist.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
No. There is no biblical hell, there's no where in the universe it would exist.

There is a place were hell exists... In the minds of humans. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is a place were hell exists... In the minds of humans. 😉

Yeah, but I meant the literal Biblical Hell as a realm. There's no specific dimensions to this fictional world, it's pretty much depicted as some place beneath the Earth, while Heaven was supposedly in the sky.

Airplanes and satellites pretty much debunked the idea of God living in the sky...so where's Heaven now ?

Some Evangelicals beleive Heaven is another planet....guess we're not going to Jupiter after we die 🙄

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
No. There is no biblical hell, there's no where in the universe it would exist.

Is it possible the biblical hell exists outside this universe?

Originally posted by Tim Rout
Is it possible the biblical hell exists outside this universe?

Why would a place where humans have to go, exist outside the universe ? That's illogical. Besides...Hell is a limitted concept which is no more complicated than any celestial body that actually exists in space.

Why would it exist outside our universe ?

Originally posted by Tim Rout
Is it possible the biblical hell exists outside this universe?

It is also possible that Hell was made up to control people. Heaven and Hell are the ultimate carrot and stick.

Originally posted by Quark_666
As a fellow Christian, I really liked your post up until you got to the part about Children sinning...

If you are a Christian, you should have no trouble accepting that people are born sinners. It is an elemental and necessary part of biblical orthodoxy.

David prayed the following to Yahweh:
"Against you, and you alone, I have sinned. I have done what is evil in your sight, and your judgment against me is just. For I was born a sinner --- yes, from the moment my mother conceived me." [Psalm 51:4-5/NLT]

We might argue over the age at which children are held accountable for their sins, but there is no biblical doubt all humans are born sinners [Romans 3:10-23]. As a Christian, surely you know this.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
If you are a Christian, you should have no trouble accepting that people are born sinners. It is an elemental and necessary part of biblical orthodoxy.

David prayed the following to Yahweh:
"Against you, and you alone, I have sinned. I have done what is evil in your sight, and your judgment against me is just. For I was born a sinner --- yes, from the moment my mother conceived me." [Psalm 51:4-5/NLT]

We might argue over the age at which children are held accountable for their sins, but there is no biblical doubt all humans are born sinners [Romans 3:10-23]. As a Christian, surely you know this.

Well that's between you and other Christians. I'm not going to argue about the mythological mechanics of any religion.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Yeah, but I meant the literal Biblical Hell as a realm. There's no specific dimensions to this fictional world, it's pretty much depicted as some place beneath the Earth, while Heaven was supposedly in the sky.

Airplanes and satellites pretty much debunked the idea of God living in the sky...so where's Heaven now ?

Some Evangelicals beleive Heaven is another planet....guess we're not going to Jupiter after we die 🙄

When you say "some evangelicals believe heaven is another planet", it should be noted that no major evangelical theologians hold this view, and those marginal pew warmers who espouse it need to go back to Sunday School and relearn their Bible. Heaven is the eternal, transcendent abode of God, and thus functions beyond the scope of this created order.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
When you say "some evangelicals believe heaven is another planet", it should be noted that no major evangelical theologians hold this view, and those marginal pew warmers who espouse it need to go back to Sunday School and relearn their Bible. Heaven is the eternal, transcendent abode of God, and thus functions beyond the scope of this created order.

Evangelism is only a small percentage of Christians in the world.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Well that's between you and other Christians. I'm not going to argue about the mythological mechanics of any religion.

You make a good point.

As a professing NON-Christian, you have the freedom to believe and express whatever views you please. But the moment someone identifies himself/herself as a Christian, yet espouses clearly unbiblical beliefs, it is necessary to call that person onto the carpet.

That said, there are many secondary doctrinal issues in the Bible that are open to discussion and debate among believers. Things like the roll of women in church leadership, styles of music in worship, or even the mode of baptism practiced by a congregation, are all important; but none of them determines whether a person gains entrance into heaven.
Their belief in the doctrine of sin most certainly does.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
If you are a Christian, you should have no trouble accepting that people are born sinners. It is an elemental and necessary part of biblical orthodoxy.

Since when did the definition of Christian have anything to do with Bible orthodoxy? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/christian

1. of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.
2. of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country.
3. of or pertaining to Christians: many Christian deaths in the Crusades.
4. exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ; Christlike: She displayed true Christian charity.
5. decent; respectable: They gave him a good Christian burial.
6. human; not brutal; humane: Such behavior isn't Christian.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
When you say "some evangelicals believe heaven is another planet", it should be noted that no major evangelical theologians hold this view, and those marginal pew warmers who espouse it need to go back to Sunday School and relearn their Bible. Heaven is the eternal, transcendent abode of God, and thus functions beyond the scope of this created order.

I refer to this one Evangelical leader who was interviewed by Barbara Walters when she did this whole two hour special on world religions. He claimed that Heaven was another world, like Earth, but without the wild, without pollution, without war. He made it clear that it is literally in outer space somewhere.

That kinda made me laugh lol

Originally posted by Tim Rout
You make a good point.

As a professing NON-Christian, you have the freedom to believe and express whatever views you please. But the moment someone identifies himself/herself as a Christian, yet espouses clearly unbiblical beliefs, it is necessary to call that person onto the carpet.

That said, there are many secondary doctrinal issues in the Bible that are open to discussion and debate among believers. Things like the roll of women in church leadership, styles of music in worship, or even the mode of baptism practiced by a congregation, are all important; but none of them determines whether a person gains entrance into heaven.
Their belief in the doctrine of sin most certainly does.

I have to respectfully disagree with you for a moment.

The Bible has many passages and chapters and commands which can be self contradictory, and there are some Christians who deny the existance of Hell.

I think as long as one takes Jesus Christ as primary role model, then they can declare themselves Christian.

The Bible was written by human beings. That's just fact. Google the "Council of Nicea." So many things were editted and left out. The Bible could possibly be a reflection of Divine Wisdom (like the Hindu Vedas, Gnostic texts, Quran etc.) but simply a culture's intepretation of it.

If the Bible is ever proven without a doubt to be collectively false, what would happen to Christianity ? Would it simply crumble and die away ? Would Christians turn thier backs on Christ ? Why ?

Jesus Christ was an extraordinary human being. There's no reason to fictionalize or romanticise him any further. His teachings are great enough, that Christian and non Christian alike can admire and live by.

I don't have to literally beleive that he was resurrected to make him a part of my life. I don't have to adhere to this mode of black and white thinking, and recognize fiction as fact.

Why does it have to be one way or another ? What is Christianity truly about Tim Rout ? Is it about humans treating other humans with love and respect, or adhering to some fictional tradition ?

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Why would a place where humans have to go, exist outside the universe ? That's illogical. Besides...Hell is a limitted concept which is no more complicated than any celestial body that actually exists in space.

Why would it exist outside our universe ?

Why would you believe it illogical that a transcendent, omnipotent God could create multiple orders of existence -- this universe and beyond -- and that He could easliy translate His creatures (people) from one existence to another?

As for your assertion that hell is a limited concept, I'm sure I don't understand what you mean. The Bible describes hell in various ways: A place of darkness [Matthew 8:12], a place of unending torment [Matthew 25:56], and even a place of burning torment [Luke 16:24]. Interestingly, each of the above descriptions was give by Jesus Himself, whom the Bible claims is God the Son.

Near the end of the New Testament, the Apostle John was given a vision of judgment day and hell. He reported that, from his perspective, hell looked like a large lake of fire [Revelation 20:15].

So then, given these various descriptions -- and there are others -- it seems clear that hell is anything BUT a limited concept, unless by "limited" you mean its dimensions have a fixed perimeter. In which case I have no speculation for you; the Bible is silent as to the actual size of hell.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
Why would you believe it illogical that a transcendent, omnipotent God could create multiple orders of existence -- this universe and beyond -- and that He could easliy translate His creatures (people) from one existence to another?

I don't think it's illogical that an omnipotent being can create various planes of existance. However, as complicated and wondrous as the universe is, hell seems a minimal cheap half-ass place to create, for someone who created something as splended as the universe.

The universe in all its majesty, in reality is far more wondrous and complex than the fictional myth of Hell.

It doesn't make sense to me that a being with a mind capable of manifesting the universe would waste its time creating a place like Hell.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
As for your assertion that hell is a limited concept, I'm sure I don't understand what you mean. The Bible describes hell in various ways: A place of darkness [Matthew 8:12], a place of unending torment [Matthew 25:56], and even a place of burning torment [Luke 16:24]. Interestingly, each of the above descriptions was give by Jesus Himself, whom the Bible claims is God the Son.

Hell is a limitted concept. It was borrowed from Greek and Egyptian mythos. A place filled with fire and darkness. How original. Nothing complex about it. The idea of punishment is a human idea and nothing more. It doesn't exist in nature. It doesn't exist in wildlife.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
Near the end of the New Testament, the Apostle John was given a vision of judgment day and hell. He reported that, from his perspective, hell looked like a large lake of fire [Revelation 20:15].

I don't beleive in it though. I used to. But then I woke up.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
So then, given these various descriptions -- and there are others -- it seems clear that hell is anything BUT a limited concept, unless by "limited" you mean its dimensions have a fixed perimeter. In which case I have no speculation for you; the Bible is silent as to the actual size of hell.

Fire and Darkness. Eternal suffering. Pretty simple idea. Nothing complicated, mysterious, or wondrous about it. The universe is far more complex.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny

If the Bible is ever proven without a doubt to be collectively false, what would happen to Christianity ? Would it simply crumble and die away ? Would Christians turn thier backs on Christ ? Why ?

Why does it have to be one way or another ? What is Christianity truly about Tim Rout ? Is it about humans treating other humans with love and respect, or adhering to some fictional tradition ?

You address some important issues that deserve a careful and thoughtful response. Allow me to touch on two:

Firstly, would I continue to espouse the Christian faith if the Bible were proven to be false? Absolutely not! If the Bible were proven to be a fraud, then the Jesus of the Bible would also be fraudulent. I see no reason to live my life according to the presumed teachings of a fairytale.

Secondly, what is Christianity truly about? Before I respond, let me point out: Your insistence that the Bible is fiction, is at best subjective. In fact, like all conservative evangelical Christians, I believe the Bible teaches historically accurate truth. Consequently, I also believe what the Bible has to say about those who are true disciples of Christ, and those who are merely nominal Christians [Matthew 13:36-43]. For example, the Bible says:

"That if you confess with your mouth 'Jesus is Lord!', and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." [Romans 10:9/NIV]

Elsewhere the Bible affirms that only those who believe in the literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ will be forgiven for their sins [1 Corinthians 15:12-58].

You see, the Bible teaches that Jesus didn't come to make bad people good. He came to make dead people live. Every person is born with sin [Psalm 51:5] and every sin will be punished with death [Romans 6:23]. The Bible equates a sinful spirit with a dead spirit [John 3:3]. True, biblical Christianity isn't about social reform. It's about spiritual rebirth. Those who call themselves Christians but deny the essential truths of the Bible, will find themselves both surprised and disappointed come judgment day; for only these essential truths -- the biblical gospel -- can lead a person into a saving relationship with the Son of God. Even those who seem uncharacteristically religious will find themselves condemned if they have not obeyed God by receiving eternal life from His Son. Here's how Jesus put it:

"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!" [Matthew 7:22-23/NIV]

Those who claim to be Christians, yet disregard essential Christian doctrines, must be immediately and clearly rebuked. Otherwise, those who look on (like yourself) could easily form the mistaken belief that Christianity is merely about treating your neighbor with respect, when it is actually about so much more.